Focalecig chat...Part 2

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Oh yeah .. I built the kayfun V4 clone today, and so far its very nice and I would consider it an improvement in some ways, namely the air flow. The one downside is that changing tanks (SS to Glass to PC) is more involved, and the bolt that holds it all together takes a year to screw off.

So far no leaking, or issues .. still playing with the airflow to see where I like. But its a nice solid, beefy atomizer. The Aqua V2 still beats it on flavor though, but we will see if anything changes as my new coil and wick break in.
Don't know what you're wicking with these days but rayon requires no 'break in' and gives excellent flavor and performance in general. There's an active thread on it... be glad to forward you some to try...
 

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Don't know what you're wicking with these days but rayon requires no 'break in' and gives excellent flavor and performance in general. There's an active thread on it... be glad to forward you some to try...

I'll 2nd that, it's all I use now in everything. No break in, better & cleaner flavor and nic hit, juice flows much better, last much longer, can take a dry hit without damage the majority of the time and it's so inexpensive, 500 feet for $14 A little bit of a learning curve, can't wick like it's cotton and expect results but it's so worth it once you get it right. Two weeks on a Kanger Protank head with zero flooding, yeah it works great. And I've used both high VG and high PG ratio's.
 

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The black isn't black. Its not even charcoal, lol! Its also very slippery! Going to wrap it with carbon fiber. Just wanted to let you know its most definitely not black.
I also heard that the black is more like a gun metal. Send Doris an email and ask her though :)
Good idea. Just generally don't think of contacting a troubleshooter when its not really a problem. Then again if I was expecting black and got gun metal there'd be a problem ;)
I know, the Flash e Vapor is not very popular here, but for those who like it or like slim mods, arrived the Flash e Vapor VS, a 17mm version, today. It performs as good as it`s big brother. Made by Hotcig, who made a very good job on the FeV V3 ( fits perfect on a Kato or Ignition mod).
Completely missed that it was a 17mm design. I seem to remember being told the full sized one is an upside down genny. Is the VS the same type of design?
Should jump in here with a quick comment. The Fogger V5 comes in a silver or black mini 17mm version. Single coil build. Reminds me of building a Kayfun mini 2.1 but with a top build design and somewhat adjustable airflow. Prefer it to the 17mm Ivogo Baby Kayfun also. Its a great small atomizer for the crop of mini vv/vw devices like the iStick. I'll wait a bit before getting more hoping that focalecig eventually carries it.
I'll 2nd that, it's all I use now in everything. No break in, better & cleaner flavor and nic hit, juice flows much better, last much longer, can take a dry hit without damage the majority of the time and it's so inexpensive, 500 feet for $14 A little bit of a learning curve, can't wick like it's cotton and expect results but it's so worth it once you get it right. Two weeks on a Kanger Protank head with zero flooding, yeah it works great. And I've used both high VG and high PG ratio's.
I'll also chime in with a Rayon's great comment too.

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Yep, they will sell a lot of them at that price,







NOT.......






Are they for real. :confused:

Unfortunately yes, they are :glare: .. I am especially offended by a Chinese manufacturer thinking that they can set the rules for what happens in OUR MARKET. It is a privilege for them to be able to sell anything in the US market, and Yihi would benefit from a dose of humility. I read a post from I think an American living in China who tried to buy a SXmini from Varitube.com which was then canceled by Varitube because they are not allowed to ship to China :glare:


Clearly I like the Sxmini, it's a nice device, very sexy .. but I do not like Yihi the company at all. But if US vendors are willing to bow down to Yihi, and allow themselves to be stripped of the right to sell product at a price that each one deems fair and appropriate for their business in OUR free market, then I feel sad for them.

Do any US modders or ecig manufacturers have MAP policies? This is a serious question too ..
 

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I'll be waiting on the flavor verdict. So far 2 people told me its better than the Rose. I don't believe it :D

So far I would not say that the flavor is better than the Rose, but its a different vape though. The Kayfun V4 is potentially more airy (greater adjust-ability), and the flavor is not a sharp as the Rose.
 
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Why not? Vapor Flasks are $300. Hanas are $250. Its better than both of them.

I will never understand how anyone ever thought that the Hana Modz is worth $250, its baffling to me. The Vapor Flask I find to be more worth its price point. However, if anyone was in the Market for the Vapor Shark then I would say the SXmini is definitely more worth the $189.

And for the record I don't think that the SXmini is over priced, I just don't like that they feel like they need to force pricing, and try to control "who" purchases their product. This is the only thing that I have a problem with. I think they could command that price point without the hyper-delusional control tactics .. I think in the long run it will back fire on them.
 

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I've actually sent my kayfuns packing. So I'm having a hard time believing the K4 is better than the Rose :laugh: I do also very much like the Lemo, Aquav2 and SquapeR (I discovered the great flavor build due to Chucky's crummy deck, lol! Had Chucky not sucked, I would never have known it was there). I like my Orchid a lot with one particular juice.

I don't know if any other modders have a MAP, but I suspect they do. Some items are just plain the exact same price everywhere.

The VFs with the DNA30s were nice. The QC on the DNA40s has totally nosedived. They are outsourcing machining to meet demand. Battery openings two different sizes, battery openings batterys don't fit in, scratches all over, crooked screens, fried boards. If someone gave me the money, I still wouldn't buy one right now :( That was the mod I most wanted until 2 months ago. Its not worth $300 anymore, sadly. I'm much happier so far with the SX mini.
 

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I know, the Flash e Vapor is not very popular here, but for those who like it or like slim mods, arrived the Flash e Vapor VS, a 17mm version, today. It performs as good as it`s big brother. Made by Hotcig, who made a very good job on the FeV V3 ( fits perfect on a Kato or Ignition mod).

$21.71 Flash e Vapor VS Style Rebuildable Atomizer - Stainless Steel

I have seen this and it reminded me of a penelope kinda, and at the same time it rewound my clock about 2 years. What is it exactly a old school taifoon sorta?
 

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Yup, that is true about the MAP. No vendor is allowed to "publicly" list the SXmini for less than $189 as a condition of supply. If they do, Yihi will blacklist them for life as per their own statements. :glare:

Priced that high they are not in competition with their customers, and only single cell at 60w helps also. The did set the bar high though for quality and ergonomics will be interesting to see what people come up with.

A ZNA is 3 bills..........you dont get much from them for that much money
 

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Don't know what you're wicking with these days but rayon requires no 'break in'

I really do not notice much of a break in with cotton, it does have a taste to hit for the first few puffs but its not offensive at all I rather like it. I tried natural hemp fibre and it was horrible, the after taste was to much for me. I had thought of trying rayon but it seemed to pass quickly in popularity and forgot about it. Does it rreally last longer, and can you rinse out with water and keep using it as told. Or is it like cotton and when its broke down or nasty just change it.
 

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Do any US modders or ecig manufacturers have MAP policies? This is a serious question too ..

I think so, and I do know that some modders and vendors will not ship out of the states and especially to china for the clone reason. You know its going to get cloned no matter what. I'd say yihi wont sell to china for copyright reasons just like inokin. I agree what you said about the hana modz and other builders. I dont see how they are worth the money, seriously over 2 bills for a DNA? I think its a waste. Yihi has cornered the market when it comes to dc converters. Like I said before at 190 it gives room for its customers to sell their product with a profit in mind. I think that was their reasoning but I could be wrong.
 
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I've actually sent my kayfuns packing. So I'm having a hard time believing the K4 is better than the Rose :laugh: I do also very much like the Lemo, Aquav2 and SquapeR (I discovered the great flavor build due to Chucky's crummy deck, lol! Had Chucky not sucked, I would never have known it was there). I like my Orchid a lot with one particular juice.

I don't know if any other modders have a MAP, but I suspect they do. Some items are just plain the exact same price everywhere.

The VFs with the DNA30s were nice. The QC on the DNA40s has totally nosedived. They are outsourcing machining to meet demand. Battery openings two different sizes, battery openings batterys don't fit in, scratches all over, crooked screens, fried boards. If someone gave me the money, I still wouldn't buy one right now :( That was the mod I most wanted until 2 months ago. Its not worth $300 anymore, sadly. I'm much happier so far with the SX mini.

I was lucky it seems to get a good working DNA40 board with my Vapor Shark which has been sent off to their new owner :laugh: It just wasnt for me even as I had no issues with it.

I had not heard about the issues with the VF though. And like you I was REALLY into the VF a couple of months ago, but my giddy excitement kinda worn off. I do have a VF 40W clone sample on order, but it has been delayed due to testing the temperature control chip the manufacturer is trying to clone :blink: Which I think is a bad idea, I didn't even realize until early last week that they were trying to clone the temp protection feature. I thought they were just going to make a 40W chip ..

Wouldn't it be crazy if a clone manufacturer did a better job with the temp protection?
 

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I think so, and I do know that some modders and vendors will not ship out of the states and especially to china for the clone reason. You know its going to get cloned no matter what. I'd say yihi wont sell to china for copyright reasons just like inokin. I agree what you said about the hana modz and other builders. I dont see how they are worth the money, seriously over 2 bills for a DNA? I think its a waste. Yihi has cornered the market when it comes to dc converters. Like I said before at 190 it gives room for its customers to sell their product with a profit in mind. I think that was their reasoning but I could be wrong.

I hope it doesn't get cloned really, but I am a firm believer in "you attract what you fear". I will buy an authentic as long as I feel it is worth it, and more often than not I don't think that most are worth what is asked.

I would have an authentic Kayfun V4 right now if it were in stock .. but it ain't. Although I am not sure its worth $180, but I got it in my mind that it would be fun to do a comparison review with the clone, so that made it worth it to me :laugh: But I will not wait and wait for it though. I literally just picked up an authentic Aqua V2, batch 1 shark (score, thanks Rox), and I do feel its worth the price especially after trying the clone first, which I love. :)
 

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I really do not notice much of a break in with cotton, it does have a taste to hit for the first few puffs but its not offensive at all I rather like it. I tried natural hemp fibre and it was horrible, the after taste was to much for me. I had thought of trying rayon but it seemed to pass quickly in popularity and forgot about it. Does it rreally last longer, and can you rinse out with water and keep using it as told. Or is it like cotton and when its broke down or nasty just change it.

For me, all new builds have a break in period, regardless of wick or atty used. The flavor is always better after a full day of use, at least for me, and that is across the board.
 

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I really do not notice much of a break in with cotton, it does have a taste to hit for the first few puffs but its not offensive at all I rather like it. I tried natural hemp fibre and it was horrible, the after taste was to much for me. I had thought of trying rayon but it seemed to pass quickly in popularity and forgot about it. Does it rreally last longer, and can you rinse out with water and keep using it as told. Or is it like cotton and when its broke down or nasty just change it.
If you enjoy cotton wicks, you really need to try rayon. And actually rayon is more popular now than ever. In the beginning there was some misunderstanding of what rayon actually is- and is not. And there was and still is some misinformation regarding the efficacy and safety of using rayon for wicks. Don't want to hijack the thread so best I can say to do is use the link in my last post, it will direct you to another link that has some of the main talking points regarding rayon wicks.

It's true that rayon wicks rinse out practically pure white, even after a lot of use. But while "recycling" rayon wicks by rinsing them out could be done, I'd recommend just replacing the wick when replacing or cleaning/dry burning the coil. Personally I like a fresh coil and a fresh wick to go with it, I find nothing is as good.

On another note- damn, is it just me or is it cold in here? lol
 
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