First genesis build, questions for the experts!

[BeerGolfClouds]

I'm approaching my 2-year vapeiversary, and what better way to celebrate than to take on a new challenge! I have a NextGen clone on the way which is about 3 days out, and I have a few questions for those in the know. I have used mesh in RDAs before, so I'm not a total noob...but still, I'm unsure about a few things. FWIW I have and plan on using 325 mesh and 26ga kanthal, and will mainly vape this on a ss nemesis with a hybrid adapter (if the 510 pin is adequate).

Oxidation: Necessary or not? I've seen people debate the merits and downfalls, but it seems like there are folks firmly in both camps. Since my atty will be wicked around the positive post, I'd think oxidation is a must. Am I right?

If I do need to oxidize the mesh, would a good torching get it done or do I need to do multiple juice burns?

Any advice regarding these questions, along with any additional tips and tricks, will be most welcome. Thanks!

 

[93gc40]

You will need to oxidize both the wire and the mesh.. You do not need to torch either as both can be done in the mod when you are dry burning to remove hot spots and shorts.

 

[WattWick]

Oxidation is sort of optional. Or it's something that happens at either this point or that - doesn't matter too much which. It shouldn't matter all too much that your wick is wrapped around the positive pole. The path through the wick is near zero resistance anyway - physical distance of a few millimeters won't make a whole lot of difference. It's a short circuit no matter how we look at it. And that's how we roll. Shorting coils to do our setups. Livin' on the edge and all that

That being said - I juice burn my wicks a couple of times. The rest is done by pulsing. I think getting the right contact between wick and coil is more crucial than initial oxidation. Too tight and you'll pulse hotspots forever. Too loose and you'll get hot coils and/or burnt flavors or undertones.

I imagine you won't have too many issues if you've already used to mesh in drippers.

 

[93gc40]

The Juice burn doe seem wrong to me.. Why would we want to coat our wick in SOOT. ie, doesn't the burned juice, just result in a dirty coil.

 

[Jethead]

I've been doing genesis builds since they pretty much came out.

Everyone has an opinion.

Watch this video and then carefully watch the end. Chain vaping a genesis atty with ZERO dry hits, is it possible?

If you want this performance in your next gen, the video doesn't lie, do it exactly the way he does it and you will get similar results.



I'm my opinion and experience there is no getting around pre oxidation of both wick and wire.

 

[Izan]

I'm approaching my 2-year vapeiversary, and what better way to celebrate than to take on a new challenge! I have a NextGen clone on the way which is about 3 days out, and I have a few questions for those in the know. I have used mesh in RDAs before, so I'm not a total noob...but still, I'm unsure about a few things. FWIW I have and plan on using 325 mesh and 26ga kanthal, and will mainly vape this on a ss nemesis with a hybrid adapter (if the 510 pin is adequate).

Oxidation: Necessary or not? I've seen people debate the merits and downfalls, but it seems like there are folks firmly in both camps. Since my atty will be wicked around the positive post, I'd think oxidation is a must. Am I right?

If I do need to oxidize the mesh, would a good torching get it done or do I need to do multiple juice burns?

Any advice regarding these questions, along with any additional tips and tricks, will be most welcome. Thanks!

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[BeerGolfClouds]

Thanks for the tips! I'm still debating how I'm going to do this...I only have 325 mesh so I can't try the 200/400 setup from the video just yet. I'm thinking I'll just handle it like my mesh drippers. A light torching to the mesh, torch/quench the kanthal a couple times before wrapping, then build and pulse/fiddle with the coil. If I can't get the hot spots out I'll pull the mesh/coil off together and juice burn, then try again. Sound solid?

 

[WattWick]

That's the idea of it. Couldn't help notice how you've already made plans when all else fails: pull the wick and try again

While I don't know exactly what is going on, I think the heating and cooling of the wick is the important part, not how violently it is done. Torching and quenchin may make your wick brittle. Works for some, I know. So probably no big deal.

To "the untrained eye" it may seem like it's the pulsing and hotspot sorting that is the most important part. It sort of is. BUT! How your wick and coil make contact - thus how it's initially installed - is really where the magic happens. Get it right and the pulsing will be easy-ish. That's probably the difficult part. Going from "Stage one - installation" to "Stage two - pulsing" without having the experience to tell if stage one is actually good enough to move on.

I've spent tons of time trying to fix coils I've known to fail in "Stage one". It is pointless

 

[TheOnyxEgg]

What ever works best for you will be the way to go! Super helpful right? haha

I only use genesis attys, and never torch or burn juice on the wick or coil prior to installing them on the atomizer. I always wrap the coil on a drill bit straight off the spool of kanthal, mount it, meter and pulse real quick to make sure everything is connected properly, roll a piece of mesh in to a wick and slide it through the mounted coil. Pulse on a mech to eliminate hotspots until the coil glows evenly, fill with juice and go. (Seen this referred to as the Petar K method if you want to search videos)

This has always worked for me, but others will swear by torching and quenching etc. Try both ways and see what seems easiest!

 

[BeerGolfClouds]

Ok, so I'm checking back in with an update. I got my NextGen clone a few days ago, washed it, and started building. Lightly torched and rolled up my 325, and made a 5/4 wrap 26ga coil. After about 10 minutes of pulsing and fiddling about, I had it glowing nicely. Juiced it up, filled the tank, and vaped on the largest airflow setting. Used it on a SMPL and on an iPV3 so I could mess with the power.

I was underwhelmed to say the least. The airflow was really restricted, the flavor was somewhat weak, and it was gurgling quite a bit. This thing performed way less than I expected, and I was bummed. Set it aside and grabbed my trusty dripper. Much better.

Tonight I decided to give it another try. I yanked the whole build and started over with a fresh wick and dropped to a 4/3 wrap 26ga coil (.42 ohm). And I drilled out the largest airholes to 1/16" each. Took another 10 minutes to get it glowing nice and even.

Holy mother of flavor! And vapor! I'm running it at 30 watts, vaping on ITCVapes Spoon Licker OG max VG, and I'm in cake batter heaven! Opening up the airflow changed everything in my opinion. I hope this isn't just a lucky build lol. I plan on taking it with me on my commute tomorrow, if it keeps performing like this then I happily have a new daily driver genny

 

[snow blind]

^^^ Nope... that's just how well the NG performs. Thing wicks non-stop and wont dry hit while providing super intense flavor. Best Genni i've tried out of the 15 or so i've owned so far.

 

[Thrasher]

I chain vape my geni dry. But it comes down to the optimal setup.

I found 500 is best, 600 worked better but they want a mint for it.

Here's my old friend to show you the easiest setup ever.

Doing it this way for years now usually after the initial tank or 2 hotspots etc disappear completely.