first dual coil build on Magma RDA, need advice

[Kyi]

Ok, so I have an Infinite Magma clone and I haven't really had the chance to put a proper build on it until I got my first mech, so tonight, I made a dual coil build on it, used 29 gauge wire and the resistance read 1.2 ohms in the end. I used organic cotton and stuffed it into the wells, saturated it, and gave it a whirl on my mod. Have to say, I am not that impressed. It probably mostly has to do with my build since I am somewhat inexperienced with making good coils, but it wasn't a terrible coil by any means.

Another thing, I feel like I obviously need to use lower nic juice, the throat hit was killer and since the draw is extremely loose, I feel like I can't really do mouth to lung inhale, I draw too much air too quick so I can't really hold it in my mouth. I tried adjusting to the smaller airholes but it's still kinda airy and of course, the vape is even hotter and I don't like a very hot vape. Also, it does seem to take quite some time for it to heat up, I'm not sure if I'm suppose to hold the button for a moment before inhaling or if there is something else to it.

Ok, now I just put the Magma on my Evic, which I know, has a pretty low amp and watt limit. I adjust it to its 11 watt limit and now I can take a very long lung inhale and get pretty nice vapor and it isn't murdering my throat, BUT this is not the way I usually like to vape, I don't like to do lung inhales and prefer mouth to lung. Soo... should I just stick to higher resistance builds or use less thick wire? Or just make a single coil? Or is there something else I can do to improve this?

I am using Sony VTC5 batteries and the juice inside is Galleta Dulce by Storm Juice, 12mg, 50/50 mix btw.

 

[RugerRob]

I have a magma. I ran parallel wire 28 ga dual coils at .28 ohms on it 5 wraps of parrallel wire basically is like having 10 wraps of single per wire or a total of 20 wraps, amazing flavor. It's a bit warm setup like this and i use the middle size hole on the airflow adjustment ring. The vapor production is very good, it's not a cloud chaser vape but the flavor is like 2 kayfun's on stereoids. Don't give up on it, try building it a bit lower though in ohm and see how it goes. Your above build looks pretty good btw and I'd say you got some skillz!

Personally I would go with 26 or 28 guage and try building it around .6 or .7 and see how you like it there first. Mines doing extemely well at .28 though with the parallel 28 gauge dual coils and some Leias Buns from the Vape Bar... a real flavor vaping treat!

 

[Rule62]

I just got a Magma a few days ago. The one thing about it, I've found, is that the height of the coils above the deck is important. It will affect the vapor production, as well as the harshness of the vape. The closer you get the bottom of the coil to the deck and air hole, the smoother the vape will be. Farther away, and the vape will be hotter, and vapor production will be less. I have my coil very close; maybe the thickness of a razor blade, above the air hole, and it's smooth as silk.

 

[RugerRob]

I just got a Magma a few days ago. The one thing about it, I've found, is that the height of the coils above the deck is important. It will affect the vapor production, as well as the harshness of the vape. The closer you get the bottom of the coil to the deck and air hole, the smoother the vape will be. Farther away, and the vape will be hotter, and vapor production will be less. I have my coil very close; maybe the thickness of a razor blade, above the air hole, and it's smooth as silk.

EXCELLENT! I'm on it. I think I have mine a bit too high, the vapor production is airy and not as dense as I'd like it and after a few vapes off it it heats up quick, will lower the coils based or your advice and see how she goes when I get home this evening!

Oh BTW it looks sick sittin' on top of a stainless panzer...

 

[Kyi]

Ok I tried pushing the coils a little closer to the airhole and it does hit a little better and I can do a semi mouth to lung inhale but the vapor still doesn't seem that dense and still very airy. I have some 28 gauge wire as well so I may take it apart later and try that instead. This is my first time using lower gauge wire and I'm wondering if it has anything to do with it heating up slower? Or maybe I'm just really used to higher resistance builds? My Kayfun Lite has a 1.8 ohm coil and it hits really nice and just the right amount of throat hit for me.

 

[Rule62]

Even with the same resistance, a coil will heat up faster, or ramp up slower, depending on the wire gauge. At a given resistance, thicker wire will ramp up more slowly than thinner wire. It's a matter of preference. Some people like their coil to be 'instant on'. Others prefer their coil to heat up more slowly. That's why just coil resistance is only a part of the story. You have to experiment, to see what you like.

 

[suspectK]

How are you not able to avoid lung hitting with the airflow control? It gets really tight.. and even though it has a 3mm inlet, its outlet is about half the diameter(1.5mm).. the airflow hole in my infinite clones also look like a 90° bend-like you'd see in conduit, opposed to an actual 90°angle you'd get from drilling from two spots.

 

[RugerRob]

I just got a Magma a few days ago. The one thing about it, I've found, is that the height of the coils above the deck is important. It will affect the vapor production, as well as the harshness of the vape. The closer you get the bottom of the coil to the deck and air hole, the smoother the vape will be. Farther away, and the vape will be hotter, and vapor production will be less. I have my coil very close; maybe the thickness of a razor blade, above the air hole, and it's smooth as silk.

PERFECT! Pushed the coils down close to the air holes on the deck, re-wicked and BAM she's a chuckin' vapor and much mo flavor! Great tip! This also works with the Fogger V4

 

[Jdbaker82]

Thanks for the coils closer to airhole tip I wasn't sure how close I wanted mine they are currently sitting at 2-3mm time to lower them suckers down

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[suspectK]

^yeah, it's not a differential pressure tank.. kayfun.

 

[MrPlink]

Hmmm.. maybe thats why my parallel 26g single at .4ohm wasnt working that great as I had it at least 3mm off the air holes (kayfun habit). It didnt wick that well either. Couldnt fire for more than a split second without drying out the wick completely.

Rebuilt with 28g as a parallel single at .7ohm (about the same height off the deck) and it runs amazingly. Great balance of flavor and vape production.
I will play with the height a little bit just to see what happens

 

[trollytrackz]

Kyi if you prefer mouth to lung I'd probably recommend you stick with single coil on this one. Can theoretically cut your airflow down in half that way. Dual coil with those two airholes even on the smallest setting is likely going to be too airy for you

 

[Rule62]

Hmmm.. maybe thats why my parallel 26g single at .4ohm wasnt working that great as I had it at least 3mm off the air holes (kayfun habit). It didnt wick that well either. Couldnt fire for more than a split second without drying out the wick completely.

Rebuilt with 28g as a parallel single at .7ohm (about the same height off the deck) and it runs amazingly. Great balance of flavor and vape production.
I will play with the height a little bit just to see what happens

I don't do Kayfuns much anymore, but when I used to fool around with them, I found the same thing as I suggested earlier with the Magma dripper. The closer I got the coil to the air hole, the better I liked it. I know lots of people build them so that the bottom of the coil is about even with the tops of the screw heads. For me, that's too high. I got better flavor and vapor with the bottom of the coil very close.

 

[KurrptSenate]

my favorite magma build is tiger coils made with 26 gauge, wraped with .8 x .1 gauge flat ribbon.

I would try the smallest air hole (AFC) for mouth to lung

 

[tmel]

Thanks for the tip on coil position....I got one a few days ago too and haven't been very happy with it yet.

 

[Kyi]

Cool I'll take off one of the coils and see how that goes. Too bad, I was hoping to do duals with this one but until my lungs can take it, I'll stick to the single.

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[MrPlink]

I don't do Kayfuns much anymore, but when I used to fool around with them, I found the same thing as I suggested earlier with the Magma dripper. The closer I got the coil to the air hole, the better I liked it. I know lots of people build them so that the bottom of the coil is about even with the tops of the screw heads. For me, that's too high. I got better flavor and vapor with the bottom of the coil very close.

When I first picked up KFs I built the coils pretty low to the deck but got a lot of flooding and leaking issues, but looking back it may have been because my wicking technique sucked.

 

[vampyrex13]

Glad I saw this. I'm using dual 1/16" micro coils at 1.2 Ohms and I had them set too high. The vape was good, but not great. Much better now that it's been lowered.

 

[LA-Vapite]

KYI
Dripping with RDA is almost always going to require a LH.
They were designed with this in mind
You'll get used to it, to a point where you may not like MTL hits as much .
Now you can get a IGO-l that comes with a small hole that will allow MTL, but soon you'll find, or at least I did, that I suck to hard hoping for a LH.

Rule62 has it right with the coil to airhole placement
It will also make a difference on the Coil diameter
I like 3/32

 

[suspectK]

KYI
Dripping with RDA is almost always going to require a LH.
They were designed with this in mind
You'll get used to it, to a point where you may not like MTL hits as much .
Now you can get a IGO-l that comes with a small hole that will allow MTL, but soon you'll find, or at least I did, that I suck to hard hoping for a LH.

Rule62 has it right with the coil to airhole placement
It will also make a difference on the Coil diameter
I like 3/32

WTH is LH?
MTL?

How much does it cost to cross this bridge? is it a bridge? I think I could take you regardless.. I'll build a my own bridge, charge you 20% to operate.

'na mean?