First time building titanium coils. Could use some guidance.

[Chris863]

I am reading there is this nasty ti02 that can be harmful if inhaled? Whats the worst case scenario if you accidently inhale some titanium dioxide? Is it like tar from cigarettes bad or like breathing asbestos bad? Just want to know what the potential health risks are. I also read that if you dont glow your coils(put them above 1400F)then youll be ok? They only get that hot when dry burning like you would with Kanthal right? I suppose though with TC my XCube 2 would stay on top of that keeping the temperature regulated even if I want to take a big rip holding the firing button for 6-7 secs etc. (New to TC as well, have been primarily using Watt Mode on my XCube 2 with Kanthal for the past couple of months after a few failed attempts trying TC with 304 and 316L wire)

About coil building... Do I do spaced or contact coils? I have a Kuro Coiler that builds perfect contact coils and I went to the hardware store yesterday and picked up a 4 inch 6-32 and a 4 inch 8-32 machine screw. This should enable me to build 2.5 mm and 3 mm spaced coils with the screws. Never used a screw for wrapping a spaced coil, actually have never used a spaced coil either, only contact coils up until this point. Assuming though that you just wrap in between each thread? Do you skip any spaces in between the threads or just wrap between every thread?

My main thing is just staying safe, I have some Grade 1 26 Gauge Titanium wire that I know is good and Im going to go ahead and wipe it off before using it with rubbing alcohol or wash it with some dish detergent but please share with me any pertinent information a first timer with Ti needs to know.


Thanks

 

[KenD]

Someone will give a better and more detailed answer, but a short one for now. Basically, there's suspicion that titanium oxide might be cause cancer. That's based on someone working for decades in an environment rich in free-floating tio2. If I remember correctly the person(s) was a smoker as well. In any case, the dangers of titanium oxide aren't really established, and you'd still have to inhale massive amounts over a long period. Don't dry burn the coil (without tc engaged) and you're fine, and if you'd still happen to get some tio2 it's unlikely to be much of an issue.

I've managed to do working contact coils with ti but spaced coils are easier to get working, particularly as you can't dry fire titanium to get rid of hot spots. Machine screws are awesome for spaced coils (I've wrapped on every thread) but the kuro will work as well. Just pull the finished coil apart a bit and you'll get a very good spaced coil.

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[Rockwell222]

I am reading there is this nasty ti02 that can be harmful if inhaled? Whats the worst case scenario if you accidently inhale some titanium dioxide? Is it like tar from cigarettes bad or like breathing asbestos bad? Just want to know what the potential health risks are. I also read that if you dont glow your coils(put them above 1400F)then youll be ok? They only get that hot when dry burning like you would with Kanthal right? I suppose though with TC my XCube 2 would stay on top of that keeping the temperature regulated even if I want to take a big rip holding the firing button for 6-7 secs etc. (New to TC as well, have been primarily using Watt Mode on my XCube 2 with Kanthal for the past couple of months after a few failed attempts trying TC with 304 and 316L wire)

About coil building... Do I do spaced or contact coils? I have a Kuro Coiler that builds perfect contact coils and I went to the hardware store yesterday and picked up a 4 inch 6-32 and a 4 inch 8-32 machine screw. This should enable me to build 2.5 mm and 3 mm spaced coils with the screws. Never used a screw for wrapping a spaced coil, actually have never used a spaced coil either, only contact coils up until this point. Assuming though that you just wrap in between each thread? Do you skip any spaces in between the threads or just wrap between every thread?

My main thing is just staying safe, I have some Grade 1 26 Gauge Titanium wire that I know is good and Im going to go ahead and wipe it off before using it with rubbing alcohol or wash it with some dish detergent but please share with me any pertinent information a first timer with Ti needs to know.


Thanks

Glad your trying out titanium for the first time. It's by far my favorite wire hands down. I've been using it for about 8 months or so and have had nothing but great pure flavor. With the ti02 I have done insane amounts of research and came to the conclusion imo that it is fine as long as your not dry firing your coils at high wattages or for long periods of time. It's a rule of thumb as long as your coil doesn't have a white flaky substance on your coil then your good to go. I always very lightly pulsed my ti coils at around 8 watts with a spaced coil in a darkish room and did 1 or 2 second pulses about 5 to 10 times to make sure I saw it begin to turn light orange from the middle out. I've since not been doing that because of the 100+ ti builds I've done none of them had hot legs/spots as long as I did spaced coils and my atomizer did well with TC builds. Using that screw works well I used my 8/32 screw and and makes perfect spaced coils. You can also use your cooler and at the end pinch the last wrap and stretch then push back in and you should have a great spaced coil also. The kuro coiler or coil master will allow you to have multiple diameters to try out. For the past couple months I've been doing fun advanced builds like fused claptons, caterpillar tracks and staggered fused claptons with titanium and have had amazing success. I really thought they wouldn't work with a spaced coil and all of those wraps but it's been amazing. After you try some regular ti coils try a twisted ti coil and you'll be happy with the flavor and cloud difference. Sorry for the rambling as you can see I enjoy my titanium lol. Good luck and any other questions just ask. I'm sure other people will help answer some other questions you have.

 

[Chris863]

thanks, off to steamengine and then the workbench to wrap a couple ti coils! Wondering, whats a good starting temp and the highest temp recommended?...also for the xcube2 whats the proper coefficient? is there just one for Ti or is their multiple numbers I can play around with?

last time with TC I was trying SS coils and got some burnt hits... if you get burnt hits with ti though its not necessarily titanium dioxide right? only if there is a powdery substance?

EDIT: Man tonight might not be the best time to try these Titanium coils... When I bought this wire a month ago I wasnt aware of the resistance difference of it vs Kanthal.

I dont know how to get 24G Titanium to work on an aromamizer at this time steam engine is saying I would need 21 wraps on each coil to get 0.3 ohm. Im sure there is a way to utilize this 24G Ti wire maybe a single coil but for the time being I am going to need to build with a different wire. Maybe 26G or 28G is more practical for vaping purposes?

 

[Rockwell222]

If you get dry hits there is no worry of ti02 it's only dry firing to much. I believe the tcr for titanium is .35 or maybe .40 but I think it's .35 lol. Why do you want such s high resistance for your aromamizer? Most of my ti coils are around .12 to .06, sometimes I get them a little higher like around .26 or so but those are the builds for my wife. I don't use 24 ti to often but I do use it for Clapton ti coils in some rdas with no issue. The best for ti is like you said 26g and 28g. Do you have any rdas you can put a single coil in? Where do you get your ti from? Some brands are crazy springy and it puts people off of ti because they think it's all that way. Good luck, don't give up hope.

 

[Chris863]

I got the 24G Titanium from fasttech. Next time I buy Titanium though I am going to probably get it from Unkamen Supplies where I get my SS wire.

Guess Im a little paranoid about going under 0.2 ohm with my batteries. Im still new to TC and although Ive been subohming for 9 months or so I really havent gone lower than about 0.25 ohm(with Kanthal and SS)

Is there any concerns with such low resistance you speak of going down to 0.06 to .12 ohm? I have a regulated mod, an XCube 2 that is capable of 0.01 ohm in TC modes but I havent done the research or fully understand what type of strain that might put on the batteries. I have the Samsung 25R green batteries, I just dont want the mod to explode in my hand or something but I guess thats mainly with Mech Mods that can have the batteries explode at really low ohms.

I try to err on the side of caution and learn things slowly with vaping because I still dont fully understand ohm law, voltage, or amps in relationship to battery safety... a lot of things I do with vaping and rebuilding coils and wicking I still dont fully grasp and there are times when my builds are great and other times where it will be dry hit city...mostly because of poor wicking and the fact that I have three new tanks a Cthulhu V2, and OBS Crius and an Aromamizer and they all have their own quirks... Seems like if a coil is placed wrong just by a few millimeters or if a wick is too thick or too long Im in for some real harsh hits...

For the past 9 months though up until late November I have only built on an Orchid V6 and a Billow V1, only for the past month have I been working with these newer velocity style decks which have huge airholes or the aromamizer has 4 airholes! The juice wells with tail placement of the wick is something that is real hit or miss... sorry for going off topic lol but yeah I for one need to do my homework before working my way up to Titanium Im thinking, its interesting experimenting with different wires, last night instead of Titanium I tried some Nichrome coils which I dont think I care for seems to have a strange aftertaste.

Think my next wire experiment will be with some 430 Grade Stainless Steel. Might be smart to at least learn the basics of Temperature Control with SS before trying Titanium since Stainless Steel is safer.

 

[WharfRat1976]

I got the 24G Titanium from fasttech. Next time I buy Titanium though I am going to probably get it from Unkamen Supplies where I get my SS wire.

Guess Im a little paranoid about going under 0.2 ohm with my batteries. Im still new to TC and although Ive been subohming for 9 months or so I really havent gone lower than about 0.25 ohm(with Kanthal and SS)

Is there any concerns with such low resistance you speak of going down to 0.06 to .12 ohm? I have a regulated mod, an XCube 2 that is capable of 0.01 ohm in TC modes but I havent done the research or fully understand what type of strain that might put on the batteries. I have the Samsung 25R green batteries, I just dont want the mod to explode in my hand or something but I guess thats mainly with Mech Mods that can have the batteries explode at really low ohms.

I try to err on the side of caution and learn things slowly with vaping because I still dont fully understand ohm law, voltage, or amps in relationship to battery safety... a lot of things I do with vaping and rebuilding coils and wicking I still dont fully grasp and there are times when my builds are great and other times where it will be dry hit city...mostly because of poor wicking and the fact that I have three new tanks a Cthulhu V2, and OBS Crius and an Aromamizer and they all have their own quirks... Seems like if a coil is placed wrong just by a few millimeters or if a wick is too thick or too long Im in for some real harsh hits...

For the past 9 months though up until late November I have only built on an Orchid V6 and a Billow V1, only for the past month have I been working with these newer velocity style decks which have huge airholes or the aromamizer has 4 airholes! The juice wells with tail placement of the wick is something that is real hit or miss... sorry for going off topic lol but yeah I for one need to do my homework before working my way up to Titanium Im thinking, its interesting experimenting with different wires, last night instead of Titanium I tried some Nichrome coils which I dont think I care for seems to have a strange aftertaste.

Think my next wire experiment will be with some 430 Grade Stainless Steel. Might be smart to at least learn the basics of Temperature Control with SS before trying Titanium since Stainless Steel is safer.

If you don't know exactly what you are doing, please don't do it.

There are many threads in the Temperature Control forum here on ECF that discuss your questions. There are thousands of discussion pages on Ti.

 

[spalife]

I am reading there is this nasty ti02 that can be harmful if inhaled? Whats the worst case scenario if you accidently inhale some titanium dioxide? Is it like tar from cigarettes bad or like breathing asbestos bad? Just want to know what the potential health risks are. I also read that if you dont glow your coils(put them above 1400F)then youll be ok? They only get that hot when dry burning like you would with Kanthal right? I suppose though with TC my XCube 2 would stay on top of that keeping the temperature regulated even if I want to take a big rip holding the firing button for 6-7 secs etc. (New to TC as well, have been primarily using Watt Mode on my XCube 2 with Kanthal for the past couple of months after a few failed attempts trying TC with 304 and 316L wire)

About coil building... Do I do spaced or contact coils? I have a Kuro Coiler that builds perfect contact coils and I went to the hardware store yesterday and picked up a 4 inch 6-32 and a 4 inch 8-32 machine screw. This should enable me to build 2.5 mm and 3 mm spaced coils with the screws. Never used a screw for wrapping a spaced coil, actually have never used a spaced coil either, only contact coils up until this point. Assuming though that you just wrap in between each thread? Do you skip any spaces in between the threads or just wrap between every thread?

My main thing is just staying safe, I have some Grade 1 26 Gauge Titanium wire that I know is good and Im going to go ahead and wipe it off before using it with rubbing alcohol or wash it with some dish detergent but please share with me any pertinent information a first timer with Ti needs to know.


Thanks

I don't use Ti but came across this sometime back when a vendor stopped selling,
The link will address your health and safety concerns.

 

[KenD]

I got the 24G Titanium from fasttech. Next time I buy Titanium though I am going to probably get it from Unkamen Supplies where I get my SS wire.

Guess Im a little paranoid about going under 0.2 ohm with my batteries. Im still new to TC and although Ive been subohming for 9 months or so I really havent gone lower than about 0.25 ohm(with Kanthal and SS)

Is there any concerns with such low resistance you speak of going down to 0.06 to .12 ohm? I have a regulated mod, an XCube 2 that is capable of 0.01 ohm in TC modes but I havent done the research or fully understand what type of strain that might put on the batteries. I have the Samsung 25R green batteries, I just dont want the mod to explode in my hand or something but I guess thats mainly with Mech Mods that can have the batteries explode at really low ohms.

I try to err on the side of caution and learn things slowly with vaping because I still dont fully understand ohm law, voltage, or amps in relationship to battery safety... a lot of things I do with vaping and rebuilding coils and wicking I still dont fully grasp and there are times when my builds are great and other times where it will be dry hit city...mostly because of poor wicking and the fact that I have three new tanks a Cthulhu V2, and OBS Crius and an Aromamizer and they all have their own quirks... Seems like if a coil is placed wrong just by a few millimeters or if a wick is too thick or too long Im in for some real harsh hits...

For the past 9 months though up until late November I have only built on an Orchid V6 and a Billow V1, only for the past month have I been working with these newer velocity style decks which have huge airholes or the aromamizer has 4 airholes! The juice wells with tail placement of the wick is something that is real hit or miss... sorry for going off topic lol but yeah I for one need to do my homework before working my way up to Titanium Im thinking, its interesting experimenting with different wires, last night instead of Titanium I tried some Nichrome coils which I dont think I care for seems to have a strange aftertaste.

Think my next wire experiment will be with some 430 Grade Stainless Steel. Might be smart to at least learn the basics of Temperature Control with SS before trying Titanium since Stainless Steel is safer.

With vw mods (and tc mods basically fall under that category) resistance doesn't factor into the amp draw. Instead you calculate using the watts and the lowest battery charge (the battery needs to work harder to provide the watts as it drains). The formula is:

Watts / voltage = amps

So let's say you're at 60 watts and the mod switches of when the battery is at 3 volts. 60w / 3v = 20 amps. You should add something like 10% to the calculated amp draw as the vw chip itself draws some current.

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[Rockwell222]

I believe with just about 100% that there are no issues with titanium coils. A lot of these so called studies that were brought out were a bunch of people freaking out about ti02. I to had concerns and I've done well over 100 hours in research about titanium and if anything I feel safer using this then kanthal or especially nichrome and ni200. If you go to the temp controlled section there is a thread called "titanium vaping and safety" at least that's what I think it's called lol. There has been a ton of info over there that should help put your mind at rest. As long as you space your coils and don't dry fire your coils like you would kanthal then imho you have very little to worry about. We should be getting ni200 out of here that stuff makes me worried and especially because every place sells it and puts it in premade coils. The truth is we no very little about long term use of just about any of these metals and it all carries some risk. You have to do research and make sure it's a source that is trustworthy and doesn't have something to gain by doing a bogus report or claim. It really upsets me when people make these reports of how titanium is awful because of ti02 and how it will cause these awful things because of one guy that was in a plant that had tons of this ti02 dust floating around plus he was a lifelong smoker and he worked in the plant for a long time then he gets sick. Of course to much of something is good for nothing. The amount of ti02 that would come off a coil is tiny and the way it's on the coil it doesn't just jump into your lungs. It is flakey and if you happened to get some somehow from your coil to your mouth you would most likely eat it and not inhale it. With the 100+ to coils I've made I've yet to see any ti02 on any of them. And a lot of my coils are more advanced where I put more power to them. The only time I saw it was when I made it happen just to see what it looks like so I know. Sorry for this rant I'm sure some of it made no sense because I rushed and did this during my work break but in the end it's your decision and if you don't feel safe seek another wire type. It's all about harm reduction and vaping smart and safe.

 

[Chris863]

Thanks Rockwell and others for the information... There is always trepidation when anything new comes out whether it be new wire for coils and TC and vaping itself. Seems there's an overreaction(myself included to an extent)about possible harmful side effects that titanium can cause. My next build when I have the time to really be patient and build some solid spaced coils(have little to no experience with spaced) Im going to wrap a couple of 24G Titanium Coils. Im going to go for 0.1 ohm or so.

 

[Rockwell222]

Thanks Rockwell and others for the information... There is always trepidation when anything new comes out whether it be new wire for coils and TC and vaping itself. Seems there's an overreaction(myself included to an extent)about possible harmful side effects that titanium can cause. My next build when I have the time to really be patient and build some solid spaced coils(have little to no experience with spaced) Im going to wrap a couple of 24G Titanium Coils. Im going to go for 0.1 ohm or so.

It's good to be cautious and find out the info you need and make a informed decision. You can use a 8/32 screw at around 2+ inches and wrap in the threads then unscrew. I forgot if you or someone already said that but it's very easy. Now I just hand space it just because it's become second nature. And just do a single coil first and if it happens to come out to around .2 or so then throw in another to get it to your target. With TC I've noticed that resistance is not as important as it is with normal kanthal, nichrome or SS. Seems like with most of my ti coils they come out around .08 to .2 depending on single or dual and the type of coil. Have fun with it.

 

[Chris863]

Thanks, main thing I try to remember with rebuilding in general is just take things slow and try not to get frustrated lol.

So many choices now with wire and really feel I'd be cheating myself to not at least try each wire a few times. Only TC wire I still havent bought is the pure nickel, the Ni200 I believe. Reason being is the few times I tried nichrome, have some Ni60(which is mostly nickel I think its 60 percent?) I didnt care for the aftertaste. But probably wouldnt hurt to buy 20ft of Ni200 just to know for sure what I like... but seems Pure Nickel doesnt have any resistance or very little? A lot to ponder, thats why like I said I try to take it slow, and over time with patience figure out what works best for me.

 

[sig-cmt]

... I try to take it slow, and over time with patience figure out what works best for me.

Nah...Dive right into it, you will figure it out faster that way. Don't even think about it. Try all the wires. Just do it.

 

[Chris863]

Thanks thats a great philosophy but when a build doesnt work right I get extremely agitated being nicotine depraved. I need to build a couple of my older tanks with Kanthal and fill them up that way if one of these newer rtas with the TC stuff doesnt pan out I wont be as stressed having some backups to fall back on.

 

[Rockwell222]

Thanks, main thing I try to remember with rebuilding in general is just take things slow and try not to get frustrated lol.

So many choices now with wire and really feel I'd be cheating myself to not at least try each wire a few times. Only TC wire I still havent bought is the pure nickel, the Ni200 I believe. Reason being is the few times I tried nichrome, have some Ni60(which is mostly nickel I think its 60 percent?) I didnt care for the aftertaste. But probably wouldnt hurt to buy 20ft of Ni200 just to know for sure what I like... but seems Pure Nickel doesnt have any resistance or very little? A lot to ponder, thats why like I said I try to take it slow, and over time with patience figure out what works best for me.

I used ni200 for a while and I got a very odd aftertaste every morning when I woke up. It was very metallic to say the least. When I went to titanium I never looked back, I tried SS but it wasn't as consistent as ti for me. I would pick up some 26g ti and some 28ti and twist up the 28g it makes a amazing vape. I used twisted 26 and twisted 28 ti for a long time but now that I started the claptons and such it's tough to go back to anything else. Just make sure you get good not springy garde1 ti and you'll be all good. Take your time with it and don't jump in lol. Even though that's what I did.