Framed Staple Coils in Zeus X

[GOMuniEsq]

Getting my money's worth from my aegis legend 200W with the new Zeus X!
Pre-built Staggered Framed Staple 0.21Ω 3.5mm 5-wrap x2



It's been a dream of mine to run thick coils and these monsters clock in at 0.11Ω running at 150W. It took me an hour to install them and 4 attempts to wick them properly. I've got consistent juice flow, flavor out the wazoo, big clouds, and no leaks!

 

[tailland]

sweet jesus. I need to try that!

 

[bombastinator]

Total voltage when firing? I kinda did that a little while back in a thread so massively long and unreadable I’m not even going to link it out of simple politeness. The origional math came out to .10 and that’s what they came to with cold coils, but when firing they varied between .08 and .06. They also needed to be retightened because there was so much metal and heat the metal changed shape a bit. The grub screws didn’t even back out. I just needed to crank the heck out of them a second time to get a consistent connection. My understanding is the legend turns out to be just about the only VV mod you can do that with because the total voltage can be too high for many VV mods.

 

[GOMuniEsq]

Total voltage when firing? I kinda did that a little while back in a thread so massively long and unreadable I’m not even going to link it out of simple politeness. The origional math came out to .10 and that’s what they came to with cold coils, but when firing they varied between .08 and .06. They also needed to be retightened because there was so much metal and heat the metal changed shape a bit. The grub screws didn’t even back out. I just needed to crank the heck out of them a second time to get a consistent connection. My understanding is the legend turns out to be just about the only VV mod you can do that with because the total voltage can be too high for many VV mods.

According to the display it's drawing only 4.15 volts (and 36A), which is fairly close to what Ohm's Law dictates. I think just about any dual battery mod would be capable of this.

When installing the coils I started at 50W for the hot-spot-elimination phase, and saw the resistance jumping around a bit. It briefly registered as low as 0.06Ω and as high as 0.2Ω or so. Once I re-tightened the post screws the measurement stabilized to the expected level. No serious cranking was required, as the screws press into the flat aspect of the wire which is less than 1mm thick. It took some finessing during the burn-in phase to get the coils to glow synchronously and evenly. I re-tightened once more but didn't get much movement. The basic process I followed is shown in this video. Once the coils were balanced I wicked up, juiced up and started cranking up the watts. 150W was the point I was aiming for based on past experience and some research with the steam-engine.org calculator.


And thankfully at 150W the coils became promptly responsive to the fire button and started producing some very nice results. It's registered at a steady 0.11Ω ever since.

 

[bombastinator]

Youre getting more consistent results than I did. Better burning in maybe. It was a really nicely flavored vape, if a bit hot for me. It also used up what I found to be unacceptable amounts of battery and juice.i like my vapes to go all day, not get sucked dry in 4 hours and require multiple fill ups of a 10ml tank. You may do better than me though. You have so far.
I’ve been messing about lately with really large (5mm+) spaces coils and SS 28ga wire well over 1 ohm trying to recreate the way the coils I tried vaped without exotic weirdness and keep TC and some battery life. The cost of course is I’m not heating either the air or the tank as much so the vape is cooler. The coils are annoyingly fragile and difficult to wrap well on my particularly lousy field serviceable 5mm mandrel which is the knurled handle of my dental pick.

 

[GOMuniEsq]

It's fun to experiment with this stuff. For the longest time the trend was bigger and bigger, but now with technological improvement like salt nic and TC it's worthwhile to revisit older tech.

I'm directly comparing these staples to a set of spaced Alpha Braids on the Zeus Dual that ran at 0.14Ω and 110W. Whereas the braids were cool the staples are pleasantly warm. Whereas the braids muted the flavor the staples seem to release it. This little tank is only 4.5mL so I do need to carry around a bottle of juice to top it up a few times a day. My vaping preference is for frequent short (2s), high-intensity puffs with 4mg juice. The battery life is sufficient to last me from when I wake up in the morning to when I get home from an 8 hour shift. A 12 hour shift would be cutting it close.

Speaking of "new old" tech (cartridge systems), I carry a Vladdin pod system with 50mg commercial salt nic as a backup and find it hilarious that it achieves hands down better flavor than, and satisfaction equivalent to, my elaborate RTA. Those things are the way of the future. It's crucial to keep the DIY techniques alive though since the government regulators are heavy-handed and eager to wizz in our cheerios.

 

[GOMuniEsq]

The original math came out to .10 and that’s what they came to with cold coils, but when firing they varied between .08 and .06.

Yeah I'm starting to see something like what you were talking about. Now the build registers as a 0.14 but drops to 0.12 during firing, then goes right back to 0.14. They coils are still balanced and heating evenly. Post screws are still tight. I wonder what causes that? A broken strand would cause higher resistance. Perhaps there's a cracked strand that arcs while firing. Whatever it is, performance hasn't been adversely affected.

 

[Don29palms]

That tank is going to get HOT with yhose coils in there.

 

[greek mule]

That tank is going to get HOT with yhose coils in there.

Agree,not enough room for those monsters there.

 

[GOMuniEsq]

That tank is going to get HOT with yhose coils in there.

Yes it does. Have to put it down and let it cool off sometimes. Would be bad in the summer heat. I think my next set will be 3.0mm haha.

 

[dc99]

Running mine single coil. Staple fused clapton radiator coil laying flat.

 

[GOMuniEsq]

Running mine single coil. Staple fused clapton radiator coil laying flat.

So something like the first picture here, except 90 degrees? Smart way to fill all that space.

 

[bombastinator]

Yeah I'm starting to see something like what you were talking about. Now the build registers as a 0.14 but drops to 0.12 during firing, then goes right back to 0.14. They coils are still balanced and heating evenly. Post screws are still tight. I wonder what causes that? A broken strand would cause higher resistance. Perhaps there's a cracked strand that arcs while firing. Whatever it is, performance hasn't been adversely affected.

What I was told is there’s a good chance it’s the ohm meter itself. The problem is ohm meters in mods just aren’t actually accurate to a hundredth of an ohm even if they read out as being so. My information was the actual accuracy is more like 4 hundredths of an ohm. No that much if you’re at a higher ohm level, but as you drop towards zero four hundredths of an ohm can become a big deal

 

[dc99]

So something like the first picture here, except 90 degrees? Smart way to fill all that space.

Like this except staple fused clapton. Its laying like that

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Radiator with a 2x 28awg core 40awg wrap Fused Clapton on the Peacemaker RTA. ID equals a 4mm coil. TBH, didn’t find it to perform any different than a regular 3mm coil of similar surface area. However, given its smaller radius and elongated shape, I felt it did perform better than a regular 4mm coil of the same wire.

And a shameless plug to SaddlehorseBlues coils. Excellent quality but depending on the coil can be quite high in mass.