Same here... I'm thinking with a ban... they're not That bad.... lol
"freezing" juice?
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Same here... I'm thinking with a ban... they're not That bad.... lol
One data point:
Stored JC PG 24mg Artic Mint half full bottle in the fridge for 4 months.
Allowed it to warm to room temp before test.
Opacity=100% clear
Mint Flavor=aprox 30% of original
Power=aprox 50% of my nuvape 24mg
Taste=Fine
Stored JC PG 24mg Artic Mint half full bottle in the fridge for 4 months.
Allowed it to warm to room temp before test.
Opacity=100% clear
Mint Flavor=aprox 30% of original
Power=aprox 50% of my nuvape 24mg
Taste=Fine
Now that's interesting. I sure don't like the 50% power. The flavor I can live with, but not the power. Yikes.
I have been vaping the 50% power JC all day.
I can not verify the original JC 24mg was as powerful as nuvape 24mg.
I am pretty sure the JC lost much power.
I stored the JC in a half full container in the ref for 4 months; maybe the air cap oxidized the nicotine?
I can not verify the original JC 24mg was as powerful as nuvape 24mg.
I am pretty sure the JC lost much power.
I stored the JC in a half full container in the ref for 4 months; maybe the air cap oxidized the nicotine?
Is anyone kind enough to give me an undeserved executive summary?
How many had success with freezing their eliquid juice?
Was the freezing point of juice established?
I have been vaping my 4 month old ref stored JC all day and am disappointed with the strength.
How many had success with freezing their eliquid juice?
Was the freezing point of juice established?
I have been vaping my 4 month old ref stored JC all day and am disappointed with the strength.
I have been thinking over this topic and while I still believe that refridgerating is a good idea, there is a precaution to bear in mind.
Chemically, there is no reason to think that any changes could occur and the colder temperature would slow both oxidation and microbial activity.
This applies to freezing also. Even super-complex molecules such as DNA can survive thousands of years in freezing temperatures.
There is, however, a precaution. This precaution applies no matter whether storage is in the fridge or not. And it is this:
Spoilage can occur through oxidation and microbial activity. To protect against oxidation, store without air inside the container and make sure the seal is air-tight. Glass and ceramic containers are to be preferred for long-term storage as plastic is very slightly air-permeable.
Microbial spoilage is by far the most likely reason for juice spoilage occuring in a sealed container. As far as we know, juice (with a major component being PG at least) is inherently anti-microbial; this might well not be the case with VG based juices. However, there is a potential scenario that could allow microbial growth - in any air space above the liquid, where water, evaporated from the juice or in the air, can condense on the inner container surface and provide a breeding ground; water preferentially evaporates as it has a lower boiling point than PG or VG.
So when storing long term it is wise to exclude all air. More to eliminate the possibility of microbial activity in condensation than oxidation from the air.
Chemically, there is no reason to think that any changes could occur and the colder temperature would slow both oxidation and microbial activity.
This applies to freezing also. Even super-complex molecules such as DNA can survive thousands of years in freezing temperatures.
There is, however, a precaution. This precaution applies no matter whether storage is in the fridge or not. And it is this:
Spoilage can occur through oxidation and microbial activity. To protect against oxidation, store without air inside the container and make sure the seal is air-tight. Glass and ceramic containers are to be preferred for long-term storage as plastic is very slightly air-permeable.
Microbial spoilage is by far the most likely reason for juice spoilage occuring in a sealed container. As far as we know, juice (with a major component being PG at least) is inherently anti-microbial; this might well not be the case with VG based juices. However, there is a potential scenario that could allow microbial growth - in any air space above the liquid, where water, evaporated from the juice or in the air, can condense on the inner container surface and provide a breeding ground; water preferentially evaporates as it has a lower boiling point than PG or VG.
So when storing long term it is wise to exclude all air. More to eliminate the possibility of microbial activity in condensation than oxidation from the air.
This table shows the freezing point of pg and vg http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/freezing-points-liquids-d_1261.html
The first table at
Propylene Glycol based Heat-Transfer Fluids
or http://www.ketemalp.com/pdfs/glycol_freezing_point_table.pdf
gives an example of freezing temperatures in relation to water and pg mixed. I'm sorry it only goes to 60% though
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I keep my eliquids in a small cooler container in my closet just to keep them not being warm. still don't know if this work?
Thanks.
My freezer is currently 5F. Based in the chart a PG:H2O solution with more than 33% PG will not freeze at 5F. I have not researched nicotine FP.
I just put some JC and nuvape tn the freezer for a short term test.
It's not important that the liquid actually freeze (solidify). Just that it is too cold for anything to grow 
Freezer Burn:
I am not sure how likely it is for the juice to freezer burn or simply pick up a freezer burn odor while in the freezer.
Auto defrost cycles increase freezer burn in frozen foods by cycling the freezer temps.
I think the effects of freezer burn can be minimized by putting juice in a cooler then putting cooler in the freezer.
eliquid juice bottles should be topped off prior to storing.
Glass is less permeable than plastic and is a better choice for preventing freezer burn provided you are certain the juice won't freeze, expand, and break the glass.
I am not sure how likely it is for the juice to freezer burn or simply pick up a freezer burn odor while in the freezer.
Auto defrost cycles increase freezer burn in frozen foods by cycling the freezer temps.
I think the effects of freezer burn can be minimized by putting juice in a cooler then putting cooler in the freezer.
eliquid juice bottles should be topped off prior to storing.
Glass is less permeable than plastic and is a better choice for preventing freezer burn provided you are certain the juice won't freeze, expand, and break the glass.
It's not important that the liquid actually freeze (solidify). Just that it is too cold for anything to grow
Correct, just wanted to show the respected freezing point based on percent pg. I will store my liquid at -23 C but I don't want to actually freeze it. Just keep it at a really low stable temperature. cheers
Short term data point:
Nuvape 36mg PG Hilton does not freeze at 5F and still vapes strong.
Nuvape 36mg PG Hilton does not freeze at 5F and still vapes strong.
I don't understand why no one has mentioned this yet. I just bought 2 liters from Vermont Vapor (VG based) and here is what I plan to do. I am going to put the liquid into amber bottles and fill them up completely to avoid any oxygen within the bottles. THEN, I plan to put all of my bottles into food saver containers or mason jars and then VACCUUM OUT ALL THE AIR with my hand held food saver (costs $12). Not sure yet if it's going in the fridge or not, but I believe I'm on the right track.
When I get mine in, I was wondering about using the FoodSaver Bottle Stoppers. I've used them to keep wine good for much longer. Around 3 for $13 or so.
Well, I was really going around in my head about whether or not to refrigerate my flavored nicotine juices, my Zero-nicotine juices and my plain unflavored nicotine base, Pg, by bottle of pure pg and bottle of vg. After reading through this thread, I don't think I will refrigerate it. The reason is, it seems that the refrigerator will , for lack of a better word, "dry" out some things, causing the moisture in them to evaporate faster than others. Such as with bread and some veggies and fruits. When they are in "moisture-controlled drawers", that's because they need the moisture. And there must be a certain amount of bacteria present in these liquids during manufacturing, that just can't be avoided. Maybe some have more than others? I don't know....
I was really worried about my juices going bad since I have many I actually do like to alternate, and my favorites in larger 30ml bottles. I think the best I can do is transfer to glass bottles I purchased from a member here, amber ones, and store in a dark wardrobe cabinet in my basement, where I actually live. It tends to stay cooler down there all year, and downright cold in the winter, but not much more humid than any other part of the house since we have air conditioning down there as well as the rest of the house. It just is colder downstairs.
My clothes are also kept in the same wardrobe cabinet which is shut and locked when I'm away, and they never smell musty or damp.
I did however notice today, not to leave my plastic juice bottles in the hot car during the day at work, since I can't really vape inside. I will transfer to glass ones, to take them inside during the day. It gets pretty hot in a locked car all day.
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I was really worried about my juices going bad since I have many I actually do like to alternate, and my favorites in larger 30ml bottles. I think the best I can do is transfer to glass bottles I purchased from a member here, amber ones, and store in a dark wardrobe cabinet in my basement, where I actually live. It tends to stay cooler down there all year, and downright cold in the winter, but not much more humid than any other part of the house since we have air conditioning down there as well as the rest of the house. It just is colder downstairs.
My clothes are also kept in the same wardrobe cabinet which is shut and locked when I'm away, and they never smell musty or damp.
I did however notice today, not to leave my plastic juice bottles in the hot car during the day at work, since I can't really vape inside. I will transfer to glass ones, to take them inside during the day. It gets pretty hot in a locked car all day.
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