Flavored 48 Mg Liquid

[bribri]

Hello,

Many of you know me. I am BriBri and have been around esmoking for quite some time. I am quite concerned with the existance of FLAVORED 48 mg liquid. Quite a few users (sure probably less then .01%) have had bad experiences with 36 mg liquid. Symptoms like heart palipitations, dizziness, weakness, nausea. Basic symptoms of nicotine poisoning. Look we may not be able to do much about the possible ban of ecigs. That is the sad truth. But to not discourage those using and selling 48 mg liquid is kind of immoral. When 48 mg liquid was sold unflavored I did not have a hard time with it because that was clearly for the DIY crowd. Obviously, they were going to 'cut' the liquid. But now we have flavored 48 mg out and I think it is doing us a dis-service. How will we feel, how will we react, when and if someone has a fatal reaction to this? And also, how will the different regions of the world react to that news? I don't think am being paranoid. I think I am being realistic.

please be careful,

Brian

[I don't think this should be in the health section, as it should get full attention]

 

[niczgreat]

Actually I would buy flavored 48mg Liquid to boost the Octane of a similar flavor or add to it.
Example
My samplers of JC Johnson Creek are only 18mg. I need a minimum of 24mg to feel anything why not buy 48mg tobacco flavor or Mint flavor and mix it to raise the Octane.
Unflavored would dilute the juice so you wouldn't get much flavor.

In addition I've smoked 36mg Liquid and it doesn't poison me. Some People have a higher tolerance to Nicotine than others.

Inhaling nicotine is not an efficient way to ingest it.

 

[emus]

48 mg sounds scary to me.
Hope people have high tolerance or have the wits to dilute it.
48 mg may give govt excuse for regulation?

 

[Jayhawks]

Bri Bri I 110% agree. I feel that anyone and I mean anyone offering 48mg liquid is jeopardizing the future of e-cigs and customers health. It only takes one instance and our last straw will be plucked out from under us. I have had the opportunity to carry 48mg and I will not take on that liability for my business or the future of ecig let alone indanger my customers. As a supplier if you dont care about e-cig future, your customers or your business, then what do you care about? $$$ !!

 

[Jayhawks]

Tomzgreat,
Ok so you have been around the e-cigs long enough to understand all the info on cutting and mixing. But the problem is we have 100s on new people finding ecigs daily. They are not educated on what all the MGs mean. I have had customers get very ill on 36mg. They ordered it not understanding how it can effect you.

I was very upset when I was told that I could no longer get 36mg. But I have since understand they dont want to make it anymore and I have to agree with them

Actually I would buy flavored 48mg Liquid to boost the Octane of a similar flavor or add to it.
Example
My samplers of JC Johnson Creek are only 18mg. I need a minimum of 24mg to feel anything why not buy 48mg tobacco flavor or Mint flavor and mix it to raise the Octane.
Unflavored would dilute the juice so you wouldn't get much flavor.

In addition I've smoked 36mg Liquid and it doesn't poison me. Some People have a higher tolerance to Nicotine than others.

Inhaling nicotine is not an efficient way to ingest it.

 

[OutWest]

The more I think about it, the more I agree with you Bri Bri. Especially since we now have flavored 48 out there for sale to the general public. Someone will eventually end up in the hospital or worse, dying, from it, and that's all it'll take to shut down the ecig industry. Heck, it only took a couple of people dying from overdoing it on ephedra to get that totally banned.

 

[Ridewithme38]

4.8% Nic content? What is the MG needed per KG to be considered dangerous?

If there going to ban anything it will be because Nicotine in General would be concidered a Drug...you would need a perscription for Any strength Nic. juice

 

[OutWest]

4.8% Nic content? What is the MG needed per KG to be considered dangerous?

that depends on the person as far as heart attack and stroke are concerned.

 

[bribri]

I believe it is 40 to 60 mgs becomes toxic.. Now it gets tricky because that would have to be all at the exact same time. But I am no expert. But I mean you accidentally get a few drops on your hands, forget to wash, and then chain vape a fully loaded 48 mg peach flavored cart. I don't know. From what I understand the way it adds up and finally gets through to the bloodstream it still will be no where near that number. But that number is clearly inaccurate because we have had people pass out from vaping 36 mg... So....

 

[radiokaos]

Here is my understanding of the LD/50 for Nicotine.

48 MG's, or 1 ML (about 20 drops of 48 MG stuff) could take out a small child, large dog.

 

[OutWest]

I believe it is 40 to 60 mgs becomes toxic.. Now it gets tricky because that would have to be all at the exact same time. But I am no expert. But I mean you accidentally get a few drops on your hands, forget to wash, and then chain vape a fully loaded 48 mg peach flavored cart. I don't know. From what I understand the way it adds up and finally gets through to the bloodstream it still will be no where near that number. But that number is clearly inaccurate because we have had people pass out from vaping 36 mg... So....

The even trickier part is that (imho) it can take alot less than the MSDS lethal dose for a person to have a heart attack or stroke, especially if theyre already at risk for such a thing (and dont necessarily know it)

 

[chuckie]

can someone tell me where I can get the 48mg flavored ? I'm old enough and wise enough to the point where I don't need to be protected from myself.Besides ,that's the govmt's. job.

 

[Elendil]

can someone tell me where I can get the 48mg flavored ? I'm old enough and wise enough to the point where I don't need to be protected from myself.Besides ,that's the govmt's. job.

+1

Getting rid of alcohol would be much more productive for society as alcohol deaths outnumber 48mg nicotine deaths by a fairly wide margin.

 

[Limoncello]

I've purchases 48mg liquid and will purchase more in the future. I use it to make my own flavors, I quadruple the juice by cutting and flavoring. Now this is unflavored. Not sure how I feel about the flavored 48. The retailer I purchased from damned near wanted my house deed if I even thought about being careless with this stuff so I know he is a responsible seller. I don't have kids in the house and use gloves an am VERY careful.
Please be responsible. Don't abuse this and then blame someone else for your goofs. I think if you can't be responsible and take precautions when using..don't buy the stuff.

 

[dave8944]

I think 48mg should be okay to vape, just not to get on your skin. From the only scientific study on nicotine in a human system after vaping there seems to be only about 1/10 the amount as one would get from smoking a regular cigarette. The problem must be that while the temparture is high enough to vaporize the PG it must not be high enough to vaporize much of the nicotine. So, people must be getting a lot of their nicotine through simple absoption of the residue when loading a cart or dripping rather than through the vapor itself. I can say for certain that when I'm very careful to avoid getting the liquid nicotine on my skin while vaping and then smoke an analog I get a huge head rush. I don't get the same head rush with an analog if I had been just rubbing the residue in my fingertips as I vaped.

We'll need higher and higher nicotine content to satisfy the nicotine addiction through vaping until they create a device that gets hot enough to truly vaporize nicotine! If it did actually vaporize the nicotine at the levels advertized (24mg, 36mg, 48mg) we would be getting a rush from vaping and it would be more like a cigarette and we wouldn't need such high nicotine levels. The anecdotes about people fainting from 36mg seems most likely due to skin absorption rather than the vapor itself.

 

[Antebellum]

I, too, purchase 48mg and plan to continue to do so. I do plan to try some flavored 48, but what I'd really like to see is for somebody to offer double or 1.5x or 1.3x flavor concentration in 48mg expressly for the purpose of cutting.

I think I've found my "sweet spot" around 42mg, but with a more capable PV, it might turn out to be less. We'll see.

 

[David Bruno]

One way a seller could justify selling to a 1st time buyer, would be only taking a phone order for 48 mg. This way the seller advise the buyer of the risk and uses. Now that said, that would be time consuming for the seller. I think if I was in the business, and I am a businessman, I would possibly consider this. Just a thought.
Dave;-)

 

[Ridewithme38]

the LD50 of Nicotine is 50mg/per Kilogram, i weigh about 93kgs...so i would need 4650mg of Nicotine IN MY SYSTEM to be near the Median Lethal Dose...I would LITTERALLY have to DRINK 96.875 ML of 48mg Juice to be even NEAR the MEDIAN lethal Dose...Absorption through the skin is a long slow process(a 24mg nic. patch is worn and released over 8 hours...it has no built in delays..it just takes that long)...it would be next to impossible to poision yourself with 48mg/ml juice unless you were taking a Bath in it

 

[Myth Sammich]

the LD50 of Nicotine is 50mg/per Kilogram, i weigh about 93kgs...so i would need 4650mg of Nicotine IN MY SYSTEM to be near the Median Lethal Dose...I would LITTERALLY have to DRINK 96.875 ML of 48mg Juice to be even NEAR the MEDIAN lethal Dose...Absorption through the skin is a long slow process(a 24mg nic. patch is worn and released over 8 hours...it has no built in delays..it just takes that long)...it would be next to impossible to poision yourself with 48mg/ml juice unless you were taking a Bath in it

This is incorrect. the LD50 of Nicotine is 50mg/per Kilogram..... for a RAT.

0.5-1.0 mg/kg can be a lethal dosage for adult humans. (pulled frim the same Wiki page you used)

Quite generally though, The fatal dose of pure nicotine is approximately 40-60 mg.

 

[dave8944]

the LD50 of Nicotine is 50mg/per Kilogram, i weigh about 93kgs...so i would need 4650mg of Nicotine IN MY SYSTEM to be near the Median Lethal Dose...I would LITTERALLY have to DRINK 96.875 ML of 48mg Juice to be even NEAR the MEDIAN lethal Dose...Absorption through the skin is a long slow process(a 24mg nic. patch is worn and released over 8 hours...it has no built in delays..it just takes that long)...it would be next to impossible to poision yourself with 48mg/ml juice unless you were taking a Bath in it

This post is wrong on so many different levels. I think I calculated with the 24mg stuff I use I would be overdosed on about 5ml. No, nic patches are time released and not the same as liquid nicotine. It takes no time to absorb the nicotine from e-juice. I've run several experiments and I get a major flush, heart palpitations, and feel faint if I put half of a drop on my skin near a vein (I have little body fat and lift weights so getting it over a vein is easy). It takes about 2 seconds flat. There is a MAJOR difference in how much nicotine you get into your system from vaping versus skin absorption. The same amount vaped will do nothing to me that makes me almost pass out through skin absorption. This discrepancy is what is causing the major confusion. That along with the stupid label of "24mg" or "36mg" which makes little sense in the context of vaping. A label based on the percentage of nicotine would at least be more objective. That or give me a tool that actually vaporizes all the nicotine in drop.