Freedom

[AndriaD]

Hello IRS, FDA, EPA, CDC, and any other government entities bound and determined to poke your way into our lives and destroy our freedoms. Meet, "WE THE PEOPLE" and learn the hard way. Or just read these history lessons and take the easy way out:

Ideological Origins of the American Revolution

Prohibition - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

Declaration of Independence - Text Transcript

Vive la revolution!

Andria

 

[Sirius]

I've got some nicotine in the freezer, not much yet, but planning to get more, before they decide that nicotine for vaping is somehow more dangerous than nicotine stuck to your skin. Those stupid things made me ITCH like mad, alert the FDA!!!

I'm also *trying* (the operative word) to learn this DIY thing but so far not successfully. Maybe I'm just getting my flavors from the wrong place.

I've 4 nice mods, but so far they're all electronic, so I reckon I need to get myself a mech and learn how to maintain it, just in case the fascists decide that vaping electronics are somehow unAmerican.

Andria

I'm not super worried about nicotine juice as it can be re-labeled as organic bug spray. I'm sure they will suspect nothing at "Sirius All Natural Organic Tomato Plant Spray" or "Sonic Bug Begone..Original Kosher Skullbuggery"

 

[DC2]

I'm not super worried about nicotine juice as it can be re-labeled as organic bug spray.

That is definitely NOT going to work...
Nicotine; Product Cancellation Order | Federal Register Environmental Documents | USEPA
http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/REDs/nicotine_red.pdf

The registrant of the sole remaining
nicotine pesticide product requested the cancellation of its registration on February 25,
2008, to be effective on December 31, 2013, with existing stocks permitted to be sold by
dealers and distributors for one additional year.

Also, the second document goes into some detail as to what it would take to get a nicotine pesticide approved.
It would probably be easier and cheaper to get it approved as a tobacco product.

 

[AndriaD]

That is definitely NOT going to work...
Nicotine; Product Cancellation Order | Federal Register Environmental Documents | USEPA
http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/REDs/nicotine_red.pdf



Also, the second document goes into some detail as to what it would take to get a nicotine pesticide approved.
It would probably be easier and cheaper to get it approved as a tobacco product.

It's not illegal to make your own bug spray, I used to do it all the time with hot peppers and painted (pyrethrum) daisies. So he has a bottle labelled "bug spray" that doesn't have 40-leven-dozen EPA warnings on it, big deal. And I even thought that if I decide to go with VG-based nicotine instead of the PG-based I have now, I could use this PG-based as bug spray, it wouldn't go to waste.

Andria

 

[DC2]

It's not illegal to make your own bug spray, I used to do it all the time with hot peppers and painted (pyrethrum) daisies. So he has a bottle labelled "bug spray" that doesn't have 40-leven-dozen EPA warnings on it, big deal. And I even thought that if I decide to go with VG-based nicotine instead of the PG-based I have now, I could use this PG-based as bug spray, it wouldn't go to waste.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, but I'm saying that nobody is going to be selling any "organic bug spray" as a way to sidestep regulation.

 

[AndriaD]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, but I'm saying that nobody is going to be selling any "organic bug spray" as a way to sidestep regulation.

No of course not, selling that stuff is a whole 'nuther ball of wax. I mean if he has his nicotine in a bottle marked "bug spray" no one will care. So the thing to do is buy nicotine NOW, before the FDA demonstrates that FDA stands for "fascist druglord @$$kissers." Don't wait, or it may be too late.

Andria

 

[Sirius]

That is definitely NOT going to work...
Nicotine; Product Cancellation Order | Federal Register Environmental Documents | USEPA
http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/REDs/nicotine_red.pdf



Also, the second document goes into some detail as to what it would take to get a nicotine pesticide approved.
It would probably be easier and cheaper to get it approved as a tobacco product.

I'm still not convinced I should be worried about the availability of Nicotine. But I'm from the south, we have had to improvise many times in our history.

 

[AndriaD]

I'm still not convinced I should be worried about the availability of Nicotine. But I'm from the south, we have had to improvise many times in our history.

I'm not really *worried* per se, because the FDA has *already* published their findings that using any type of NRT for any length of time is not dangerous, in those quantities. I think nicotine will probably continue to be available... but at what price? If they decide to start taxing it like there's no tomorrow, then that bottle of 120ml 100mg nicotine I recently bought could be $50 or $60 or even more instead of $16 plus shipping, and that's what I'm really trying to hedge against, by stockpiling a little -- I don't vape at high levels, so it would last me awhile, while I continue adding to the pile.

Andria