FlavourArt Flavors Inc Making Battle Plan

[SpaceMonkeyJ]

So I Have Some Flavourart Comming soon i would like to hear you guys think.
The flavors are
Carmel
Almond
Mix nut
Vanilla
Black Cherry
CamT
Desert Ship

Im Going to use 10 ml bottles fill with pg
BY my calculations 3 drops would be about 1% .
On the tobaccos start with 1% and let steep for one week then add 1% at a time .
Fruits start at 3-4% let steep 1-2 days adding 1-3% as needed .
Carmel,nuts, and vanilla at 5% steep 1-2 days adding 1-3% .

What do you think about the steep times?

Once i get single flavors right im going to start mixing them together in very small mixes 1-10 drops each and find good ratios. then once im happy add some nic(might need it to be stronger than i want before adding nic)

Any tips on this?

My goal is the ultimate juice with all my favorite flavors or at least some different recipes/combos

Any suggestions , thoughts?

Thanks.

 

[panachronic]

Thoughts...

Drops are fine just for playing around, but if you want to repeat a mix later, syringes are the only way to go.

I think you'll find that most FA flavors are optimum at 3-6%.

You're also going to find that mixing flavors together doesn't always yield the expected results. But it works out often enough that it's worthwhile to experiment. Just keep in mind that artificial flavors don't necessarily blend the same way as their natural equivalents.

Desert Ship is good stuff. I vape it by itself at 6%.

Steeping is overrated. Yes, flavors need some time to mature. But you can generally tell whether or not a mix is going to work out within just a couple of hours.

 

[SpaceMonkeyJ]

if i use a syringe and want to start at 1% . I would be still adding drops. What i could do to be more presise is make a 10% by measuring 1ml flavor in 9mls pg then get another 10 ml bottle and add 10% of that diluted flavor that would make 1% flavor. Add in 1 ml (1%) incriments or as needed. would that be a more accurate way to do it?

 

[Hoosier]

May I suggest 1ml/cc syringes?

Each mark is 0.02ml.

I have a different take on tobaccos, than pana, but you really need to get started before going into all that.

 

[panachronic]

May I suggest 1ml/cc syringes?

Each mark is 0.02ml.

I have a different take on tobaccos, than pana, but you really need to get started before going into all that.

Do you think I'm mixing my Desert Ship too strong? Talk to me.

 

[SpaceMonkeyJ]

thanks guys im going to get some 1 ml syringes. Now i can go back to my original plan. Appreciate the help

 

[Hoosier]

Do you think I'm mixing my Desert Ship too strong? Talk to me.

No, quite the contrary. I've found that most, not all, but the vast majority of FA's tobacco flavors are unique and my flavoring level chart does not apply.

They have different tastes depending on the percentage, but at higher (above 6% usually) percentages steeping is a must as they taste nothing like they will after steeping as compared to right after mixing.

So someone could be mixing Desert Ship at 2% and enjoy it, but it tastes different than your mix and mixing it at 12% tastes different yet again. There may be notes in common between them all, but not always. It's very odd and only serves to make mixing tobacco flavors a jugggling act.

So, here's my challenge to you. Mix a batch at 6% and another at 12% and throw them both in a drawer and ignore them for at least 2 weeks, but longer doesn't hurt. Then taste them. Then throw them together half and half and try that. Desert Ship is not be best example of this phenom, but it will be different than you expect.

I'm not sure there is a "wrong" % for tobaccos. I tend to use Burley at extremely low levels with other tobaccos because it will add a depth, but by itself it is a flat sweet general tobacco flavor at higher levels and has to go pretty high to get a "proper bite" to it.

 

[Rule62]

Burley works well for me at 3%. I'm partial to FA tobaccos. The only one I'm not real fond of is Perique Black.

 

[panachronic]

No, quite the contrary. I've found that most, not all, but the vast majority of FA's tobacco flavors are unique and my flavoring level chart does not apply.

They have different tastes depending on the percentage, but at higher (above 6% usually) percentages steeping is a must as they taste nothing like they will after steeping as compared to right after mixing.

So someone could be mixing Desert Ship at 2% and enjoy it, but it tastes different than your mix and mixing it at 12% tastes different yet again. There may be notes in common between them all, but not always. It's very odd and only serves to make mixing tobacco flavors a jugggling act.

So, here's my challenge to you. Mix a batch at 6% and another at 12% and throw them both in a drawer and ignore them for at least 2 weeks, but longer doesn't hurt. Then taste them. Then throw them together half and half and try that. Desert Ship is not be best example of this phenom, but it will be different than you expect.

I'm not sure there is a "wrong" % for tobaccos. I tend to use Burley at extremely low levels with other tobaccos because it will add a depth, but by itself it is a flat sweet general tobacco flavor at higher levels and has to go pretty high to get a "proper bite" to it.

OK, I see what you're saying. Obviously, you have way more experience than I do. Especially with tobaccos, which I have only just begun to play with.

Maybe I should clarify my earlier statement on steeping. What I was trying to put across is that a newbie could easily misunderstand, and think that a juice shouldn't even be tried until it has steeped for some indeterminate length of time. I was just trying to dispell that notion. Sure, steeping makes a huge difference. But a bad mix will be bad almost immediately, and a good mix will be good almost immediately, even if it does improve with age. That's all I was trying to say.

 

[Hoosier]

Right, the only time steeping usually has an impact towards better is with tobaccos, but even then it's not an absolute.

Otherwise it is a "could" help.

I'm completely with you there.

 

[micksf]

just an fyi, I find DS very good at 2%. one week steep good, two week steep better.