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Even though a few quit smoking the number is low due to the low nic used IMHO. I know I couldn't quit using such low nic, I need my current 18 after 4 months of Vapeing.
Perhaps other studies we'll be more beneficial, please don't take this wrong as I'm glad and very happy some people quit.
Perhaps other studies we'll be more beneficial, please don't take this wrong as I'm glad and very happy some people quit.
Another interesting take: E-Cigarettes Found to Provide Some Benefit - WSJ.com
Talyon, I agree about the nic levels.
Talyon, I agree about the nic levels.
Spazmelda, hope you don't mind if I step in here; your thread had the link to the actual study on PLOSone, but it was closed, so here's the link:
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetc....1371/journal.pone.0066317&representation=PDF
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetc....1371/journal.pone.0066317&representation=PDF
While researchers conduct their little studies ... wondering if e-cigs help
smokers cut down or quit smoking ...
Thousands upon thousands of smokers every day switch to e-cigarettes
Knock-Knock !!
The sun rises in the East and sets in the West
All researchers have to do is open their eyes to see it
smokers cut down or quit smoking ...
Thousands upon thousands of smokers every day switch to e-cigarettes
Knock-Knock !!
The sun rises in the East and sets in the West
All researchers have to do is open their eyes to see it
If your were to take a group of smokers who had no interest in quitting, and then check in on them a year later, What percent of that group do you think would have quit smoking all on their own?
I'd expect zero.
The subjects were recruited based on interest in reducing the amount they smoked, but not wanting to quit altogether. As they were making the final selection of subjects, anyone who said they were even considering quitting was excluded from the study. So given these circumstances, I would say that the quit rate was phenomenal.
What if the smokers-not-interested-in-quitting had been given nicotine gum instead of ecigarettes? What percent do you think would have been quit altogether at the end of the year? I was interested in quitting and I used nicotine gum for several years.(i.e. I didn't stop using at after 12 weeks as directed. The best I could do with it was to reduce the number of cigarettes per day. I couldn't quit.
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I tried and tried to find a study on NRT success with unmotivated smokers and couldn't find one. Maybe there are some out there, but I didn't come across. I did find one that looked at whether Free NRTs could increase quit attempts in unmotivated smokers.
I hope the significance of this study doesn't get lost to the msm. These were unmotivated smokers, with a chintzy (outdated by today's standards) set-up, and at the low end of nicotine, without counselling or quit advice, and the results rivaled real world success for NRT + counselling with motivated participants. I hope it's not too long before we see a study with more up to date ecigs, motivated participants, and higher nicotine.
I wonder what would happen if a participant in this study (or one like it) ditched the ecig and cartos they were given and got their own set-up and liquids? Would they be eliminated from the data set?
I hope the significance of this study doesn't get lost to the msm. These were unmotivated smokers, with a chintzy (outdated by today's standards) set-up, and at the low end of nicotine, without counselling or quit advice, and the results rivaled real world success for NRT + counselling with motivated participants. I hope it's not too long before we see a study with more up to date ecigs, motivated participants, and higher nicotine.
I wonder what would happen if a participant in this study (or one like it) ditched the ecig and cartos they were given and got their own set-up and liquids? Would they be eliminated from the data set?
Agreed!! Definitely one of the best two points made in this thread! The other = Wonder what would have happened if 24mg nic was used?....as mentioned above. When considering this, I'd say as well....REMARKABLE!!!!
Actually, Dr. Polosa told me today that he plans on trying to reach all the people who dropped out of this study, and offer them that option!
I'll be impressed when a study is done
where knowledgeable vaping veterans are in the forefront BEFORE
the study starts ... Ya know ... In order to help make sure its worthwhile.
I don't care what Doctor takes credit for the study ...
But there should be a team of veteran e-smokers involved
in the planning stages of the study.
where knowledgeable vaping veterans are in the forefront BEFORE
the study starts ... Ya know ... In order to help make sure its worthwhile.
I don't care what Doctor takes credit for the study ...
But there should be a team of veteran e-smokers involved
in the planning stages of the study.
I think Vocalek is in contact with Polosa some? Not sure if that started before or after this study was put into motion.
My research experience is all like 'let's do some things to cells and see what happens' or 'let's look at what this little bit of dna does in frogs'. I know human studies are way more expensive and complicated to design. I have no experience with designing human/cliical type studies at all. I was trying to figure out in my head how you'd set up a study that sort of replicates what the successful vapers we see on here do, and it gets very complicated very quickly (in my head at least). Also, with the devices changing as quickly as they do, even picking out a delivery protocol (which battery, which juice delivery, what level of nicotine, which flavor(s)?) Just letting your participants find their way to a preferred battery, delivery, nicotine level, and flavor would probably be the most successful approach (in terms of getting off cigarettes), but hard to design a study around without introducing too many variables.
In my experience with starting new vapers out, the delivery system, the e liquid, and some experienced vaper tips are critical. I had a guy I got started a year ago on Ego T's. He failed. He could not find a liquid he liked, he could not seem to get the hit he needed and he only half listened to my advice on 'how to hit' an e cig vs a tobacco cig. I know for a fact he tried many different liquids during this time.
I'm happy to report he came back to try again, after he found some liquid he liked. He was looking for advice as he had a lot of leakage and still wasn't getting the hit he needed. I gave him an Ego Twist, a couple of DCT's with extra cartos, filled one DCT up for him, showing him how to do it, and he tried it. I had set the Twist to 4.2. He was instantly happy with the taste, the hit and he listened more closely this time about how to draw on the carto. I heard from him today, he was still using what I gave him, had bought backups and is still going strong. There are so many many variables one wonders how any study can be done that produces better results than Dr Polosi's.
I'm happy to report he came back to try again, after he found some liquid he liked. He was looking for advice as he had a lot of leakage and still wasn't getting the hit he needed. I gave him an Ego Twist, a couple of DCT's with extra cartos, filled one DCT up for him, showing him how to do it, and he tried it. I had set the Twist to 4.2. He was instantly happy with the taste, the hit and he listened more closely this time about how to draw on the carto. I heard from him today, he was still using what I gave him, had bought backups and is still going strong. There are so many many variables one wonders how any study can be done that produces better results than Dr Polosi's.
Someone want to drop a dime on the researchers ...
You can't dissect and put the e-smoking phenomenon
in a test tube, with all its variables, and break out percentages.
The sun rises in the East and sets in the West
AND
E-cigarettes are here to stay !!
You can't dissect and put the e-smoking phenomenon
in a test tube, with all its variables, and break out percentages.
The sun rises in the East and sets in the West
AND
E-cigarettes are here to stay !!
You raise an interesting point. Was just discussing on another thread about those disposable tips that lets another person try your ecig. When I first started out, I ordered a sample pack of cartos: several tobacco flavors, a menthol, and several flavors like coffee, vanilla, and chocolate. Since I only vaped menthol at the time, I could offer smokers a carto of their preferred flavor, and that's what did the trick for the two who took me up on my offer (since neither of them smoked menthol).
So yes, finding the right flavor at the getgo does make a difference! We'd be wise to keep this in mind.
I remember a discussion a year or so ago ...
What is more important to help convert a smoker?
The PV or the level of nicotine in the liquid?
The reality is a quality PV coupled with a flavor
the "specific" smoker would like ... in addition to
the nicotine comfort level of the "specific" smoker
are all important.
However ... No One will vape a flavor that he or she hates
regardless of the quality of the PV and nic level.
My local e-cig B&M is packed from the time they open
till they close at 7PM. The OVERWHELMING vast majority
of their customers are there to try out different flavors.
We are all the same ... but some are different.
What is more important to help convert a smoker?
The PV or the level of nicotine in the liquid?
The reality is a quality PV coupled with a flavor
the "specific" smoker would like ... in addition to
the nicotine comfort level of the "specific" smoker
are all important.
However ... No One will vape a flavor that he or she hates
regardless of the quality of the PV and nic level.
My local e-cig B&M is packed from the time they open
till they close at 7PM. The OVERWHELMING vast majority
of their customers are there to try out different flavors.
We are all the same ... but some are different.
Never said I disagreed with the study, just added that with more nic more would have quit, making the result more remarkable. That seems like a reasonable assumption on my part. I understand where your going.
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