Since I'm just starting out with DIY juices, someone suggested I do my flavor/ratio testing with just a PG/VG mix so I don't waste my nic juice. Are others doing this? Will it be a good representation of the flavor without the NIC?
flavor testing with no nic?
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that's what I do....learned the hard way by dumping lots of juice though.
Once you hit on something you like, just add the nic and the amount of flavor you need to make it the same percentage as your nicless mix.
In other words, say you use 3 ml of pg/vg for your mix and use 10% flavoring and like it.
Your nic base is 36ml and you like to vape at 18 ml (just an easy example).
If you add 3 ml of your nic base to the 3 ml of flavored nicless base (the one you mixed with flavor and liked) then add the same amount of flavoring again, you have an 18 ml nic mix with the same flavor percentage you liked before.
Once you hit on something you like, just add the nic and the amount of flavor you need to make it the same percentage as your nicless mix.
In other words, say you use 3 ml of pg/vg for your mix and use 10% flavoring and like it.
Your nic base is 36ml and you like to vape at 18 ml (just an easy example).
If you add 3 ml of your nic base to the 3 ml of flavored nicless base (the one you mixed with flavor and liked) then add the same amount of flavoring again, you have an 18 ml nic mix with the same flavor percentage you liked before.
Yes, it's a great idea. I do it with every new creation I make. The nic will flavor it a slight bit and give it that throat hit but it shouldn't change the flavor. It's ok to mix with nic base If you are recreating a juice that has proven good to you.
I can't begin to tell you how much good ingredients I dumped down the drain while I was learning. I was treating DIY like cooking and adding too many different flavors. 
I wasted so much until I learned that fewer is better. So yes, it is best to find what you like with the least amount of waste, especially nicotine which is the priciest ingredient. Way back in the olden days there wasn't as much help as there is now...or I was just stupider.
Smart girl, Patti! I had to think about those equations a bit. LOL
I wasted so much until I learned that fewer is better. So yes, it is best to find what you like with the least amount of waste, especially nicotine which is the priciest ingredient. Way back in the olden days there wasn't as much help as there is now...or I was just stupider.Smart girl, Patti! I had to think about those equations a bit. LOL
Str8V8ping gave me the following:
20 drops PG/VG
1 drop of flavor = 5%
2 drops =10%
3 drops = 15%
and so on.
Shake (I run it under hot water then shake)and throw it on an atty to taste.
Once you figure out where you'd like to have your percentage, throw it in your calculator and make a bottle.
20 drops PG/VG
1 drop of flavor = 5%
2 drops =10%
3 drops = 15%
and so on.
Shake (I run it under hot water then shake)and throw it on an atty to taste.
Once you figure out where you'd like to have your percentage, throw it in your calculator and make a bottle.
This makes total sense if I'm halving my original Nic percentage (as in your example 36 -->18) but once I start to think about it in any ratio other than that vapor starts coming out my ears. I bought 36mg nic and like to vape at 15mg/ml. Is there a way to plug this into a calculator that makes sense, taking into account that a portion of your solution is a batch of flavored "nicless" juice?
Wait, I think I got it. if I just put in my test batch of flavored nicless juice into the calculator as flavor #1 at 50% my solution I think it works out regardless of what mg/ml of nic I select as my final. Does that make sense? Am I on track?
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Make a small test batch with out nic, i usually do 3 to 5ml testers. Once you get it right and have notes to recreate it, just make a larger batch using your nic base in place of some of the VG or PG. You can keep the test batch for future tweaking.
I can't begin to tell you how much good ingredients I dumped down the drain while I was learning. I was treating DIY like cooking and adding too many different flavors.
Smart girl, Patti! I had to think about those equations a bit. LOL
Ya, me too, that's why I tried to keep it simple lol! It's waaay too late in the day for me to be making any kind of sense
Those calculators are pretty handy things...as long as you keep good notes and plug in what you DO know (nic base, target nic, flavor percentages, etc) they can help fill in the rest
There really is no guesswork with them...SUCH a blessing!It makes sense if you are going from 36mg (which is what I have) to 18mg, but still trying to confirm the math if I go 36mg unflavored nic, add in my nicless test batch to get 15mg/ml.
Think of it this way, it sometimes makes it a little easier.
A 10ml bottle of liquid that is 15mg has a total of 150mg.
Your nic base is 36mg so divide 36 into 150 = 4.166
A 10ml bottle will need 4.166ml of 36mg base to get 15mg.
A 10ml bottle of liquid that is 15mg has a total of 150mg.
Your nic base is 36mg so divide 36 into 150 = 4.166
A 10ml bottle will need 4.166ml of 36mg base to get 15mg.
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