FOV Review - CE3 Smokeymizers

[VapPornRules]

It wont let me post the s-word

 

[KTaylor]

Just want to check and make sure (not doubting you) that these are the final release and not something you got from the batch that they scrapped a week ago to T&E. My brick and mortar deals directly with the RS vendor and said that they scrapped the "third" run a week ago and started over yet once again. He said they would not be available until the end of this week/beginning of next. I do see they are available on microcigs site but only as of Aug 4th to vendors. I have seen reviews on youtube from July 28 and 29 which was right around the time they scrapped the run and started over. I'll find out more when I speak to him tomorrow. If not I agree, I'll stick to the CE2's (modded of course) or grab some boge's. Good review.....and yuck...juice in the mouth...not fun.

 

[zoiDman]

What revision level was the CE3 that was tested?

 

[Sense Field]

I have no idea what RS will actually ship out (actually, only they know). What I do know is that once you have built a line to create something like this...it's very expensive to change it. I imagine they are perhaps redesigning the mouth piece...That would be the easiest and cheapest piece to alter.

If you think back to the Kanger clearomizers (G5s) that I previewed awhile back...when they finally hit the market...the only change was the mouth piece. That change took a few weeks for Kanger to implement...and really didn't fix most of the problems with the clearomizer.

 

[shanagan]

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I'm pretty sure the Bud/Sapphire is made by a totally different company. I've heard they leak...but haven't used one myself...probably won't.

I got a bad batch of the Sapphire's (they burned way too hot on my usb ego) but have to say leaking was one problem I haven't had or seen reported. In fact, the one I'm using now was sent to me by Chris/badkolo at gotvapes to try to figure out if maybe it was my battery, and he sent it full, with no condom, and there was barely a smudge of juice in the packaging. The only way I can see it leaking would be if you pulled the entire plastic tube off of the atty, literally. It's a killer design, and worth a try, for sure, if you like cartos at all. Warm vapor, TONS of it, and the truest flavor I've come across on anything yet.

 

[zoiDman]

I have no idea what RS will actually ship out. ...

As I understand it, RS/MiT are shipping CE3 now. And they are CE3 rev"3".

So without knowing what Revision was tested in the video, do we really know anything about Quality or Performance? Doing a video review about a Pre-Release carto doesn't tell me much.

I say wait until Real users have a retail product in their hands and start doing their own reviews before you pass judgement on something.

 

[Sense Field]

As I understand it, RS/MiT are shipping CE3 now. And they are CE3 rev"3".

So without knowing what Revision was tested in the video, do we really know anything about Quality or Performance? Doing a video review about a Pre-Release carto doesn't tell me much.

I say wait until Real users have a retail product in their hands and start doing their own reviews before you pass judgement on something.

It's simply out there as information...you can choose to watch and listen and pull out what you think might be relavant. Unless someone can tell me or you that there have been changes and what those exact changes are...then for now...for this unit...my video demonstrates what the issues are. If they fixed it or changed it in any way...I'll gladly do another video.

I don't think they will change much...I never redid a video on the G5/Vortex/Kanger clearomizer because they didn't change it enough to fix ANY of the problems I had with it.

I have no way of knowing if any information that you have is correct...You have to keep in mind where you are getting your info from and if they are trying to sell you a product. My guess is that they are. Again...you have no information at all on what revision 3 means or what was changed if anything.

If a product has taken almost a year to develop...what do you think they could possibly change in 3 weeks? like I said...not much...probably only the mouth piece.

 

[Sense Field]

I got a bad batch of the Sapphire's (they burned way too hot on my usb ego) but have to say leaking was one problem I haven't had or seen reported. In fact, the one I'm using now was sent to me by Chris/badkolo at gotvapes to try to figure out if maybe it was my battery, and he sent it full, with no condom, and there was barely a smudge of juice in the packaging. The only way I can see it leaking would be if you pulled the entire plastic tube off of the atty, literally. It's a killer design, and worth a try, for sure, if you like cartos at all. Warm vapor, TONS of it, and the truest flavor I've come across on anything yet.

I read one person having a leaking issue...I believe the post was in the GotVapes forum...but that could be isolated.

Maybe I will give them a try since you speak so highly of them

 

[zoiDman]

It's simply out there as information...you can choose to watch and listen and pull out what you think might be relavant. Unless someone can tell me or you that there have been changes and what those exact changes are...then for now...for this unit...my video demonstrates what the issues are. If they fixed it or changed it in any way...I'll gladly do another video.

I don't think they will change much...I never redid a video on the G5/Vortex/Kanger clearomizer because they didn't change it enough to fix ANY of the problems I had with it.

I have no way of knowing if any information that you have is correct...You have to keep in mind where you are getting your info from and if they are trying to sell you a product. My guess is that they are. Again...you have no information at all on what revision 3 means or what was changed if anything.

If a product has taken almost a year to develop...what do you think they could possibly change in 3 weeks? like I said...not much...probably only the mouth piece.

I don't think you understand the concept of Internal Revisions before Final Release of a New product.

Like I said. Without knowing what stage in the development the carto was at the time of the video, it just doesn't tell me much. It might have been a final release. It might have been a rev"1" for beta testing.

Where and how did the reviewer obtain the carto?

I'll wait for Users who have no Monetary Biases to do reviews on a Final Release retail product.

They may be Junk or they may be the Best thing to come down the pipe.

 

[Sense Field]

I don't think you understand the concept of Internal Revisions before Final Release of a New product.

Like I said. Without knowing what stage in the development the carto was at the time of the video, it just doesn't tell me much. It might have been a final release. It might have been a rev"1" for beta testing.

Where and how did the reviewer obtain the carto?

I'll wait for Users who have no Monetary Biases to do reviews on a Final Release retail product.

They may be Junk or they may be the Best thing to come down the pipe.

I was in the middle of writing a pretty nasty post to you...especially because you brought up some nonsense about me having something to gain monetarily by disliking the CE3 (which makes no sense). But instead...I'll simply leave you with this: Don't believe everything that you hear.

Looks to me like all they did was replace the mouth piece with some drip tips from a CE2. You know...I like I said they would. You can even buy them separate!

 

[zoiDman]

I was in the middle of writing a pretty nasty post to you...especially because you brought up some nonsense about me having something to gain monetarily by disliking the CE3 (which makes no sense). But instead...I'll simply leave you with this: Don't believe everything that you hear.

Looks to me like all they did was replace the mouth piece with some drip tips from a CE2. You know...I like I said they would. If anything else is changed...I'll be sure to cover it in a future update.

I wasn’t inferring that You had a Monetary gain to be made from posting the video.

What I am saying is that Some of the people who provide reviews Do have a vested interest in whether a product is Successful or whether it is Not.

And you are Absolutely correct. I don’t believe Everything I hear. Both Good or Bad.

 

[KTaylor]

My brick and mortar talked to the CEO 3 days ago..the tested/reviewed product was not a final release, it was a sample demo and that line was scrapped because of the problems. The final release is just shipping this week. When I get some I'll update.

 

[zoiDman]

My brick and mortar talked to the CEO 3 days ago..the tested/reviewed product was not a final release, it was a sample demo and that line was scrapped because of the problems. The final release is just shipping this week. When I get some I'll update.

Yeah, the beta releases that were sent out were shown to have problems. Which is not unusual when a New Design is taken on by an OEM.

Just have to wait and see how the Final Release does.

 

[jameth]

I got a bad batch of the Sapphire's (they burned way too hot on my usb ego) but have to say leaking was one problem I haven't had or seen reported. In fact, the one I'm using now was sent to me by Chris/badkolo at gotvapes to try to figure out if maybe it was my battery, and he sent it full, with no condom, and there was barely a smudge of juice in the packaging. The only way I can see it leaking would be if you pulled the entire plastic tube off of the atty, literally. It's a killer design, and worth a try, for sure, if you like cartos at all. Warm vapor, TONS of it, and the truest flavor I've come across on anything yet.

I got 3 saphires, and pretty much all three of them taste like burnt crap after more then a couple pulls.

No leaks, but don't seem to wick for crap, resulting in hot burnt taste.

One of the three worked better then the other two, but a couple days later, it suffers the same fate.

 

[shanagan]

I got 3 saphires, and pretty much all three of them taste like burnt crap after more then a couple pulls.

No leaks, but don't seem to wick for crap, resulting in hot burnt taste.

One of the three worked better then the other two, but a couple days later, it suffers the same fate.

I really don't understand why some of these have this problem, while some are awesome. Is yours hot to the touch during normal use?

 

[Sense Field]

I really don't understand why some of these have this problem, while some are awesome. Is yours hot to the touch during normal use?

It probably has a lot to do with the thickness of the juice people use. Most tank-like systems need thinner juice...which means that VG users tend to have a bad experience.

My brick and mortar talked to the CEO 3 days ago..the tested/reviewed product was not a final release, it was a sample demo and that line was scrapped because of the problems. The final release is just shipping this week. When I get some I'll update.

From what I can tell of the photos...they have changed the mouth piece and added a string that extends into the tank to help with wicking. That still leaves the carto as pretty much unable to refill when not at home.

 

[emonty]

thanks for the review, I still have three boxes of the first CE 2's I look at them sometimes and think well one day you will improve...that was two years ago!!!! you are right they are not listening and have no clue what vaping is all about...

 

[zoiDman]

Here is the First "Member" review of a "Retail" CE3 I know of. I'm sure there will be many more.

Ok take it easy on me, this is my first review! I am not affiliated with any company or business. Just a vaping consumer. I will not be comparing these to filler cartos as they are not. They are CE2 style cartomizers. The review is of course my opinion. Soooo here we go.......

I purchased these from my local brick and mortar for $15. They come in a pack of 5 in either 2.1-2.4ohm, 2.4-2.7ohm or 2.8-3.1ohm. The pack included 5 individually wrapped cartos, a pair of tweezers (for the fill plug, we'll talk more about this thing later), a plastic delrin style drip tip and a blunt tip metal filling needle.....
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DESIGN:
This is a single coil, bottom atty, tank style unit, 510 connection. The tubes are the new injection molded, bulletproof polypropylene. No cracking or leaking...Yeaaa! It does have a wick that runs from the bottom approximately half way up the inside of the tank near the air tube (not sure if you can see it in the pic, sorry for quality and the fact I bought smokey black) It's in the foreground to the left of the tube...
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FILLING: (the first kinda complaint!)
In order to fill these you have to take the cheap tweezers (use good tweezers) supplied and remove the small rubber plug in the fill hole...
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Some advice...do not try to squeeze the hell out of this little plug while removing it or replacing it. It will turn into a microscopic pingpong ball and fly out of the tweezers never to be found. They do supply one extra plug in the kit, for obvious reasons.

Once the plug is out it's a normal syringe type fill. The hole is about twice the diameter of the needle, so it's not difficult...
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Putting the fill plug back in is not so bad after some practice. Again, don't muscle it. Lightly guide it in and push it down. They hold approximately 1.2mls of juice. Both the supplied plastic drip tip and my metal drip fit perfectly.

EQUIPMENT:
The ohms of the cartos used was 2.4-2.6. I used my Provari (so I could test at different common voltages). The carto tested at 2.6ohms upon checking it with both the provari's built in meter and a stand alone volt meter. I vaped at 3.7v and 4.2v equally during the review. I picked these two volts as they are the most common. I also used two different juices, an 80/20 and a 50/50, PG/VG respectively. For the techy's...at 3.7v it would be a 5.2w vape and at 4.2v it would be a 6.8w vape.

THE VAPE:
I will cover the vape at the 4.2v range as it was the sweet spot but will let you know the difference at 3.7.
The "draw" on these is medium

Flavor- AMAZING!! as expected for a CE2 style carto but better than a CE2. The full flavor of the juice really came through. I will save room and say this goes for both juices tested. At 3.7 the taste only diminished by about 10 percent so the lower ohm carto would be better.

Vapor- LOTS OF IT!! With both juices. Very good vapor production. These are bottom coil so the vapor is on the cooler side.

Wicking- These wick quite well. I had a hard time getting a dry hit or gurgle. However, if you back to back chain them with a light "draw", you will get a slight dry hit. But, a stiffer followup draw will correct this. Both juices performed equally.

Now the main complaint you've all been waiting for....(drum roll)

Ok, since these are bottom coil they do pull juice up the air tube. After about 20-30 draws they will start to accumulate approximatly 0.1mls of juice between the fill plug and mouthpiece. After about 60 draws it will start to fill this area. What I did when this occurred was to take the mouthpiece off and draw it up with my syringe and save it for the next fill. However, I HAVE NOT gotten ANY juice in my mouth. I'm sure if you vaped an entire carto and let it completely fill up you may. Remember these do feed from the bottom and are NOT meant to be held upside down while vaping.

FINAL OPINION:
Are they perfect? No, but DAMN GOOD! IMO much better than the CE2's for the fans out there. I have been through about 8 refills now and I do not see any drop in performance at all in either of the two used.

Yes, the little rubber fill plug is a pain in the .... to get used to, but with practice it becomes no big deal (at least I don't have to pull out seals, plugs, fluff wicks, check atty coils, etc etc etc....before I can vape, in order to get a good vape. They are great right out of the box with NO MODS!!!!

Yes the small build up over time of juice coming up the tube is a pain but is remedied every 60 or so hits as I mentioned above.

Overall I am thoroughly impressed by these for two main reasons:
1. No modding, vape right out of the box the way they are suppossed to.
2.Give all of the things we expect from a good clearomizer- Great vapor, great flavor, convenience.

Hope this review helps. Till the next new thing I can't live without comes out, HAPPY VAPING!!!!!!!!

KT

 

[Sense Field]

Hey guys...here is a video review of the "Retail" by a "Member"

fov-review-ce3-smokymizers-retail-version.html

Stick around and very soon I'll tell you why the Vortex 2 also sucks.