Genny Advice

[Darkdreamz]

Hey guys, I've searched this out and found a few threads pertaining to what I'm interested in but I still can't post in them so I brought my question here. Too much lurking, not enough posting.

I'm a somewhat new builder and have even rebuilt some of the stuff you aren't supposed to be able to rebuild (evod, nautilus). However, I stepped into a couple mech mods recently and picked up a IGO W3, and a AGA-T3. I'm really digging the vapor buut my builds aren't quite there yet. Currently I'm most interested in my genny, the T3. I've tried 10 different builds on it, SS mesh rolled tight, SS mesh rolled loose, silica, cotton...and a few variations within those.

Is it just me or does the SS mesh suck at wicking. It works but you can't hit it too often or I'll get that lovely hot SS taste. Yumm! lol I've seen some guys using just a cotton cloud over the hole and thru the coil and letting it "spill" or leak into the cotton. I haven't tried exactly that yet but that is the next thing I am going to try. I have also heard that the T3 sucks and is not the easiest genny to build on. I agree, that damn ring around the wick hole is a really crappy design. But I love the look of it and am certainly willing to put up with a bit of a nuisance if I get it working well.

So what do the genny lovers have to say? You have one that you love building on, works great, etc? How about a particular build on it? Basically just what the title says...any genny advice you guys have for me I would greatly appreciate.

 

[Razzlematt]

28 gauge Kanthal, two strands wrapped tight in a drill motor, 10 wraps on a toothpick. 3/4" of white Peaches and Cream WallyMart yarn.

Right at 1.0 ohm for me, perfection.

 

[Sthur]

28 guage micro coil with 6 wraps, 1.2 ohms and cotton through coil into the tank. Works good. You getting enough airflow? Idk if the t3 has a small hole like my rsst does. But drilling out really helped.

 

[Darkdreamz]

Sthur...enough airflow for lung hits...no. But imo the hole in the T3 is perfect for mouth to lung which I like doing unless I'm dripping. I may venture down that road eventually but for now I think I am ok with the amount of air I'm getting. Thank you for that build advice too bud!

Razz...I'll pick some of that up and give it a go...thank you!

MrUSA...ah ha! awesome, thank you! I was just poking and hoping so to speak on what mesh to get. I kept hearing it was all about flavor and not functionality, which I didn't really believe. Hell I don't even know what I've got, I'll have to go back and look at the order. I think its 425 and I like juices that are heavier on the VG so what you're saying makes perfect sense. Awesome idea with the 45° angle too, certainly sounds like that could potentially help.

Awesome, fellas...awesome! Thank you!

So what is your favorite genny?

 

[Glenn_K]

Greetings and welcome to the forum.

I find that even with my best mesh wick builds, I can rarely get a good vape above 4.3 - 4.5 volts; the vapor gets harsh and raunchy if the voltage is any higher, and I think this limit is determined by wicking ability.

But at 4.0 - 4.2 volts, I generally get an awesome vape, with exceptional flavor (compared to other RBAs I use) and decent vapor production.

What makes you think that the wick is the problem? Coil hotspots are a more common source of genny problems; it takes skill and practice to get the coil right (not too tight, not too loose, with even tension throughout). Here's a good ECF blog on genny builds: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/ehuman/3727-there-no-problems-aga-t-only-opportunities-hone-your-skills-part-1.html

-- Glenn

Hey guys, I've searched this out and found a few threads pertaining to what I'm interested in but I still can't post in them so I brought my question here. Too much lurking, not enough posting.

I'm a somewhat new builder and have even rebuilt some of the stuff you aren't supposed to be able to rebuild (evod, nautilus). However, I stepped into a couple mech mods recently and picked up a IGO W3, and a AGA-T3. I'm really digging the vapor buut my builds aren't quite there yet. Currently I'm most interested in my genny, the T3. I've tried 10 different builds on it, SS mesh rolled tight, SS mesh rolled loose, silica, cotton...and a few variations within those.

Is it just me or does the SS mesh suck at wicking. It works but you can't hit it too often or I'll get that lovely hot SS taste. Yumm! lol I've seen some guys using just a cotton cloud over the hole and thru the coil and letting it "spill" or leak into the cotton. I haven't tried exactly that yet but that is the next thing I am going to try. I have also heard that the T3 sucks and is not the easiest genny to build on. I agree, that damn ring around the wick hole is a really crappy design. But I love the look of it and am certainly willing to put up with a bit of a nuisance if I get it working well.

So what do the genny lovers have to say? You have one that you love building on, works great, etc? How about a particular build on it? Basically just what the title says...any genny advice you guys have for me I would greatly appreciate.

 

[BurntFingers]

I use the 7x7 SS rope, with an Ekowool "flavor savor". I find that the Ekowool keeps you from getting the metallic taste that I've gotten from plain mesh and plain rope. I learned all about rope and was made a believer by this thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/rebuildable-atomizer-systems/375999-wire-rope-wick.html
I ordered 50ft of rope from Amazon, and it's pretty much the standard for all of my gennys. I've been trying cotton lately, but without much success. I suppose there's a bit of a learning curve, and I'm just so used to SS and Eko, I can get it right just about every time. The only time I ever have any problems with SS is if I'm doing dual wicks, like in my Prometheus, one of the wicks usually leans over towards the centerpost, and jacks my resistance around, and on my Arnold the wicks are too close together and that causes some issues as well.

As for my favorite genny is probably the Pulse G. It has a chamber reducer and copper centerpin, and provides a pretty awesome vape. I'm also a fan of the old faithful RSST. I have two each of the RSST and the Pulse G clone. For the record, or to let you know what gennys I've tried or own: Prometheus, AGA-S, Cobra, Steamboy, Z-Atty Pro V1, Arnold Verdampfer, Mini DID, and the AIOS (which is sort of a genny). Good luck in the world of genesis atomizers!

 

[Darkdreamz]

Hey Glenn, thank you sir!

It very well could be a problem with my coils but is most likely some combination of the two. It doesn't seem to matter what coil I put on I get the same wicking problems. 9 out of 10 times I wrap the coils, spend some time getting it right, always fire the coil to get it burning nice and evenly and work out any hot spots before adding any wick material. Then check my resistance, do any last touch ups to the coil, check resistance, wick, add juice, fire, check connections, re-check the resistance. That is my SOP for just about every single build I do.
Then I'll douse the hell out of the wick and wire and hit it and it works wonderfully, then after all that additional juice is gone it has to wick on its own and thats when I have to slow down to maybe 1 pull every couple of minutes to be able to pull as hard as I want or fire it for as long as I want without it drying out.

I certainly don't know what I'm talking about, just using a bit of reasoning and observation to explain it.

 

[Nick Holmes]

I had a. T3 only good use I found for it was I made a keychain out of it and use it as a spare drip tip holder


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[Vaslovik]

Is it just me or does the SS mesh suck at wicking. It works but you can't hit it too often or I'll get that lovely hot SS taste. Yumm! lol I've seen some guys using just a cotton cloud over the hole and thru the coil and letting it "spill" or leak into the cotton. I haven't tried exactly that yet but that is the next thing I am going to try. I have also heard that the T3 sucks and is not the easiest genny to build on.

In my own experience SS mesh does not suck at wicking, nor do I get any bad taste from it. I get great vapor production and very good taste, but then I'm using an RSST, not an AGA. My first RBA was an AGA-T2, and it was a cantankerous device to say the least. When I got the RSST I noticed a big improvement in flavor right away, and it was a LOT simpler to build. I'm very happy with it. I've not tried the T3, nor will I. I'm happy with my RSST, and would recommend you get one and give it a try. I don't think it's the mesh that's giving you problems, I think it's the atty.

 

[Darkdreamz]

Yeah I'm going to pick up another regardless, I just hate for this purchase to go to waste. Not that it was much out of the pocketbook or anything...still kinda sucks. I had my eye on the RSST since forever ago...and then saw a good deal on the T3 and grabbed it. lol Thanks guys...I'm planning on doing just that!

 

[DurtyZ]

You should use SS rope with a mesh sleeve. No wicking problems at all, even over wicks some times!

 

[Darkdreamz]

Not sure how I missed your reply but, right on...my own research was pointing me towards the RSST anyway truthfully. Think I'll go grab one now.

Thanks for the links bud...much appreciated.

I use the 7x7 SS rope, with an Ekowool "flavor savor". I find that the Ekowool keeps you from getting the metallic taste that I've gotten from plain mesh and plain rope. I learned all about rope and was made a believer by this thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/rebuildable-atomizer-systems/375999-wire-rope-wick.html
I ordered 50ft of rope from Amazon, and it's pretty much the standard for all of my gennys. I've been trying cotton lately, but without much success. I suppose there's a bit of a learning curve, and I'm just so used to SS and Eko, I can get it right just about every time. The only time I ever have any problems with SS is if I'm doing dual wicks, like in my Prometheus, one of the wicks usually leans over towards the centerpost, and jacks my resistance around, and on my Arnold the wicks are too close together and that causes some issues as well.

As for my favorite genny is probably the Pulse G. It has a chamber reducer and copper centerpin, and provides a pretty awesome vape. I'm also a fan of the old faithful RSST. I have two each of the RSST and the Pulse G clone. For the record, or to let you know what gennys I've tried or own: Prometheus, AGA-S, Cobra, Steamboy, Z-Atty Pro V1, Arnold Verdampfer, Mini DID, and the AIOS (which is sort of a genny). Good luck in the world of genesis atomizers!

 

[dice57]

gennies are probably the hardest build to master. The critical part being constant even tension on your coil wraps. If you have one or two loose wraps hot spots are created which will give a nasty dry hit style hit. You are probably wicking fine but have hot spots on the coil. That's why one has to pulse and brush the coil to get it even and glowing consistent. Even then they can be fiddly.

The other part I don't like about gennies is that most leak when lying horizontal. Because of that, I have gravitated to rba's like the flashi, Russian, and Tailfun's. Though on one of my flashi builds use a SS mesh with hemp fiber core wick setup that works quite well, that I am pushing at 30 watts.

The other thing about gennies that has to be taken into consideration is the break in/seasoning time for a new wick. Takes a tank or two for the wick to season properly before it really starts to perform at its highest potential. I had to drop down to 23 watts for a few tanks on my current build before I could bump it up to 30.

But once you have a SS mesh build, dialed in and seasoned properly you do have one of the finest flavorful vape available, just takes a lot of time to get a handle on all the contributing factors.

 

[AMDTrucking]

I didn't do anything new except I use 0.8 X 0.1 Kanthal Ribbon with Silver leads welded to both ends of it. NR-R-NR. That way I can calculate my Resistance before I wrap my Coils and completely eliminate "Hot Leg" problem. For dual coil setup: I'm certain that each Coil has it's Resistance exactly the same. And, what is most important: All 100% of my Heating Element is in full physical contact with my Wicks and that is Efficient as it gets. Not to mention that Silver/Nickel wires are much easier to connect to the Terminals and they make much better Electrical Contact and don't heat up.
See for yourself: I hope you like them.

 

[Beamz]

the problem with genny's is that you have to tilt the mod as you vape to assist the wicking process. this is known as the genny tilt otherwise you just end up with dry hits

 

[DonMac]

If it's got the title Genesis on it, I love it. I've tried pretty much everything on the various models I own, from ss mesh different sizes, organic cotton rope, organic cotton, and silica wick. I have found for me personally, that I prefer the silica wick. The organic cotton rope, although great for dripping does not wick well in Gennies. I love the cotton and being able to immediately switch out any burned cotton and replace it with new cotton, with the coil in place, is a real plus. All my eliquids do taste different with the different builds. I find the lowest power settings that will work, usually provide me with the best flavor, although not necessarily the greatest amount of vapor.

 

[AMDTrucking]

the problem with genny's is that you have to tilt the mod as you vape to assist the wicking process. this is known as the genny tilt otherwise you just end up with dry hits

This is true for every Genny's except UD AGA-T3 which you don't have to tilt to keep your wick saturated with juice.

Vapeon!