For purists (kind of)

[HighTech]

If it is organic RYO tobbaco, then the only thing leaching out should be the flavor of the leaf and the nicotine. The organic should not have all the pestocides and presevitives and additional stuff they add to tobbaco. All of the other carcinogens are from the burning process. At least you know what is in this juice, best would be to grow your own IMO.
Dan

From Wikipedia: Tobacco-specific nitrosamines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One of the most important groups of carcinogens in tobacco and tobacco smoke is the tobacco-specific nitrosamines. These nitrosamine carcinogens are formed from nicotine and related compounds by a nitrosation reaction that occurs during the curing and processing of tobacco. They are called tobacco-specific nitrosamines because they are found only in tobacco products (and possibly in some other nicotine-containing products). Thus the tobacco-specific nitrosamines are present in both "smokeless" tobacco products such as oral snuff and in cigarette smoke. They are the most prevalent strong carcinogens in "smokeless" tobacco products, occurring at much higher levels than in any other marketed product designed for oral use. They are among the most important carcinogens in cigarette smoke, along with combustion products and other carcinogens.

There is still bad stuff in organic tobacco... the nitrosamines will leech out along with the nicotine, albeit, it is still probably safer than smoking one.

 

[vapola]

Well, this is bad news then. Apparently tobacco nitrosamines (cancer causing chemicals) appear in tobacco as a process of tobacco growing or curing or processing. I did some googling and found out that all nicotine products contains some level of tobacco nitrosamines, including nicotine replacement products such as nicotine gum or smokeless tobacco.Apparently there is no easy way to extract pure nicotine from tobacco (The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: Potent Carcinogens (Tobacco-Specific Nitrosamines) Found in Saliva of Nicotine Gum Users; When Will FDA Take Enforcement Action Against Nicorette?). This means that all commercial e-liquid contains (most likely) some of these carcinogens. Unfortunately. Is it still better than smoking? I think so, absolutely.... But it is not as perfectly pure as I hoped.

By the way, nitrosamines are present in cured foods like bacon and lunch meats and that is why I never buy them, except for naturally cured ones that do not contain sodium nitrite.

 

[sunray73]

Just take the next step towards your health and just drop the Nicotine. grab a patch or something for a while. Nicotine is something I don't think you'll miss after a while. You'll be too busy mixing flavors and making new batches to try. I dunno maybe it's just me but I don't wake up in the morning thinking mmmm... where's that Nicotine! might take a little bit to get use to, but then hey, you can honestly say 'I am not addicted, I choose to smoke'

 

[Scubabatdan]

From Wikipedia: Tobacco-specific nitrosamines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One of the most important groups of carcinogens in tobacco and tobacco smoke is the tobacco-specific nitrosamines. These nitrosamine carcinogens are formed from nicotine and related compounds by a nitrosation reaction that occurs during the curing and processing of tobacco. They are called tobacco-specific nitrosamines because they are found only in tobacco products (and possibly in some other nicotine-containing products). Thus the tobacco-specific nitrosamines are present in both "smokeless" tobacco products such as oral snuff and in cigarette smoke. They are the most prevalent strong carcinogens in "smokeless" tobacco products, occurring at much higher levels than in any other marketed product designed for oral use. They are among the most important carcinogens in cigarette smoke, along with combustion products and other carcinogens.

There is still bad stuff in organic tobacco... the nitrosamines will leech out along with the nicotine, albeit, it is still probably safer than smoking one.

Right you are that is why I am tying the apple method, 5 more days to go and we will see what it is like.

If you havent read on the apple method, they take the cut leaf, boil water, add the leaf and wait for it to cool. Then add in an apple, seal and let it set for a week. The idea is at the end of a week you take the apple out and wash it. While in the tobacco soup it absorbs the nic. Then after a nice bath you put it in a blender and beat it to pulp and press the juice out which should contain high nic levels with out all the other stuff. But I am sure it will transfer some of the Tobacco-Specific Nitrosamines. Well we will see what happens.

My apple taking a bath

Dan

 

[dee5]

Ok, but did you use an organic apple? Because, you know, they spray all kinds of pesticides and herbicides on apples.....

 

[Scubabatdan]

Ok, but did you use an organic apple? Because, you know, they spray all kinds of pesticides and herbicides on apples.....

LOL Dang! @^%$@ I overlook one step...
Maybe this is how the witch made the poison apple for Snow White!

 

[vapola]

Ok, but did you use an organic apple? Because, you know, they spray all kinds of pesticides and herbicides on apples.....

You can laugh all you want, but no one is making you read this thread, unless you are "a purist, kind of..." Don't worry I am already acutely aware of the conflict between smoking analogs/vaping and the organic natural/lifestyle. I believe we are all hear to support each other not to make fun of our addictions.

 

[vapola]

Right you are that is why I am tying the apple method, 5 more days to go and we will see what it is like.

If you havent read on the apple method, they take the cut leaf, boil water, add the leaf and wait for it to cool. Then add in an apple, seal and let it set for a week. The idea is at the end of a week you take the apple out and wash it. While in the tobacco soup it absorbs the nic. Then after a nice bath you put it in a blender and beat it to pulp and press the juice out which should contain high nic levels with out all the other stuff. But I am sure it will transfer some of the Tobacco-Specific Nitrosamines. Well we will see what happens.Dan

That is a very interesting way of extracting nicotine. However, you posted this in response to Hightech's post about nitrosamines. Is there any evidence that the apple method removes or at least reduces TSS nitrosamines?

 

[sunray73]

Right you are that is why I am tying the apple method, 5 more days to go and we will see what it is like.

If you havent read on the apple method, they take the cut leaf, boil water, add the leaf and wait for it to cool. Then add in an apple, seal and let it set for a week. The idea is at the end of a week you take the apple out and wash it. While in the tobacco soup it absorbs the nic. Then after a nice bath you put it in a blender and beat it to pulp and press the juice out which should contain high nic levels with out all the other stuff. But I am sure it will transfer some of the Tobacco-Specific Nitrosamines. Well we will see what happens.

My apple taking a bath

Dan

Hey just wanted to know where you got those tiny plastic dropper bottles from? it looks like the size of 1 bottle of Dram.

 

[Scubabatdan]

That is a very interesting way of extracting nicotine. However, you posted this in response to Hightech's post about nitrosamines. Is there any evidence that the apple method removes or at least reduces TSS nitrosamines?

Not that I have found, If it absorbs the nic them it would have to absorb some of the Nitrosamines. How much, I have not found anything on it. But from reading the post I read he used 3 smokeless tobbaco tins and 1/2 cup water. When he squeeze the apple juice out he put a drop on his hand and got light headed but obviously not dead as he wrote his tale. I use rubber gloves in everything I do involving nic. It will be interesting to see the strength of the juice. I used 15 snus packets and 1.5 ounces of vodka.
Dan

 

[Scubabatdan]

Hey just wanted to know where you got those tiny plastic dropper bottles from? it looks like the size of 1 bottle of Dram.

Got them from US Plastics they go all the way down to 3ml bottles.
Dan

 

[vapola]

OK, for those who are following this thread in search of the purest nicotine method. After reading a bit I now understand that tobacco specific nitrosamine form as a process of CURING tobacco when amines in tobacco are combined with nitrites.

So fresh uncured tobacco does not contain nitrosamines or perhaps miniscule quantities. Now the million dollar question is - where do I find UNCURED FRESH TOBACCO?

Please don't offer me to grow it!!!!

 

[Scubabatdan]

OK, for those who are following this thread in search of the purest nicotine method. After reading a bit I now understand that tobacco specific nitrosamine form as a process of CURING tobacco when amines in tobacco are combined with nitrites.

So fresh uncured tobacco does not contain nitrosamines or perhaps miniscule quantities. Now the million dollar question is - where do I find UNCURED FRESH TOBACCO?

Please don't offer me to grow it!!!!

Am checking on a lead I will let you know.
If nothing else I will be growing some next year! Alabama is great for growing tobbaco so I have found.
Dan

 

[vapola]

OK, Dan, let me know, I will be waiting

 

[Scubabatdan]

OK, Dan, let me know, I will be waiting

I have ordered 4 different tobbaco plant seeds for next years crop Still waiting on a email from the company, and have indicated there is an intrest in purchasing any quantities they may have. So just waiting on a response.
Dan

 

[satim]

Do you know any e-liquid is Gluten-free or not?

 

[Kate51]

Vapola, feel better now? See, there are a BUNCH of purists around here. Maybe it's because of our previous smoking, we've been poisoned for years by Big Tobacco and didn't even know it. It makes a guy a little leery MHO.
And yes it would be beneficial to find a source for pure nicotine, well, 99.8% pure. We would need a pharmacist to be able to do that for us, but then he wouldn't be able to sell it to us.
Not without a Federal License, anyway. So we're kinda stuck.
Since I had to swear off Propylene Glycol, I get 36mg nic VG from ECOpure, called "Krystal", I find it is excellent for DIY juice. Plain unflavored VG does not seem to hold flavors like the ECOpure Krystal does. ??? Don't exactly know why. Perhaps because it's an Aqueous VG, and there's also Ethyl Maltol in it. Makes nice with robust flavors. But it is certified 99.8+% pure. I cut it will plain generic VG though, I don't use their Mixer 0 nic. I find it a little too thin for my 801 carts.
Also, you talk about nitrosimines in the nicotine: virtually anything grown in the earth has nitrosomines in it, carrots, tomatoes, etc....there's no virtual way around some kind of earth-bound 100% pure substance. Even gold cannot be refined to be 100%. So there will be nitrosomines, heavy metals, etc. but with refining these can be brought into the realm of Parts Per Billion. The air we breathe probably is going to kill us faster!