Getting little clouds

[Sugar_and_Spice]

How you take a hit (inhale) is a huge factor in the clouds. If you are taking a mtl hit on a wide open dtl style tank your clouds will be dismal at best.

Sry AZ, Ima gonna have to disagree with this statement. I have been using a .27 ohm coil(RBA in original) in a crown tank and the watts are set at 16.6. My ejuice is diy 50/50. Sometimes the clouds are so much I have to wave my hand through the cloud to be able to see in front of my face. I am not sure exactly what 'type' of vaperor I am. I guess kinda in the middle of the MTL and DL? I hate labels being put on people so to me I am just a vaper. Also want to mention that both pg and vg actually draw moisture from our mouth, nose and throat that also aids in vapor production. This is why we need to have something to drink while vaping. Drinking liquids while vaping ensures we don't dehydrate ourselves and makes the vaping much more pleasurable while aiding to increase the cloud production.

YMMV.



Also want to add that the thicker the wire is in the coil the more ramp up times needed and that can really frustrate anyone if watts are too low. That will result is very low cloud production.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Well, I am not sure that I'd say cloud size is completely irrelevant, but since this is your first setup, I would try different coils, and sure different wattages, and if you desire 100% VG, well, that's obtainable (minus flavors). These will all play a role but the most important thing is whether you are enjoying your vape or not, and if it is helping you transition from smoking. Inhaling enough vapor to do that should be plenty of "cloud" but if you want more cloud, you certainly have options for going after it.

Anna

Not irrelevant to me. Hand to mouth motion and vapor production are very important to me. Visual and behavior actions plays a huge part of the old smoking habit and often transfers to the vaping journey. While I am certainly not a 'cloud' chaser, seeing the vapor tricks my brain into thinking I am still smoking therefore gives a certain level of satisfaction and helps to calm my nerves.

 

[Opinionated]

You misunderstood me. Yeah, people vape juice with no or very little PG in it. That's not the point.
No one vapes "100%" VG. I don't care what funny defintions Vapers make up, but 100% in itself is a very clear statement. If there is Nicotine, flavors and water in it, its not 100% VG anymore. Simple, no?
"Max VG" is another "yeah, whatever" definition. Could have said x% flavor; x% Nic; x% water, rest VG and everybody would actually know. But no; appearently thats too much info.

Sorry for the rambling; but as a Chemist this makes me cringe.

I understand this is a difficult concept for someone with an extremely analytical mind, however, your looking at the topic from an incorrect view.

When we are talking about "max vg ejuice" or "100% vg ejuice" there are clear indications that what is being discussed is indeed more than VG alone, as indicated by the designation of "ejuice". Otherwise, people would just say they are vaping VG, and not indicate it was ejuice.

Ejuice typically is comprised of 4 items. Nicotine, PG, VG, and flavorings.

Since nicotine is designated by its own percentage, such as "3mg max vg ejuice" we understand then that the "max vg or 100% vg is something clearly outside of nicotine content.

Which leaves us, when we explore the topic further, to be a designation of the amount of PG and/or VG in the ejuice, which is typically comprised of 4 things but now apparently is only comprised of 3 - as ejuice has flavorings unless it is specifically designated to be "unflavored ejuice"

It's rather a process of elimination, but really quite simple and very obviously for those with allergies, since 100% vg ejuice is devoid of PG even in the flavorings, and max vg ejuice still has the pg base in the flavorings.

 

[VHRB2014]

Most reviewers use 100% VG, and some reviewers won't tell you they are doing so.

 

[AzPlumber]

Sry AZ, Ima gonna have to disagree with this statement. I have been using a .27 ohm coil(RBA in original) in a crown tank and the watts are set at 16.6. My ejuice is diy 50/50. Sometimes the clouds are so much I have to wave my hand through the cloud to be able to see in front of my face. I am not sure exactly what 'type' of vaperor I am. I guess kinda in the middle of the MTL and DL? I hate labels being put on people so to me I am just a vaper. Also want to mention that both pg and vg actually draw moisture from our mouth, nose and throat that also aids in vapor production. This is why we need to have something to drink while vaping. Drinking liquids while vaping ensures we don't dehydrate ourselves and makes the vaping much more pleasurable while aiding to increase the cloud production.

YMMV.



Also want to add that the thicker the wire is in the coil the more ramp up times needed and that can really frustrate anyone if watts are too low. That will result is very low cloud production.

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Do you have the airflow set to wide open?

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

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Do you have the airflow set to wide open?

Yes I do on most of my tanks but then I am not using the biggest most powerful ones either.

 

[Zutankhamun]

Don’t worry bro. Little clouds are the best

No I don’t have an inferiority complex, but...
little clouds make me feel like a giant

 

[Zakillah]

I understand this is a difficult concept for someone with an extremely analytical mind, however, your looking at the topic from an incorrect view.

What part of my post made you believe I "don't get" it?
This isn't a "difficult concept" by any means; its trivial.

Most people are fine with the "max VG" definition. I´m not. If you talk about the composition of juice, giving the exact percentages is obviously more exact then simply saying "max VG".
Its not telling anything about how much flavor is in it and therefore not telling the exact numbers.
A "max VG" juice can be everything; a 90/10; 80/20; 95/5; maybe there is some water in it as well. Might as well just write a few numbers and everyone would know whats actually in the juice. I remember the days when people still did that instead of lazily saying "max VG".

 

[Opinionated]

No... it's not difficult for you at all.. lol.. it just makes you want to pull your hair out.

A factory made juice company isn't going to be giving out their recipes and what your asking fairly well amounts to that.

 

[Asbestos4004]

 

[Zakillah]

No... it's not difficult for you at all.. lol.. it just makes you want to pull your hair out.

A factory made juice company isn't going to be giving out their recipes and what your asking fairly well amounts to that.

Not really.
PG/VG ratio has nothing to do with what kinda flavors they used.
Its like Coca Cola saying there is 75% water and 24% sugar in it. With that info alone, you're still far away from being able to mix Coke.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Not really.
PG/VG ratio has nothing to do with what kinda flavors they used.
Its like Coca Cola saying there is 75% water and 24% sugar in it. With that info alone, you're still far away from being able to mix Coke.

So just drink it and move on. Geez!

 

[retired1]

Not really.

But you are.

If you talk about the composition of juice, giving the exact percentages is obviously more exact then simply saying "max VG".
Its not telling anything about how much flavor is in it and therefore not telling the exact numbers.

There is a rather large DIY community that tries very hard to replicate popular e-liquids and providing the exact composition of flavoring, VG and or PG percentages gives the DIYer a rather huge hint on where to start in the replication process. Companies are never going to provide that info. They may give PG/VG percentages, but that's it.

 

[Zakillah]

The hard part is the flavoring, not the PG/VG ratio, which btw the point of discussion was. When I mention "flavoring" its only because most flavors are PG solutions, so 15% flavoring will result in 15% PG.
Obviously I am not expecting juice companies to give away their complex flavor compositions in further detail.

 

[Eskie]

The biggest factor in cloud size isn't hardware. It's lung capacity. Little lungs, little cloud, even with a Smok cloud machine.

Oh, and the longer you hold the inhale in, the smaller the cloud too. Good for stealthy situations.

 

[stols001]

Joose matters too, if you are in an extreme category, though. My lung capacity has definitely improved, but I think even if I never touch a cigarette again, I'm unlikely to return to my pre-smoking abilities of biking 100 miles in a day and it being no big deal. Of course, I was also 17, and had an overabundance of energy.

But even with my non-Micheal Phelps lungs, I get more clouds than I really want, at ridiculously low wattages, because (until my PEG400 juice steeps) I can't use PG much over about 6-7% and I get ridiculous fog pretty easily using 90VG and 10% water. I'm hoping my clouds will improve (I got an air purifier in the meantime) and I kind of hope I can adjust to less "visible" vapor (I imagine I will) but I can fog up a room with very little effort.

IDK, maybe I am a natural cloud chaser and should start entering competitions but
a) I really doubt that quite a bit, unless my lungs are way more awesome than I think they are and
b) WHYYYYY?? I mean, why would I enter such a thing? LOL.

Anna

 

[AshKicker]

Hey everyone, just got the Smok Majesty Mod Luxe Edition with the TFV12 Prince Sub-Ohm Tank, and using the T10 .012 Ohm Decuple Coil with the Bulb Glass. Juice I'm using is 70/30 with 3MG of nicotine. My problem is that I'm not getting anywhere near the clouds I see people get when reviewing this kit. Don't know what I'm doing wrong, would greatly appreciate any advice that I get. Also still new to this, only been vaping for a week and a half now, quit smoking cigs for this. Also vaping at 85 Watts.

Also depends on how you blow your clouds. Don’t force it out and slowly exhale. I have a video on YouTube showing this technique

 

[AshKicker]

Also depends on how you blow your clouds. Don’t force it out and slowly exhale. I have a video on YouTube showing this technique

 

[AshKicker]

If you watch the video the first exhale I blew it out quickly but the second one I just tilted my head back, open my mouth and just lightly let the vaping escape with a slight push to make it extremely thick. Hope this helps