Genisis style mod.. What am I doing wrong?

[uBerNoob]

Hi. I just bought the Elite Hybrid Mod by Rainbow Heaven and I'm having big problems getting it to work. I have followed the tutorials to the T but I only get a burnt taste with practically no flavor whatsoever. I am using 400 mesh and kanthal that was included in the kit. Could that be why? I have torched the mesh a total of 5 times, then I put juice on it and let it burn off twice. I made sure the coil burned evenly. I'm using a 3 wrap which is 2.2 OHMs.

This is my second attempt. I had the same results with my previous attempt and it turned my juice from a light gold color into a very dark (almost black) brown color. My latest attempt has only been on for about 1 hour so the juice has not changed colors yet. Does anyone have any idea what I could be doing wrong? Thanks for any help.

 

[TrentTC]

I only torch both sides of the mesh quickly. Maybe slightly more once it's rolled. I never do juice burns. It's turning your liquid dark because burning juice on the mesh is leaving deposits on it which are then getting into your juice. This could also be funking your wick up and inhibiting wicking. The burnt taste is either from poor wicking or from hot spots/hot legs. You can try tilting to ensure the area of wick your coil is around is saturated. If it is and you still get burnt flavor you have a hot spot or a hot leg.

 

[uBerNoob]

Thanks for the reply. I think it might be hotspots/hot legs but I'm not sure what those are. But when I push the button, the part of the coil that is coming from the center post is red hot, while the rest is barely glowing. I just assumed that was because the other parts are touching the wick and have juice on them? How can I check for hot spots/legs? And also, can you point me in the direction of a tutorial that can help me rectify them?

 

[TrentTC]

You need to fire the coil without juice on it. That way you can tell whether the coil is lighting up evenly. You have a hot leg from the center post. Nothing should be lighting up with juice on the wick. Empty the tank of juice. Fire your coil and adjust it until all parts glow evenly.

 

[bender817]

Thanks for the reply. I think it might be hotspots/hot legs but I'm not sure what those are. But when I push the button, the part of the coil that is coming from the center post is red hot, while the rest is barely glowing. I just assumed that was because the other parts are touching the wick and have juice on them? How can I check for hot spots/legs? And also, can you point me in the direction of a tutorial that can help me rectify them?

You just perfectly described a hot leg. You need to adjust the top leg of the coil. Also pulse it until its nice and dry, and when you keep pulsing it you might see little lights just under the coil. That's a short so wiggle that wrap until its gone. It will probably be close to the bottom but could potentially be anywhere under the coil. Just keep at it, its worth it.

 

[vapdivrr]

hey buddy, first I would add a couple more wraps, three is just not a good start for a noob. also 3 wraps seems like it would come in higher then 2.2Ω's. its possible that your readings are incorrect because of either a short or bad connections. if the wire you received is 32g this also can be a bad start, this wire is very thin and moves around a lot creating inconsistent tension. I would use at least 30g wire. if this is the only wire you have then try at least 4 to 5 wraps. oxidize your wick, insert in device with no juice in tank. wrap wick not to loose, nor to tight. with 32g I would error on a slightly tighter wrap then loose. the most important wraps are the first and last, especially the last. the top wrap usually is the culprit in most hot spot issues. if this top wrap is glowing red it means the tension is incorrect. wrap and connect leads and then start voltage low, usually around 3.3ish volts. pulse the fire button with no juice and see what happens, all wraps should be glowing evenly and fire at the same time. if you see a hot spot work it out by moving the wrap that is glowing more then the others, you can do this while they are fired up. by proding the wires around you should be able to get them going evenly. if the hot spot at top still happens adjust the tension by slightly slightly bending the top of the wick either away or towards the positive post. if you move the wick towards the PP and this corrects the issue then the top wrap is or has to much tension on it. if you correct the issue by moving the wick away from the PP then the tension is to loose. once you work out the hotspots increase voltage to see if all holds up, eventually you should maintain even glow and no hotspots all the way up to you vaping voltage. only once this is obtained is when you should add the liquid. just make sure as you check for these hotspots with no liquid that you pulse the coils and don't over heat the device, take your time. with 32g it is possible that you can get a good coil, everything firing great through out all voltages and add juice only for the coil to expand an hour later only to have a hot spot again. this is why I like a more stable wire like 30g or better yet 28g. good luck

 

[uBerNoob]

You just perfectly described a hot leg. You need to adjust the top leg of the coil. Also pulse it until its nice and dry, and when you keep pulsing it you might see little lights just under the coil. That's a short so wiggle that wrap until its gone. It will probably be close to the bottom but could potentially be anywhere under the coil. Just keep at it, its worth it.

I did as you instructed, all was glowing evenly and nothing was glowing when I filled it with juice. For a while, and it was vaping like a champ. Then I started getting the burnt taste again and sure enough now the bottom leg started glowing. I then tried tweaking it again and for now it is vaping decent and has no hot spots/legs. Thanks.

hey buddy, first I would add a couple more wraps, three is just not a good start for a noob. also 3 wraps seems like it would come in higher then 2.2Ω's. its possible that your readings are incorrect because of either a short or bad connections. if the wire you received is 32g this also can be a bad start, this wire is very thin and moves around a lot creating inconsistent tension. I would use at least 30g wire. if this is the only wire you have then try at least 4 to 5 wraps. oxidize your wick, insert in device with no juice in tank. wrap wick not to loose, nor to tight. with 32g I would error on a slightly tighter wrap then loose. the most important wraps are the first and last, especially the last. the top wrap usually is the culprit in most hot spot issues. if this top wrap is glowing red it means the tension is incorrect. wrap and connect leads and then start voltage low, usually around 3.3ish volts. pulse the fire button with no juice and see what happens, all wraps should be glowing evenly and fire at the same time. if you see a hot spot work it out by moving the wrap that is glowing more then the others, you can do this while they are fired up. by proding the wires around you should be able to get them going evenly. if the hot spot at top still happens adjust the tension by slightly slightly bending the top of the wick either away or towards the positive post. if you move the wick towards the PP and this corrects the issue then the top wrap is or has to much tension on it. if you correct the issue by moving the wick away from the PP then the tension is to loose. once you work out the hotspots increase voltage to see if all holds up, eventually you should maintain even glow and no hotspots all the way up to you vaping voltage. only once this is obtained is when you should add the liquid. just make sure as you check for these hotspots with no liquid that you pulse the coils and don't over heat the device, take your time. with 32g it is possible that you can get a good coil, everything firing great through out all voltages and add juice only for the coil to expand an hour later only to have a hot spot again. this is why I like a more stable wire like 30g or better yet 28g. good luck

I'm not positive that this wire is 28g but I know it's larger (in size) than my 32g. I think the problem I'm having now is what you mentioned about the coil moving. It's going from vaping good to hot legs. I have some 28g on the way, hopefully that will solve my problems. Thanks for the help and info.

 

[TrentTC]

It sounds like a tension problem to me. Pull the wick/coil as close go the top screw as possible without touching the positive post. Usually the top leg is where you have tension problems. With it well wicked you shouldn't have any glowing coils. If anything glows you are going to get a terrible taste/lack of flavor. Keep trying. Once you figure it out I promise you will never have experienced a better vape. Practice makes perfect. Once you get it you will understand what you need. The best part is I've had mesh wicks and coils last 2 months. Get it right and it works forever.

 

[TrentTC]

What battery are you using? Is it safe with sub ohms? I only say this because I find that genny's work much better with low ohms and a mech. As of right now I have a 4/3 wrap of 26 gauge on my kraken. .5 ohm coil. It's divine. I also find that 28 gauge wire is the easiest to wrap and adjust on a genisis atomizer. I am using 26 but it's pretty thick and i never would have gotten it to work properly if I hadn't mastered 28 gauge. Look up Rip Trippers genisis wrapping for newbys. I hope you get this figured out as I promise you won't be dissapointed if you do

 

[aznfknpride]

TrentTC dropping some knowledge... great tips.

As for the hot leg... poke the top wrap up and down, you are shorting where the hotspot ends on the wick. Worst comes to worst, toss the coil, pull your wick, torch it, and re-wrap... you want it snug on the wick, but not choking it. If you end up making a new wick, I blast both sides of the mesh til it glows orange once before rolling, then once again after rolling it (again, til orange) like TrentTC. Overtorching is just a waste of time and butane.

You can also use the pulse method if you have hotspots after a fresh wrap (no juice in the tank)... pulse the firing button until all coils glow evenly. Pulsing builds up oxidation underneath the coil and eventually works out shorts on the wick. Be sure not to hold the button down for longer than half a second, as you could pop your coil. Sometimes it happens quick, sometimes it takes 10-15 minutes... all boils down to how well you have oxidized your wick. Also, less wraps have always equated to an easier setup for me (obviously less chance for a short), but be sure to build a safe vape that you are comfortable at.

This is just one of those things that takes practice. If you really can't sort out the shorts, you can also try SS cable with an ekowool sleeve... I don't care for ekowool but it provides an effortless build. I prefer mesh over SS cable for the resistance I vape at, a regular mesh wick wont keep up.

Sorry for the novel, but keep at it... that "aha!" moment is worth it.

EDIT: also worth mentioning... make sure you fold the outside edge of the mesh over just a bit, 1-2mm is good.. the frayed edges of the mesh can often cause shorts. I know you said you followed the tutorials to the T but is an important step in any mesh build, not sure if they were mentioned before. Pictures are also worth a thousand words, macro are best and maybe we can point out some problems with the build

 

[uBerNoob]

What battery are you using? Is it safe with sub ohms? I only say this because I find that genny's work much better with low ohms and a mech. As of right now I have a 4/3 wrap of 26 gauge on my kraken. .5 ohm coil. It's divine. I also find that 28 gauge wire is the easiest to wrap and adjust on a genisis atomizer. I am using 26 but it's pretty thick and i never would have gotten it to work properly if I hadn't mastered 28 gauge. Look up Rip Trippers genisis wrapping for newbys. I hope you get this figured out as I promise you won't be dissapointed if you do

I'm using a AW IMR 18650 2000mAh batteries. My 28g will arrive today. Your posts have me really excited to get this working. I'll start fresh when it arrives and use all of this info and hope for the best. Thanks.

If you end up making a new wick, I blast both sides of the mesh til it glows orange once before rolling, then once again after rolling it (again, til orange) like TrentTC. Overtorching is just a waste of time and butane.

Good to know. I may have been over torching.

Sorry for the novel, but keep at it... that "aha!" moment is worth it.

I appreciate it. All of this info is helping me out a lot.

Pictures are also worth a thousand words, macro are best and maybe we can point out some problems with the build

I will take some pictures of my build today. Thanks.

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

Use this method...works almost every time...very hard to mess up




1. Burn it until it is jet black, I usually hold in the fire of a stove till it glows red, then cool, repeat 3x times (there is another method to pulse fire to burn it, but that method kicks my .... so I go the failsafe "old school" method)

2. I take 32gauge wire, stick a paperclip bent into a hook on a drill, fold the wire in half, hold loose end with pliers, twist it till it snaps (usually breaks at the loop), take the wire, burn it, glow red cool, wrap 5-6 times for around 1.5Ω-1.7Ω, 7-8 for 1.8Ω-2.0Ω (I use APV's or kicks so I don't need low ohms) (for some reason twisting the wire almost eliminates the hot wire between the coil and the positive center pin]

3. Always check your resistance before you do a full burn

 

[Glenn_K]

I'm learning how to set up a genesis-style rba, and it's totally worth climbing the learning curve. I've vaped on a properly-built genny, and it was fantastic.

Do you live near any vape shops where you might get some hands-on demonstration?

-- Glenn

 

[dripdaze]

Thank to all of the guys giving help here. I am having some trouble with an AGA and I have learned a few things here that will help.

 

[TanukiXL]

Just wanted to chime in and thank everyone for contributing to this thread. I've been struggling with my first genesis style AGA T3 over 6-8 builds and this information is invaluable. THANKS!!


May the force be with you,

Tanuki

 

[rith]

I tried it oxidized and not oxidized. The Non oxidized taste better after you let the coil do the oxy part and let the juice settle into it


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[bender817]

I tried it oxidized and not oxidized. The Non oxidized taste better after you let the coil do the oxy part and let the juice settle into it


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I'm gonna try that on the next one.

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