Frustrated - Battery for Mechanical Vape

[GrowGoddess]

Well, this is really frustrating and annoying. Hopefully someone here who has experience can point me in the right direction.

This chart that I found on this site carries zero value to me and I find it to be useless. I mean no offense, and it is not the authors fault, it is whoever made this chart and the companies who sell the batteries, and the companies themselves.

The chart can be found in Sub-Ohm vaping Discussion...



I am very familiar with AW batteries, and I am extremely familiar with vaporizing and such since I have invested thousands into it for my own personal use.

I am really starting to like my new mechanical vapes. That is when finding the right battery is a big pain in the you know what. It says on the chart that the AW 18650 batteries, one states that one is 10 amp and the other states 24. Where did that come from? A battery spec fairy? The manufacturer I believe states 5 amps. Stores that sell these batteries, some say 5 amps others say 10. I can't find anyone that says that the 18650 1600mAh is 24 amp anywhere. Everywhere I look it is stated 10 max. So how in the heck am I supposed to get the right battery with a bunch of false specs? Whether it is false on the chart, store, or manufacturer? I don't want to have to spend another thousand just in batteries to find the one that suits my needs? What are the true amps?

Any help would greatly be appreciated. I have been using the AW IMR 18650 2000mAh battery and the AW IMR 18350 700mAh. I would like to get batteries of the same size, but more powerful in regards to the output amps going to the cart. I would like the amps to be at least 50% higher going to the cart.

I believed my batteries were 5 amp. Now I have no clue. I keep finding different and conflicting information everywhere. I think the largest my vaporizer will accept is about 68mm long. My favorite battery to use is the smaller 18350 so I don't need to telescope the vape.

I either need someone to help point me in the right direction or at least provide a chart that is accurate. One of the two batteries I have mentioned should be on the chart for me to better make the choice.

I love vaping. I will be vaping for the rest of my life. It would really be cool to get the right battery for my mechanical. Smoktech Magneto....

 

[Joka]

I use orbotronic 30 amp high drain batteries in my mechs that support button top, and EH 1600 mah 30 amp high drains on my mechs that only take flat tops. I don't have much to offer as far as helping you figure out your problem. I'm sure others on here will as their very experienced, but these batteries I use are more than enough for me but in which case I need the extra power it's there for me.

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[Hypatia]

If you like the AW's, I use the 1600mah in the 18650 size (as you know, for the 15C/24amps). These are independently tested as such. If you're looking for flat tops in the 18650 size, the Sony VT4 (30amp) will do the job, with a slight edge over the AW's, but button top vs. flat may depend on the device (you know, I'm sure, some devices need one over the other). Other sizes, I have no recommendations, size I only run 18650 size.

ETA: the 1600mah AW's are rated at 15C (which equals 24A). As confirmed from the specs directly from manufacturer. Here is an authorized reseller of the AW that is highly recommended by ECF members.:
Authentic AW Batteries at RTD Vapor

 

[GrowGoddess]

If you like the AW's, I use the 1600mah in the 18650 size (as you know, for the 15C/24amps). These are independently tested as such. If you're looking for flat tops in the 18650 size, the Sony VT4 (30amp) will do the job, with a slight edge over the AW's, but button top vs. flat may depend on the device (you know, I'm sure, some devices need one over the other). Other sizes, I have no recommendations, size I only run 18650 size.

ETA: the 1600mah AW's are rated at 15C (which equals 24A). As confirmed from the specs directly from manufacturer. Here is an authorized reseller of the AW that is highly recommended by ECF members.:

I looked up the Sony VT4, the discharge is 10Amp. It can receive up to 30A when charging.

 

[GrowGoddess]

I use orbotronic 30 amp high drain batteries in my mechs that support button top, and EH 1600 mah 30 amp high drains on my mechs that only take flat tops. I don't have much to offer as far as helping you figure out your problem. I'm sure others on here will as their very experienced, but these batteries I use are more than enough for me but in which case I need the extra power it's there for me.

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Thanks. Greatly appreciated. I have a lot of time into this. I guess a lot of the places I was looking were not the right ones. Everywhere I looked, batteries that provide the power I am looking for were too big for my vape. Even though they were considered 18650 in size. They were all well above 70mm some even over 80mm. I will try one of each you have mentioned. I have a feeling it will make the difference I am looking for.

Now, I just have to find an 18350 that has that little extra kick! LOL

Thanks again.

 

[tj99959]

I don't like 18350's, there just isn't enough battery there. But, I too like a smaller mechanical than you get with a 18650.
The AW 18490 is actually a higher amp rating (16a) than the AW 2000mAh 18650 (10a)

BTW, all 6 of these are running on 18490's.

 

[GrowGoddess]

That is great you are able to get your mods to work with the 18490 batteries. I have 18350, 18650, and 18490 batteries. By no means can I say that the 18490 provides any more power than the 350 or 650 AW batteries that I have.
The site I order my AW batteries from states that they only purchase from the manufacturers. All three batteries at the site where I purchase from are listed as 5A continuous max. Not sure if they are 5A or 10A though.
Then today I come here and look at all different stores and now getting all different specs on the same battery! That is really sad that these companies and stores can't find it within themselves to provide true and accurate specifications to their distributors. either that or the distributors are just not providing the correct information.
I like the 18350 batteries the best for special purpose use. It is just convenient them being small and concealable. Also, it is nice how I can leave my vapes standing up with the little batteries, they don't tip over as easily. I am not so much looking for sub-ohm abilities.
We'll just say that my vaping oil is a little thicker than the average Joe's. It needs a little more boost to get it to vape to my satisfaction.
Can't wait to try out the new batteries on my mechanicals.
I am already quite familiar with the standard AW batteries from using standard MOD/APV vaporizers. I really like the SVD. That is why I chose the mechanical Magneto. It telescopes to accept different batteries just like the SVD. I really like that feature. With the little 18350 batteries, if I am going on a trip, I don't mind keeping an extra few in my bag.


Edit: Joka I think the Orbatronic 30 amp might be a little much. The specs say it provides a 60A pulse. So, I decided to start off with the 22 amp that has a 29A pulse. That should get me in the ballpark anyway. If it is too much I will seek out one that is a bit weaker. If it is not enough, I will go with the 30A. Thanks again!

 

[Bunnykiller]

get the "green" ones

thats what the guy at the vape shop told me....
scarey huh?

 

[Completely Average]

IMR 18650 Battery 30A Orbtronic SX30 Ultra High Drain Hybrid rechargeable Li-ion | Li-Mn

Or

Sony VTC5

For a fairly full list of the best batteries by their amp rating, go here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/510390-fyi-subohm-vapers.html#post11785181


There. Problem solved.

 

[GrowGoddess]

Thanks for the link, but I am pretty confident that those numbers in regards to the AW batteries are not accurate when it comes to the amp output. I have all of those batteries except for the 18650 1600mah. I have two mechanicals here and at least 3 of each battery pretty much new. I cannot tell any difference between any of them. They all seem identical when it comes to the power release. They almost have enough power to properly operate a basic ProTank3 using the mechanical vape.

Hopefully the numbers on the other batteries are correct. I just ordered the orbatronic 22 amp output battery.

 

[Completely Average]

Thanks for the link, but I am pretty confident that those numbers in regards to the AW batteries are not accurate when it comes to the amp output. I have all of those batteries except for the 18650 1600mah. I have two mechanicals here and at least 3 of each battery pretty much new. I cannot tell any difference between any of them. They all seem identical when it comes to the power release. They almost have enough power to properly operate a basic ProTank3 using the mechanical vape.

I don't think you understand how mech mods work at all.

Of course they all have the same power release using the same coil. That's how ALL mech mods work, regardless of which battery you put in. Here is the basic math equation for you so you can understand.

(Voltage X Voltage) / Ohms = Wattage

Wattage / Voltage = Amps

So, it does not matter if you have a 10 amp battery or a 100 amp battery, if both batteries are 3.7v and the coil you attach to both is 1.5ohm then you're going to have a wattage of 9.13 Watts with a draw of 2.47 Amps on both batteries. They will behave exactly the same.


The purpose of the higher amp battery is for lower ohm coils, especially multi-coil setups that require more than a 10amp draw. For instance, you take that same 3.7 volt battery and hook it up to a coil setup with 0.3 ohm resistance. That results in 45.6 watts of power with a 12.3 amp drain which would cause very bad things to happen to a 10amp battery.

 

[GrowGoddess]

I don't fully agree with you, there are some variables left out. I have been in the electrical and electronics industry for over 20 years. Math is not always true.

I did look into it. All of the AW batteries are 10 amp. I could not find the specifications on one of them that was mentioned previously though. None of the AW batteries were considered high drain. All considered standard rechargable batteries.

If you notice on the graph that was pointed out multiple times, the 18650 2000 mAh battery states it is 10 amp with a C and some additional letters. The other AW batteries do not have the additional characters. My educated guess is that the C stands for consistent current. I recently found out that my AW 18650 2600 mAh protected battery only produces 5 amp max draw, not counting the pulse. It was a very noticeable difference.

We'll see what happens when I get my new batteries. I will follow up with pictures.

 

[FlyD]

Bring on the

Edit: I might actually contribute... http://dampfakkus.de/liste_akkus.php

 

[GrowGoddess]

Okay I just received the orbatronic 22 amp output battery and charged one up.

This thing does not provide any more power whatsoever than a basic AW IMR 18350.

I don't know what you all are vaping, but I sure wish I had some!

I just ...... away $30+ on a pair of these piece of crap batteries. They do not provide 22 Amps with a 29 Amp pulse. And they sure as hell are not capable of running sub ohm equipment.

I have more than twice the power with an 18350 on my basic innokin SVD.

Thanks, but no thanks

 

[supertrunker]

So - he gave you a link to 30A Orbies - SX30's and you bought SX22s and cry that they don't work as well?

The difference between the AWs is in the mAh, the 1600s have better (i.e. lower) internal resistance than the same 2000mAh batteries.

If you are serious about mechs, then you will need 30A "ultra high drain" batteries. You can choose from Samsungs, Sony's, Panasonics (Orbies are rebadged Pannies) and even a few places that still sell the old MNKEs.

If you think you can run sub-Ω on an 18350 battery, then one of us is about to be found out. Good luck.

T

 

[Stosh]

Regarding AW batteries, here's a link with ratings from "AW" himself....

IMR16340 / IMR14500 / IMR18350 / IMR18490 / IMR18650 / IMR26500 *Part 2*

 

[Bryanlsalisbury]

I stick with 18650's sony vtc or vtc 5


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[Bryanlsalisbury]

Vtc4^


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[eli0shin]

Don't mess around with crap batteries just use sony vtc3, 4, or 5's


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[Vaslovik]

Ummm.... ya know what? I use Efest 18650 2000 mAh batteries, rotating 8 of them through my mech, and I could give a flip less how many amps they are, they WORK. I never worried about the amperage rating on them, I just bought them, and used them, and they WORK. They have been working for over 8 months now and I get hours of good vaping on each one and I'm a heavy-duty chain-vaper. So, you might be stressing out about something you don't need to, and perhaps your energies might be better spent on something else.