Fog Machine Fog Causes Decrease in Lung Function - Comparison to e-Cigs

[crazyfl3x]

hmmm....

decrease in lung function vs. cancer and inhaling 4,000 plus chemicals into my body that is poisonous?

I'll take my chances as well. I'm not about to believe that the ecig is worse than the analog.

Even if the fog from the fog machines and the what you're inhaling from your e-cig were EXACTLY the same (and they aren't), the results from the study STILL wouldn't mean that e-cigs are worse than an analog.

All they came up with was a decrease in lung function...that's it. That's not even comparing the decrease in lung function from the fog and the decrease in lung function compared to cigarettes (and I'd bet that the latter of the those is far worse).

 

[Drozd]

and based on all those articles I linked to the amount that you'd have to vape to really see any adverse effects is absolutely insane..like living in a fog of it to the point of saturation for months at a time

 

[crashtestjeep]

Well, regardless of articles found, glad ur making the switch and hope ur ecig gets to u fast and you enjoy it Good luck and welcome to ECF!!!!

 

[bobbysox10]

I believe that just because a FOG machine is PG based doesn't necessarily mean an e-liquid that is PG based would have the same effects. Other things need to be taken into consideration. How much PG is in the FOG Machine and how much is in the E-Liquid. Some people are around a fog machine for hours straight, IDK about anyone else but I have smoked my PV for hours straight. I agree that it is as good as a comparison that your going to find but I don't think that you nor anyone else should believe that PG based e-liquids caused decreased lung function.

 

[AlexTM]

I think it is slightly naive to assume that vaping does not have any effect on lung funktion. It just has presumably a lot less of it than analogs. Which happens to be good enough for me.

 

[Drozd]

I believe that just because a FOG machine is PG based doesn't necessarily mean an e-liquid that is PG based would have the same effects. Other things need to be taken into consideration. How much PG is in the FOG Machine and how much is in the E-Liquid. Some people are around a fog machine for hours straight, IDK about anyone else but I have smoked my PV for hours straight. I agree that it is as good as a comparison that your going to find but I don't think that you nor anyone else should believe that PG based e-liquids caused decreased lung function.

Exactly the point I was getting to with those links..look at the nasa study..they were looking at PG for use in the space station and were calculating PG in parts per million all the way out to 1000 day timespans ..all the way out to 1000 day timespan exposure with fairly limited side effects was at 1ppm which converts to 3.5 mg/m3 constant exposure...
Really have any idea how much vaping you'd have to do to even approach that level..
And the only real vapor exposure experiment on humans that I've seen reference to is:Wieslander et al. (2001) studied the acute ocular and respiratory effects of experimental exposure to PG in an aviation emergency training simulator. Nonasthmatic volunteers (22 men and 5 women) were exposed in an aircraft simulator to PG mist over 1 min to concentrations ranging from 176 to 851 milligrams per cubic meter (mg/m3) (geometric mean concentration of PG was 309 mg/m3).

Hmm an average of 309 mg/m³ in a minute... the amount of vaping we'd have to do to even approach that... it's unfathomable (well maybe CTJ could get close with all her chucks (just kidding))

 

[Whitbit]

I used to smoke cigarrettes - the long term effects of that are death.

I agree. 100%

However, You have to consider the levels of concentration, and the type of PG. There is a thread somewhere I read yesterday (sorry I cant locate it for you atm) there is actually different grades of pg. PG can have different additives. Plus, the smaller amounts inhaled could be assumed to have smaller risks.

I guess it just depends on the dedication you have to quitting. And I, for one.. am 100% dedicated. I have finally found my solution and couldnt be more happy. My friends and family are soon to get the best of it.

 

[beast775]

i played in a metal band in the 80s,and the smoke from those huge machines would actually choke me and everyone around them.i will never forget that smell,its not the same smell as my pv.and the fog machines the big ones have really thick smoke,i can remember people putting there t-shirts over there faces it was so bad.i can imagine testing one of those guys that run one for yrs, most that i knew were really heavy smokers also.8-o

 

[Remie]

i played in a metal band in the 80s,and the smoke from those huge machines would actually choke me and everyone around them.i will never forget that smell,its not the same smell as my pv.and the fog machines the big ones have really thick smoke,i can remember people putting there t-shirts over there faces it was so bad.i can imagine testing one of those guys that run one for yrs, most that i knew were really heavy smokers also.8-o

I could never stand the smell that came out of those fog machines! It used to make me feel sick to my stomach. Even after the show when everyone was packing up gear, it would linger. It would really hang around for a long time too and the smell seemed to cling to everything. arrgh I can still *feel* the smell of it in my head when I think about it.

I can't even equate the vapor from my e-cig to that - it's not even on the same planet.

 

[Gamer]

I don't really see how a fog machine and esmoking can even begin to compare. Even the amount inhaled in each case is different. however this does get me thinking... hmmm fill my Fog machine with E liquid.... hmmmm if i don't come back y'all know why! Time to go prove a point!

 

[Remie]

lol Gamer - if you're not back by tomorrow, I'll send "search and rescue" to dig you out

 

[savagemyth]

Thanks for this thread. After reading it and doing additional research, I now understand that it's unwise to use either types of e-juice exclusively, It's important to have a mix of the two to balance safety, flavor, and vapor production. I'll be keeping my mixes now no more than 60/40 PG/VG

 

[miss MiA]

Thanks for this thread. After reading it and doing additional research, I now understand that it's unwise to use either types of e-juice exclusively, It's important to have a mix of the two to balance safety, flavor, and vapor production. I'll be keeping my mixes now no more than 60/40 PG/VG

Some amount of mixing is definitely a popular approach for reasons that vary by the individual, but for the skimmers out there and in case the thread ends now, I just wanted to clarify that the above was actually not a conclusion of or subject brought up in this particular thread. It was also not proposed that due to something discussed here or elsewhere, adding VG might be a good or safer plan, etc. Basically it cited previous encouraging research and info about PG; discussed reasons why vaping it might not be so similar to fog machine and typical fog machine venue conditions; and acknowledged that it may well be too much to expect that it would be completely ok to inhale anything into ones lungs on a regular basis that isn't meant to be there.

Anyway. Choosing not to use fairly large ratios of both PG and VG isn't something I see getting characterized as "unwise." And of course it's all dependent on which angle it's being looked at from and what a given person's primary objectives are, e.g. some like lots of vapor, some don't or want greatest stealth more. Some have a preference due to effect on flavor. And while some do find that one or the other or a combo sits better with their own system, beyond that, there isn't any 'evidence' or reason to believe that VG might be safer. If anything more reason to think it might be less so, and less is known about it in this type of context. At least there are some good things known about PG in a related context. (How or if they translate still undetermined.)

In the end most ppl seem to just go with whatever concoction their own system tolerates best and that tastes and vapes to their liking.

Ok yada yada yada! Good that the thread was helpful to you as part of your decision-making compilation, savagemyth. Yup lots of useful and interesting stuff around here!

 

[Dudeman]

The affects of vaping are likely to be much safer than a lot of the prescription drugs approved by the FDA over the last 20 years. Less side effects as well.

That, coupled with the fact that smoking analogs is a proven killer is all the information I needed to make the switch.

 

[bassn99]

I've been analog free for going on 7 months now.
I vape ALOT. 50 times more than I ever smoked, I'm convinced I am not getting anywhere close to the nicotine intake I got with analogs. Well let me clarify that, I am not getting something that the analogs gave me. The biggest side effects I have had is DRY SKIN, and musle cramps. Of course the dry skin could also be attributed to me liking very hot showers and it is winter time. The cramps, so I've read could be attributed to the PG in the vapor I am inhaling. Or, could it be that I've not been physically as active for the past three months?
All I can say is, I still have thoughts of firing up an analog, although I would not do it because after 30 years of smoking I know what the consequenses are. If inhaling PG/VG from my personal vaporiser is ever proven to be bad for me I don't think I could ever inhale smoke again.
Just my 2 cents.

 

[ThePuck]

coughing, dry throat, headaches, dizziness, drowsiness, and tiredness

Over six months of vaping and these side effects were what I got with regular analogs, not e-cigs. I have no side affects from vaping except I can smell and taste, no coughing, no tiredness, I can breathe better.

Some people do have reactions to PG but only a handful that I can see compared to all of the people that actually use PVs. The tests were sparked by actors who had reactions to the "fog juice" which if they tried to use an e-cig, would most likely had the same reactions. I've worked with some productions where we used fog juice quite heavily and never had one reaction, which is why when using a PV, I have no reaction.

Certain people's bodies just have reactions to PG which are most likely have a lot to do with the study. A lot of People have reactions to a lot of things,... like peanuts.