getting into DIY have questions.

[markdm4805]

Hi everyone,

I have wanted to do DIY since I started vaping and now this FDA stuff has pushed me over the edge. I have a few questions. What is the difference between say 48mg nic and 100 mg and which is more recommended. How much nic base would i need for a 2 year supply. Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

[tencentcat]

Welcome to DIY.

For nic, you'll get more mileage and cost effectiveness from the 100mg. It's the same stuff, just a higher concentration. Just be careful with it.

As far as a two year supply, that depends on how much you vape, what mg nic you like, and if you plan on tapering down. I'd say get at least a few thousand milliliters. That would make me comfy at least.

 

[B2L]

I make a 18% nic base, for 200 ml it takes 60 ml of 60 mg nic, or 30% of the total base. I use, on average, 20% flavoring so with flavoring this would make the nic about 25% of my total volume. I vape, give or take, 10 ml of juice per day, multiplied by 365 days in the year, so we'll say 3650 ml of juice per year. 25% of that would be nic so about 912 ml of nic will last me about a year. If you plug in your own #'s, you should get a rough estimate of what you will need. The 100 mg nic is pretty potent stuff (as in it could be lethal). If you have kids or pets around, or are not willing/able to take proper storage and handling precautions, I would recommend going with 48 or 60 mg. The stickies in the DIY forum are an invaluable resource, be sure to read them all. All that being said, DIY juice is great fun and can, in the long run, save you tons of $. Have fun and enjoy the journey.

 

[Rachy_B]

DO NOT BUY 100mg JUICE! It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too strong! On another forum (a UK based one) they're strongly advising against it. Sorry...that's pretty much about all I know...oh, wear gloves! That's all I know!x

 

[Renolizzie]

I've been using 60mg nic. I really am concerned about poisoning another living creature like Hubby or the dogs if I use 100mg.

Have you read the DIY stickies?

When you store it in the freezer, make sure you double or triple bag it so that if the pressure of freezing busts the jar you won't have a nicotine nightmare all over the freezer, is my suggestion.

 

[Hoosier]

I use 100mg all the time. Never had an issue because I treat it like 100mg/ml nicotine.

Also my nicotine doesn't contain enough water to expand or freeze in my freezer. Water is an unusual substance because everything else shrinks as it cool, except water when it reaches solid state.

 

[purelyscientific]

What is the difference between say 48mg nic and 100 mg and which is more recommended.

If you are new to DIY is is STRONGLY recommended you do ot exceed 60mg/mL
The difference between 48mg and 100mg nic is 52mg/mL

If you plan on storing your nic in the freezer then leave a small space at the top of the bottle so it doesn't overflow when it heats up.

 

[john333]

i'm new to DIY and just ordered 100mg nic in a PG base. i also ordered 1 gallon each of pg and vg along with a variety of glassware. the first thing i'm going to do the 100mg nic is to double the pg and make it 50mg nic solution.

i ordered the pg and vg from Essential Depot. after shipping each cost $20.

wanted to order flavors from Wizard Labs but they arent taking orders right now due to their moving to a new location. rather, i ordered from RTS Vapes. they have good pricing especially on FlavorArt flavors. i think i ordered 22 flavors along with the nic solution and safety and measuring equipment.

with the flavors, glassware, pg/vg/nic and safety/measuring equip., i spent around $200.

PureScientific is a good resource for information and guidence - good luck

 

[Shilo]

I use 100mg all the time. Never had an issue because I treat it like 100mg/ml nicotine.

Also my nicotine doesn't contain enough water to expand or freeze in my freezer. Water is an unusual substance because everything else shrinks as it cool, except water when it reaches solid state.

Agreed. If you follow safety measures to the full extent and feel comfortable handling and having it in your home 100 mg is good as it will last longer than 48 mg and you will use less of of the nic juice in your mixtures. I started with 100 mg and am still using it just fine 18 months later. Each person must make their own choices in this matter but many start with a lower solution and in subsequent purchases buy higher strength.

 

[purelyscientific]

the first thing i'm going to do the 100mg nic is to double the pg and make it 50mg nic solution.

This is an excellent idea. Why run the risk of poisoning yourself over and over again? Just cut it once and be done with it.

No offence to anyone, but I think it is stupid to recommend to people who are new to DIY to use 100mg/mL
The general public is not careful and not informed enough imo, so until proven otherwise we should assume that of everyone and recommend a concentration that won't kill them if they happen to make the mistake of spilling it on themselves. Even 60mg/mL is pretty high.
If you do recommend 60+mg/mL concentration to someone please emphasize the importance of safety and the danger of Nicotine overdose.

 

[Shilo]

This is an excellent idea. Why run the risk of poisoning yourself over and over again? Just cut it once and be done with it.

No offence to anyone, but I think it is stupid to recommend to people who are new to DIY to use 100mg/mL
The general public is dumb imo, so until proven otherwise we should assume that of everyone and recommend a concentration that won't kill them if they happen to make the mistake of spilling it on themselves. Even 60mg/mL is pretty high.
If you do recommend 60+mg/mL concentration to someone please emphasize the importance of safety and the danger of Nicotine overdose.

There is plenty of info and warning all over this website particularly in the DIY in huge letters about nicotine solution purelyscientific---I am not here to police anyone nor rate their intelligence or likelihood of a particular person spilling something. I find what you said kind of condescending. As far as I know no one here has killed themselves or even injured themselves with 100 mg.---never seen one report in this forum in the two years time I have been in the DIY section.

I don't take these things lightly at all and am entitled to my opinion. As I said before let everyone do what they are comfortable doing and decide what is best for themselves. Nothing wrong with starting lower and using 100 mg later on----the vast majority do.

PS: It is also the responsibility of the vendor selling the nicotine to provide detailed warnings and instructions not just this forum.

 

[MorpheusPA]

I did have a minor issue with 100 mg/ml nicotine solution. I was pouring it into a holding bottle of half the size (two of them, of course, total) and spilled over. Onto my gloves. And into the sink that I was working over.

So wash the gloves and clean the sink. End of problem. Wear the gloves and always be careful!

Until you get used to handling it, 60 mg is a good idea. Or, like you said, immediately cut it by half with PG to make 50 mg. That makes it safer to work with, although I'd still wear gloves, of course.

 

[purelyscientific]

There is plenty of info and warning all over this website particularly in the DIY in huge letters about nicotine solution purelyscientific

Indeed there is, but it doesn't hurt to tell them again does it?

I find what you said kind of condescending.

All too often people mistake the tone of posts. I meant for the innotation of my post to be that of concern, not disrespect. I did not mean for it to come off as condescending.

As far as I know no one here has killed themselves or even injured themselves with 100 mg.---never seen one report in this forum in the two years time I have been in the DIY section.

Injured? As in Overdosed? I have heard several accounts of this happening before.

It is also the responsibility of the vendor selling the nicotine to provide detailed warnings and instructions not just this forum.

No doubt. But nicotine is stronger than arsenic mg for mg. So if you suggest such a high concentration as 100mg/mL(or ever 60mg/mL for that matter) I'd like to politely ask you to at the very least let them know what precautions they should take and the dangers if they do not take them. It only takes an extra second to do so, so why not do it?
Ever heard the saying "Common sense isn't that common"

The "dumb" part in my original post was poor wording on my part. I edited it to "not careful or informed enough"

 

[Rachy_B]

I knew I'd read it somewhere... it was the ukvapers.org forum and i just searched for 100mg nicotine and it came up (not sure if i'm allowed to copy and paste it onto here)... I wear gloves and goggles when I'm DIYing because I am THAT safety conscious. I just wouldn't touch the stuff without a hazmat suit on! Lol!x

 

[markdm4805]

Hey thanks everyone for all the advice. I am looking forward to trying DIY. I think given the opinions here on the forum I will play it safe and start out with 60 mg. Yes Gloves will definitely be a bare minimum of the safety equipment that I use. I have a lot of respect for things that have this many warnings and a little safety goes a long way. I hope soon I can give a full report on my first batch.

 

[DJ RyckRak]

Everyone-
As I posted before....
Please, Please- wear safety goggles or at the mimium-safety glasses.
Nic is bad stuff in the eyes.