I mix 20-30 drops EO with equal amounts of PGA then fill a 10ml bottle with VG. (I am PG intolerant) I then use this as a flavoring at 0.25 to 0.5%.
Flavors that may contain Diacetyl, are there really this many?
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That seems like a pretty good way of going about it, maybe I will do that, I have only VG as of now, guessing I can use distilled water in place of PGA, I read that somewhere around here...
Hmm I see, so it probably would not work without the PGA? I see, maybe I should pick up some PG, not really a fan of playing with alcohol to be 100% honest. Thank though, good not to make to many mistakes and waste to much precious oil
You know anything about tobacco Absolute Extract? Or Vanilla absolute and Cocoa Absolute? Can't seem to find much or if they differ from regular essential oils...
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An absolute would work but personally I prefer CO2 extracts. Chemically speaking it's cleaner. I also only use those derived from organic ingredients. But both of these are my personal preferences. I only eat organic so it makes sense that I would only vape organic also.
PG is a better solvent than VG so it may be able to take the place of PGA but I've never tried it. Although you should be able to steep out the PGA using only one or two drops per ml.
PG is a better solvent than VG so it may be able to take the place of PGA but I've never tried it. Although you should be able to steep out the PGA using only one or two drops per ml.
Ahh I see, I was gonna try those three, gonna try to find them in organic form because like you I mainly eat organic myself. Seems those extracts only come in absolute form, seems harder to find a high quality source for them also. I am gonna probably try it with ecigexpress.com unflavored Nicotine liquid and some Absolute Tobacco/Vanilla to make a healthy(Well as much as possible) version of the pre made E-Liquid he is currently using.
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just wanted to say thanks again for pointing me to mountain oak vapors. i ordered three flavors a few days ago, one called Blue Drop, and it's become my new favorite ADV. glad i found a new flavor i like that's also Diacetyl free. w00t!
just wanted to say thanks again for pointing me to mountain oak vapors. i ordered three flavors a few days ago, one called Blue Drop, and it's become my new favorite ADV. glad i found a new flavor i like that's also Diacetyl free. w00t!
Yeah that place seems like the best spot(Or one of them, I heard Halo is also on the up and up?) if you do want flavors and want to avoid the bad thats known. Nice to hear they worked out for you.
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I totally disagree with your take on this. I always read the fact section of a eliguid vendor and very few of them state where their product 4 yrs later are free of the offensive chemicals. If I do not see the information in writing on a web site I would not trust a sales associates word for it. Why doesn't everyone post their MSDS sheets and have open disclosure.
I know this doesn't mean that NOTHING on that site is valuable, but they also push a vaccine denial agenda. Vaccine denial is so irresponsible that it's one of those things that makes you question everything else that someone says. Completely decimates credibility.
After reading this I have a question. This thread isn't in the beginner section as a must read sticky because....? This forum is about information, how-to's, do's and don'ts but this very important thread is buried in the DIY sub folder? I must say it was very eye opening and educational. I will be weaning myself from vaping as soon as possible without going back to cigarettes...that is my solution! How about informing others about the risks of the chemicals in the flavoring's that so many people flock toward?
Information, yes. Speculation? There's plenty of that.
I'm close to 5 years vaping it. My health continues to improve. There are many like me.
To be real information there has to be real proof. Otherwise it is just speculation spread as truth. You'll notice most of the dosages given don't account for air dillution. You'll also note than brewers are subject to concentrations above the government standard of safe exposure, but there have been no documented cases of a brewer having the issue.
Everyone is free to investigate and determine for themselves what they want, or don't want, to vape. If this really concerns you, then your best bet is to go with unflavored as that is the best way to avoid any contact with this chemical while vaping. There are many vapers who have gone this route and most that I know didn't do it for this reason, but really because they enjoy it more that way.
I'm close to 5 years vaping it. My health continues to improve. There are many like me.
To be real information there has to be real proof. Otherwise it is just speculation spread as truth. You'll notice most of the dosages given don't account for air dillution. You'll also note than brewers are subject to concentrations above the government standard of safe exposure, but there have been no documented cases of a brewer having the issue.
Everyone is free to investigate and determine for themselves what they want, or don't want, to vape. If this really concerns you, then your best bet is to go with unflavored as that is the best way to avoid any contact with this chemical while vaping. There are many vapers who have gone this route and most that I know didn't do it for this reason, but really because they enjoy it more that way.
Good info...this should be posted in the beginner section also
Agree with speculation aspect.. however if there are those in the community that may want to vape w/o flavors then this is an excellent tutorial for the cause. Since reading this I have also read A new study verifies the lower risk-potential of e-cigarettes but identifies an avoidable risk which is in support of ecig and vaping but also alerts people of another demon lurking. Its my opinion that others should, at least, be informed of other chemicals that they may be exposed to while trying to become cigarette / smoke free. I like the idea of, lets call it, naked vaping and will do some research into that. Thank for the reply - vape on
I don't see anything flawed in the study, thus I don't understand why you speak of speculation. Some liquids are above the safety limit, it's just a fact.
It doesn't really bother me for many reasons but I won't say it's false information.
It doesn't really bother me for many reasons but I won't say it's false information.
I think this information should be somewhere on this forum for all to read. If all of us are not aware of this situation, how can we change it as a group?
If we do not, as an entire group, ban companies who do not offer safer flavorings in their product, then nothing will be done to solve this problem. As long as we keep buying from companies that are not willing to disclose these ingredients, they will keep making them and we will keep buying them because this information was not shared with the entire community and I am sure there are many new people who are not even aware of this problem, I wasn't. These issues can not be resolved unless they are done as a whole. I have emailed all companies that I have purchased e-liquids from and most responded with an answer to my questions, however, some responded with no real answers, so this tells us something. In reading the article in the link I posted, it appears that these chemicals were even in liquids on some of the companies that claimed on their sites that their product was Diacetyl free, this is on the bottom of the page after you read the article.
If we do not, as an entire group, ban companies who do not offer safer flavorings in their product, then nothing will be done to solve this problem. As long as we keep buying from companies that are not willing to disclose these ingredients, they will keep making them and we will keep buying them because this information was not shared with the entire community and I am sure there are many new people who are not even aware of this problem, I wasn't. These issues can not be resolved unless they are done as a whole. I have emailed all companies that I have purchased e-liquids from and most responded with an answer to my questions, however, some responded with no real answers, so this tells us something. In reading the article in the link I posted, it appears that these chemicals were even in liquids on some of the companies that claimed on their sites that their product was Diacetyl free, this is on the bottom of the page after you read the article.
I don't see anything flawed with the study either. I see folks speculating about what it means.
Juice is above the limit...and we inhale juice? No, we inhale 100's of ml of air and a fraction of a ml if juice. Dilution.
Anything cooked on a grill contains carcinogens...according to a few good studies, but what does that mean to health and the human body?
Brewers are exposed, above the safe limit, but after the human race doing open vat brewing for 100's of years, it was popcorn factory workers who first came down with the disease that this chemical causes. It's called popcorn lung, not brewer lung. Why?
Some folks see a chemical name and go to dark places in their head. Formaldehyde, every human exhales it every breath. Formaldehyde causes cancer. Should we note that all exhaled vapor contains formaldehyde? (Oddly exhaled vapor contains less than a normal breath. This should also be studied)
The safe exposure limit , how accurate is it? Why do the reported cases all come from areas that the walls and grounds were yellow with this stuff and it hung in the air like a fog? Why not brewers or dairy workers?
I see speculation in what the study's numbers mean for vapers exposure and what real impacts that exposure has.
The study creates more questions than it answered. Which is what a good study does.
Truly awesome post, Hoosier.
I live in a largely unpolluted region, on a sustainable/organic horse farm. I eat local food whenever possible, and avoid processed, mass-produced crap insofar as I can. I'm not cavalier about ingesting toxins at all, but . . . I dunno. I do get the impression that there's actually very little to go on here, so I'm going to defer panic for the time being.
I'll continue to use flavors that taste good at low percentages, and try to avoid chain-vaping on general principle. Beyond that, I think I'll just chill. I'm very glad that these issues are being studied, and I look forward to seeing the results, but I'm not going to go bananas in the meantime.
Yes. This, specifically, is the part that has me somewhat baffled.
I live in a largely unpolluted region, on a sustainable/organic horse farm. I eat local food whenever possible, and avoid processed, mass-produced crap insofar as I can. I'm not cavalier about ingesting toxins at all, but . . . I dunno. I do get the impression that there's actually very little to go on here, so I'm going to defer panic for the time being.
I'll continue to use flavors that taste good at low percentages, and try to avoid chain-vaping on general principle. Beyond that, I think I'll just chill. I'm very glad that these issues are being studied, and I look forward to seeing the results, but I'm not going to go bananas in the meantime.
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