Titanium coil builds

[Bru2basics]

It's 0.06ohm

Nice looking build there mate. you've inspired me to get more creative with my claptons now, just waiting on the wire to do it.

I suppose resistance is all subjective with temperature control as long as it's high enough for the mod to fire it.

 

[WiSK]

If you look at the reason claptons were successful in Kanthal / nonTC is because you are massively increasing the mass and surface area without significantly decreasing the resistance. It works because they are slower to warm up, and when taking a lung hit, the vapour is moving off the coil fast enough that the coils aren't boiling the VG.

But with TC it seems to be a little bit of a disadvantage. I mean, to get a tasty and cloudy vape from titanium claptons I have to set the temp higher than I would otherwise be comfortable with. It would be interesting to know what the actual temperature of the wraps is, but I see no easy way to measure it.

 

[Bru2basics]

If you look at the reason claptons were successful in Kanthal / nonTC is because you are massively increasing the mass and surface area without significantly decreasing the resistance. It works because they are slower to warm up, and when taking a lung hit, the vapour is moving off the coil fast enough that the coils aren't boiling the VG.

But with TC it seems to be a little bit of a disadvantage. I mean, to get a tasty and cloudy vape from titanium claptons I have to set the temp higher than I would otherwise be comfortable with. It would be interesting to know what the actual temperature of the wraps is, but I see no easy way to measure it.

Agreed got my claptons running at 290°c to get a decent hit off them so it's a best guess scenario with the temperature of the coil at the moment and especially with the fancy build types. To get true temperature control we would need a thermo couple situated in the atomizer itself and so far I've only seen an innokin prototype that incorporates that tech but it comes with a proprietary connection which renders all our other attys obsolete.

 

[Rockwell222]

First shot at a titanium Clapton in my hobo v3. It's got a 26g titanium core with a 32g titanium wrap with 2.5 id. I always use twisted titanium in my DNA 200's and they are set at 460f at 50 watts with a 100 watt preheat and I have the Clapton at 440 and 50 watts with 100 watt preheat with just about same results just I get a lot more flavor obviously with the Clapton. I cleaned this coil up a little bit before I wicked it and I'll be buying more titanium to put these in all of my builds. Don't mind the crappy pic my iPhone 6 isn't great this close up I guess lol.

 

[TheKman]

Hey folks, I'm very interested in all this Clapton talk, would soomeone mind explaining the principle of this to me?

I'm quite familiar with Titanium coils, I'm using them on every device I have at the moment; mech, eGo, TC mods, drippers, tanks... Love the stuff. However, I seem to have a very different bent than a lot of users here when it comes to coil design.

I like simplicity. The coil heats the wick... When the contents of the wick get hot enough they vapourise. Simply put I aim to heat the juice inside the wick. I don't understand how twisted wire and Clapton coils are intended to assist in this regard.

TC with titanium, and pseudo TC on direct batteries have all been very successful for me. I don't want to add further complexity without understanding why.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Rockwell222]

Hey folks, I'm very interested in all this Clapton talk, would soomeone mind explaining the principle of this to me?

I'm quite familiar with Titanium coils, I'm using them on every device I have at the moment; mech, eGo, TC mods, drippers, tanks... Love the stuff. However, I seem to have a very different bent than a lot of users here when it comes to coil design.

I like simplicity. The coil heats the wick... When the contents of the wick get hot enough they vapourise. Simply put I aim to heat the juice inside the wick. I don't understand how twisted wire and Clapton coils are intended to assist in this regard.

TC with titanium, and pseudo TC on direct batteries have all been very successful for me. I don't want to add further complexity without understanding why.

Thanks in advance.

Your using titanium in a mech? I would stay away from that practice it could be very dangerous. I know there has been some people that say they do that but the risk of forming ti02 can be a big problem unless you use it in TC.

 

[Bru2basics]

Your using titanium in a mech? I would stay away from that practice it could be very dangerous. I know there has been some people that say they do that but the risk of forming ti02 can be a big problem unless you use it in TC.

What he said your playing with fire, quite literally if you ignite the titanium!

 

[WharfRat1976]

What's the max degrees you would put on a .4 Ti build? Single spaced coil...it's around 14 wraps, 2.5mmID. I can hit it at 525F but would like to increase if it's cool.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Wick thickness is very important on any coil and is even more important on these Ti coil builds, if you havent got enough wick inside your coils then you will get hot spots where the wraps arent contacting your wick and your wire will unknowingly to you oxidize, although this can be recognised as extra or to much throat hit the best way is visually, once you have wicked and juiced your build leave the top cap off and vapourize a couple of wick fulls of juice whilst looking for any hot spots, the place i generally used to get them would be on the first and last wrap where my wick would be falling down away from the roof of the coil.

Rayon you would wick tightish so that it squeeks against the inside of the coil as you pull it through and cotton my preferred choice for wick will shrink a little after the first few vapes, i tend to wick cotton tight also but there is a fine line becouse to tight a wick wont allow juice to flow through, only experience will help you here.

As i said above pay attention to the wick tails as they can under the weight of the juice pull the wick away from the roof of the coil at the ends.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Wick thickness is very important on any coil and is even more important on these Ti coil builds, if you havent got enough wick inside your coils then you will get hot spots where the wraps arent contacting your wick and your wire will unknowingly to you oxidize, although this can be recognised as extra or to much throat hit the best way is visually, once you have wicked and juiced your build leave the top cap off and vapourize a couple of wick fulls of juice whilst looking for any hot spots, the place i generally used to get them would be on the first and last wrap where my wick would be falling down away from the roof of the coil.

Rayon you would wick tightish so that it squeeks against the inside of the coil as you pull it through and cotton my preferred choice for wick will shrink a little after the first few vapes, i tend to wick cotton tight also but there is a fine line becouse to tight a wick wont allow juice to flow through, only experience will help you here.

As i said above pay attention to the wick tails as they can under the weight of the juice pull the wick away from the roof of the coil at the ends.

Thanks Slip and absolutely. I have paranoia about it so really stuff the wick and make sure I have contact on all the wire and preform it all juiced up under a magnifier lol.

And advice on Temp Limits on my build?
Incidentally do yourself a solid if you have not already. Buy a $15 Stumpy clone and pop a big meaty Ti build in it.....Holy She-Ite!

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

TheKman hi, when you twist say two pieces of wire together you are forming a join between the two that will hold onto juice, kind of like surface tension, even after firing the coil to vapourize this juice you will see the join refill again from the wick, you get more surface area and flavour, twisted wire tends to make juice and vapour pop from the surface more than a stnd coil although saying this if you build a contact coil you will also see the juice run into the gaps between each wrap, maybe this is the reason why they are great flavour builds also.

Claptons and Fused claptons do the same thing but have even more pockets for juice to fill and as said above by someone else? ...only the inner main wires fire up and outer wires just heat, producing a dif vape.

 

[WharfRat1976]

TheKman hi, when you twist say two pieces of wire together you are forming a join between the two that will hold onto juice, kind of like surface tension, even after firing the coil to vapourize this juice you will see the join refill again from the wick, you get more surface area and flavour, twisted wire tends to make juice and vapour pop from the surface more than a stnd coil although saying this if you build a contact coil you will also see the juice run into the gaps between each wrap, maybe this is the reason why they are great flavour builds also.

Claptons and Fused claptons do the same thing but have even more pockets for juice to fill and as said above by someone else? ...only the inner main wires fire up and outer wires just heat, producing a dif vape.

Slip, great post. I have never been a fan of twisted builds. Flavor is good, popping is miserable and they do tend to scorch wicking.

Claptons amd fused Claptons work well for a hotter, warmer vape. Simple coils always work great as well. I'm not a fan of caterpilllar, tractor coils or staples. They look great and are fun to build but the vape is lacking for me.

Thanks for the Rayon comment. I cracked out my box and stuffed a big fatty in that Ti build on my Stumpy clone and it is incredible.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Incredible hey Wharf im glad that i've made someones day and thanks for the comments

I've also been vaping simple coils for a few weeks now, i have a dual 7wrap of ss317L 2.5id with muji cotton at 70w and it doesnt get any better, i keep trying fancy coils that i used to love but keep coming back, its weird cus when i first tried ss317l i didnt like it it had a funny taste but now kanthal and nichrome seem to have the funny taste

 

[WharfRat1976]

Incredible hey Wharf im glad that i've made someones day and thanks for the comments

I've also been vaping simple coils for a few weeks now, i have a dual 7wrap of ss317L 2.5id with muji cotton at 70w and it doesnt get any better, i keep trying fancy coils that i used to love but keep coming back, its weird cus when i first tried ss317l i didnt like it it had a funny taste but now kanthal and nichrome seem to have the funny taste

Yes. I vaped alot of GPLAT before the new SS craze and liked it. I think I saw it called GPLAT Elite recently. That's a new one on me.

I alternate Ti with 317L I got from vivi...great vape no doubt. When I go back to K1 I get a bad taste now...strange.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Steam Engine Calculator shows SS316L as ELITE and SS317L as HAYWIRE, someone correct me if im wrong but i think the Elite was listed as a cloudchaser wire and the Haywire was a flavour wire, the only dif i see on paper is that to hit the same desired ohms with both wires you will need more wraps with the elite, one or two wraps more. But whatever

 

[Bru2basics]

Finally got round to making some 100% ti claptons. 26g core 32g wrap 3mm Id in the velocity 8 wraps dual comes in at .18ohm.
Running at 250°c 60w and they take a little while to heat up but the flavour blows me away!

I've just had a load of 317l turn up so moving on to stainless next. Never tried it but it's got a lot to live up to if it's gonna beat ti for flavour. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I thought gplat was just 317L in a fancy packet?

 

[greasegizzard]

I tried some Ti wire for the first time last night. It's 28awg and I've been working with 24awg kanthal. The Ti was too springy and wouldn't stay tight around the screwdriver. Any tips on how to work with this stuff?

 

[Rockwell222]

I tried some Ti wire for the first time last night. It's 28awg and I've been working with 24awg kanthal. The Ti was too springy and wouldn't stay tight around the screwdriver. Any tips on how to work with this stuff?

What kind of titanium did you get, and where did you get it? I know it's 28 gauge but certain places sell multiple brands of titanium. The first titanium wire I tried was perfect and I tried 6 or 7 other brands and a lot are springy. You need to get the not springy kind because it's tough to work with.

 

[greasegizzard]

I got it at a local shop. Not sure of the brand. It's grade 1.

What kind of titanium did you get, and where did you get it? I know it's 28 gauge but certain places sell multiple brands of titanium. The first titanium wire I tried was perfect and I tried 6 or 7 other brands and a lot are springy. You need to get the not springy kind because it's tough to work with.

 

[Bru2basics]

I've tried a few types and the less springy ones have been the vacuum annealed grade 1. It's just practice really as I've learnt to keep the tension on the coil and rod using a finger over it till I've threaded the posts and clamped the leads. If you lose the tension titanium is strong enough to pull tight with pliers once in position through the post holes provided you leave your rod/screwdriver in place. I tend to get less spring if I make contact coils and to be fair with tc I don't really care what the resistance is as long as it fires so if the coils fits it's good enough.