first recoil

[bkkdaytrader]

i just made my first coil--a recoil of cheap ce5 clearizer--just for first time experience--i used kanthal 32--about 4- 5 wraps---was a pain getting it centered but finnally got it correct and it tested at 1.4 ohm on my vtr


put it on my swig with some apple juice and it works nicely--lots of vapor but 0 flavor


actaully i havnot tried this juice but it smells nice so there should be flavor


becasue i am using good quality coil and wick it seems to work much better than the standard setup but---wheres the flavor??


so what went wrong?
there is a faint taste of burning but no juice flavor.


to get more ohms =i need more wraps? different kanthal gauge?

 

[Nosedive4130]

CE4 and CE5 Clearomizers from what I understand will mute flavors. If you had more flavor before on the same clearomizer, then I'm not sure. But yes, more wraps = more resistance. Also Larger diameter wire equals less resistance. Larger wire is a lower gauge number. smaller diameter wire is a higher gauge number.

34gauge is smaller than 32g. 32g is smaller than 30g, and so on. There is a chart around here somewhere that gives the decimal equivalent to each size.

 

[Nosedive4130]

Ah, here you go.

All about Resistance Wire.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/rebuildable-atomizer-systems/320042-resistance-wire-kanthal-nichrome.html

The chart I was referring to is the link called Spreadsheet Calculations in the first post. This is a wonderful resource.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Did you try lowering the voltage? Delicate flavors often become muted more than usual if you are vaping at too high a temp. Try 3.4-3.6v and see if that makes a difference.

 

[bkkdaytrader]

CE4 and CE5 Clearomizers from what I understand will mute flavors. If you had more flavor before on the same clearomizer, then I'm not sure. But yes, more wraps = more resistance. Also Larger diameter wire equals less resistance. Larger wire is a lower gauge number. smaller diameter wire is a higher gauge number.

34gauge is smaller than 32g. 32g is smaller than 30g, and so on. There is a chart around here somewhere that gives the decimal equivalent to each size.

jeez--more confusion--i was using the thicker wire of the 2 that I have--then it must be kanthal 28

but less resistance = more ohms?

these clearizers have worked ok-- i dont think that is the reason

could i have burned it too much before the wick and coil were saturated?

 

[bkkdaytrader]

Did you try lowering the voltage? Delicate flavors often become muted more than usual if you are vaping at too high a temp. Try 3.4-3.6v and see if that makes a difference.

i have it on lowest voltage available on this device 3.3

 

[Nosedive4130]

No.

Less resistance = Less Ohms.

What kind of wick? Silica? If you are using silica, I don't think that you burned it.

 

[bkkdaytrader]

No.

Less resistance = Less Ohms.

What kind of wick? Silica? If you are using silica, I don't think that you burned it.

yes it is silica.

 

[Nosedive4130]

Ok, silica wick is fairly heat resistant. If you watch a lot of online videos, you will see people dry burn their freshly built coils to make sure that there are no more oils or contaminates left. People also do this when they clean their coils. They only do this if they are using silica wick because other wick types will burn if they are not primed with eLiquid.

I have some green apple that I get almost no taste from out of my ce4 type clearomizers, but if I use a drip atomizer I can get a little flavor out of it, but not a lot. I am steeping it hoping that some more flavor will come out of it later though.

I know that the fruit flavors don't really like to be run too hot. They tend to burn easy. The Coffee flavors and Tobacco flavors can handle the heat better though...

 

[bkkdaytrader]

Ok, silica wick is fairly heat resistant. If you watch a lot of online videos, you will see people dry burn their freshly built coils to make sure that there are no more oils or contaminates left. People also do this when they clean their coils. They only do this if they are using silica wick because other wick types will burn if they are not primed with eLiquid.

I have some green apple that I get almost no taste from out of my ce4 type clearomizers, but if I use a drip atomizer I can get a little flavor out of it, but not a lot. I am steeping it hoping that some more flavor will come out of it later though.

I know that the fruit flavors don't really like to be run to hot. They tend to burn easy. The Coffee flavors and Tobacco flavors can handle the heat better though...

that sounds like a plausible explanation--i have never tried this juice and I have never used such a low ohm coil om my devices.

thanks everyone

 

[Nosedive4130]

Also, Congrats on your first recoil! My first one was on a rebuildable drip atomizer. If I had tried on a ce5 I might not have done so well.

 

[bkkdaytrader]

Also, Congrats on your first recoil! My first one was on a rebuildable drip atomizer. If I had tried on a ce5 I might not have done so well.

thanks --yes I am pleased that at least it works--i drained out the apple juice and added some caramel-- now i can't really tell what is burning and what is caramel

anyway I will practice and experiment as I wait for my kayfun clone to be delivered

 

[Nosedive4130]

You know, Caramel Apple sounds kind of nice.

When I clean my ce4's, after I rinse out the wicks really well, and then pat them down to dry them the best I can, I will do a dry burn to remove all moisture from the wicks. Water will dilute and mute the flavor of your eLiquid. Also, dry burning the coils will burn off the gunk that was built up from before. After you do this, then, you fill your tank.

A lot of times before I would do this, it would take quite a few puffs before I could get the taste of the new flavor that I replaced. It does work.

Another thing about different gauges of Kanthol... If you use a heavier gauge like 26 gauge and you wrap a low ohm coil like 1.4ohms, it is hard for you to turn the wattage down enough so that you aren't burning your flavors out.

If you decide "Oh, I'll just do it again, but with more wraps, but with the same gauge wire", you may still have trouble. More wraps with heavier gauge wire means that there is going to be more surface area of coil that is heated. If you use lighter gauge wire like 34g or 32g, then it will take less wraps to have an ohm rating that will be high enough for your device to work and also not burn the eLiquid.

 

[bkkdaytrader]

You know, Caramel Apple sounds kind of nice.

When I clean my ce4's, after I rinse out the wicks really well, and then pat them down to dry them the best I can, I will do a dry burn to remove all moisture from the wicks. Water will dilute and mute the flavor of your eLiquid. Also, dry burning the coils will burn off the gunk that was built up from before. After you do this, then, you fill your tank.

A lot of times before I would do this, it would take quite a few puffs before I could get the taste of the new flavor that I replaced. It does work.

Another thing about different gauges of Kanthol... If you use a heavier gauge like 26 gauge and you wrap a low ohm coil like 1.4ohms, it is hard for you to turn the wattage down enough so that you aren't burning your flavors out.

If you decide "Oh, I'll just do it again, but with more wraps, but with the same gauge wire", you may still have trouble. More wraps with heavier gauge wire means that there is going to be more surface area of coil that is heated. If you use lighter gauge wire like 34g or 32g, then it will take less wraps to have an ohm rating that will be high enough for your device to work and also not burn the eLiquid.

i still taste some burning with the caramel

and you answered my next question before I asked

let me try to interpret--if I want higher resistance I should use a higher gauge(smaller wire) and less wraps? I only did about 4-5 wraps on the last one.
i had just user 28 gauge--if i go to 32 gauge then how many wraps ? also the diameter of the wraps is a factor-right?

to be honest -now i can't tell what the taste is--burning or caramel--whatever it is it is not strong

 

[Nosedive4130]

i still taste some burning with the caramel

and you answered my next question before I asked

let me try to interpret--if I want higher resistance I should use a higher gauge(smaller wire) and less wraps? I only did about 4-5 wraps on the last one.
i had just user 28 gauge--if i go to 32 gauge then how many wraps ? also the diameter of the wraps is a factor-right?

to be honest -now i can't tell what the taste is--burning or caramel--whatever it is it is not strong

Ok, you are kind of on the right track. Let me be more clear.

Think of how water flows through a hose.

If the hose is larger, then the water flows more freely. Less Resistance. Same with electricity.
If the hose is smaller, water flows less freely because it is restricted. More resistance.

Also, if you have a large hose water will flow freely, but if that hose is really really long, you will have more resistance. Same with electricity through a wire.

 

[bkkdaytrader]

Ok, you are kind of on the right track. Let me be more clear.
Also, if you have a large hose water will flow freely, but if that hose is really really long, you will have more resistance. Same with electricity through a wire.

that would explain why on some videos I saw they used k gauge 28 and 10-12 wraps and ended up with ( i forget but more than 1.8 ohms anyway) ? thick wire, longer wire --more resistance

 

[Nosedive4130]

Let us say that you make a coil from 34g kanthol. If you make the coil with 5 or 6 wraps you should get around 1.8ohms. If you pull that coil out and straighten it back into just a piece of straight wire, then it should still check roughly the same 1.8ohms.

This is because the thickness of the wire is what determines what the resistance or ohm load is. The manufacturer classifies their wire as Ohms per inch. So, each type of wire will be so many ohms per inch. If you took a piece of wire that was 1 inch long and it check 1.8 ohms, then if you were to cut that wire in half, then it should check roughly 0.9 ohms.

If you make a coil with a 2mm piece of wick versus a 3mm piece of wick, then you will get 2 different resistance readings because there will be more wire present when wrapped around the 3mm wick.

 

[Nosedive4130]

thick wire, longer wire --more resistance

Thin Wire, Longer Wire -- More resistance. ---- More wraps -- More resistance.

Thick Wire, Short Wire -- Less Resistance. ---- Less wraps -- Less resistance.

 

[Nosedive4130]

Oh, Coil Calculator...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/506159-kanthal-coil-calculator.html

 

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