Glass Tanks & MT Baker Volatile Flavors!??

[Skullman]

Hey All: Just received my first order from Mt Baker & in the paper work they sent they say do Not use these flavors in Plastic tanks only in Glass tanks! OK, that’s all well in good but it sure would have been nice to know this before hand!

So here I sit contemplating what to do as I have No glass tanks at the moment! It leaves me with the Phoenix & Octopus to drip with but nothing to take with me? I have a couple of Kanger Pro Tanks coming but not sure when they will arrive? What do You All recommend I do? What Glass Tanks are out there I can get Right Quick? What Glass Tanks are You using with these Volatile eLiquids?

Thanks
Skullman {:{}

 

[The Ocelot]

Hi! Here's my blog on liquids, I'm sure Baditude will be here soon to link to his: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/the-ocelot/3786-eeekkk-its-melting.html

I have glass tanks and polypropylene tanks. I also use CE3 XL cartomizers (which are actually bottom coil clearos - called the "Phoenix Bottom Coil" at gotvapes).

ETA: I'll leave it to Mr. 'tude to explain how to put a tank together. He did it for me, and I am forever grateful.

 

[Baditude]

Right behind you, Ocelot.

Something safe to use with cinnamon and citrus type flavors that can crack or melt plastic clearomizers and tanks:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...6-something-safe-cinnamon-citrus-flavors.html

 

[Skullman]

Hey Ocelot & Baditude Thank You for the info! Looking at it all I see that some of these Tanks that are Metal with Windows in em can be Safe to Use with these Volatile eliquids!?? I don’t see any info on the Kanger MT3 what’s the word on it? I’m waiting on a couple Kanger Pro Tanks but I’m not sure when they are being shipped and I have all these New Flavors to play with!

I’ve had the Phoenix for a while & I do like it but I’m impressed with this New Little Octopus Guy! It holds quite a bit of liquid hits real well works great on the eGo batteries as well as the Gripper! Just got to be careful setting it down it will leak so Thank God for the Puck Stand!

Also, looking at these Pyrex Tanks they don’t make any threaded to work with Vivi Nova Type Bases & Caps? Seems Real Exclusive to their own hardware! Am I missing something or are there Threaded Pyrex Tanks out there? Seems to me the Non-Threaded Tanks are too easy for them to come apart since only being held together with O-Rings? In my opinion Not Great for the pocket or transport? Any Opinions on this?

Skullman {:{}

 

[Thucydides]

Just got my IBTanked clear 19mm standard tank kit in the mail today. I loaded it up and screwed it into my eVic when I got home from work. It makes me want to shout from the rooftops: Everybody using cartos needs to get a carto-tank today! Unbelievable flavor. Unbelievable vape. Unbelievable ease. Unbelievable good looks. My goodness, does it get any better than this?

The only problem is that the packs of prepunched cartos I ordered from another vendor (IBtanked was out of stock) came in 45mm instead of 35mm. I can still use them, but they'll stick out 1cm from the tank body. I don't know if I ordered the wrong kind or if they shipped the wrong kind. I went back to IBtanked and ordered a 19mm XL. Problem solved.

Baditude, thanks for your blog posts on the topic, which were extremely helpful. The only thing that they're lacking is an unequivocal demand that everybody use them.

 

[UncleChuck]

So are you certain this warning was specifically in regards to your juices, or perhaps just a general overall warning from MBV? Only certain flavorings should cause issue with Polycarbonate tanks, what are the specific flavors you ordered? It's possible they won't cause problems with your tanks.

If you have any bits of Polycarbonate hanging around you can always test the juice out on that, and see if it causes any degradation. Or put a single drop on the outside of one of your tanks to test it out.

I'd look into the possibility that your juices are fine and the warning is a general one MBV gives out just to cover themselves, if you know what I mean.

About your question on the metal tanks with the little window, if that little window is Polycarbonate then you'll still have the same problem of certain juices screwing the plastic up. I'm not sure how they are constructed, it's possible they use thin PET or something like that for the window, in which case it wouldn't be harmed by juice, but I've yet to hear anything like that.

AFAIK there are no threaded glass tanks. Threading metal endcaps onto glass threads is asking for trouble, regardless of the quality of glass being use. Doing so can cause very high amounts of stress focused on a small area of the threading, cracking the tank very easily.

IBtanks are the only glass tanks I have, and I couldn't even imagine the tank falling apart or anything like that. I've carried my IBtank around in my pocked on top of my Vamo in 18350 mode, and never had the tank fall apart. The main issue with tanks (glass or plastic) is them sliding up and off of the carto. A tight fitting drip tip that's slightly larger in diameter than the carto can help to keep the tank body in place, but in my experience IBtanks offer pretty damn good holding ability.

Once you let them sit a little bit the o-rings grab onto the carto a lot stronger than if you have just moved the tank around. I can pick up all of my PVs by the tank and have it not even budge. So basically, no risk of the tank falling apart, slight risk of it sliding off the carto, but if you pay even just a little bit of attention you shouldn't have any problems.

 

[The Ocelot]

Hi -

The Vivis with the metal sleeves and a window are not safe. The product isn't a metal tube, it's a metal sleeve that goes over a regular tube.

The Kanger Protank is made of pyrex, so will be safe, if it ever gets here. For small amounts of juice to try, I've been using CE3 XLs (gotvapes calls it the "Phoenix Bottom Coil" cartomizers) which are a clearo not a carto, as far as I can tell.

Both Baditude's and my blog list products that are safe to use.

 

[jenmurray116]

You guys are the best - and always a step ahead of me! I ordered a few new juices from MBV the other day and it just hit me that one was cinnamon roll - and I only have the CE4 type clearo's, so I need something else quick. The Kanger Pro tank seems perfect but I'm wondering how easy it will be to find since it seems like it was just released...?

 

[Baditude]

I see that some of these Tanks that are Metal with Windows in em can be Safe to Use with these Volatile eliquids!?? I don’t see any info on the Kanger MT3 what’s the word on it?

General rule: If it is plastic and clear, it likely is polycarbonate and susceptible to the volatile flavors. The other plastic, polypropylene, is frosted and is immune to those flavors. The metal Vivi Nova's with clear windows and the MT3 with clear windows are polycarbonate and are succeptible to crack.

Also, looking at these Pyrex Tanks they don’t make any threaded to work with Vivi Nova Type Bases & Caps? Seems Real Exclusive to their own hardware! Am I missing something or are there Threaded Pyrex Tanks out there? Seems to me the Non-Threaded Tanks are too easy for them to come apart since only being held together with O-Rings? In my opinion Not Great for the pocket or transport? Any Opinions on this?

I've not seen any pyrex tanks with threads. OCD, the glassman at IBTanked.com had been researching into the possiblily of making a glass tank for the Vivi Nova and dropped the experiment as a "no go". Too cost prohibitive.

You seem to not had a quality cartotank before. These tanks fit pretty tight, although there is a brand of DCT which will remain nameless which has a rather notorius reputation of being slidey. I put my mods topped with a cartotank in a side pants pocket on a regular basis and I have NEVER had a tank mishap. I don't even think twice about it.

However, since the beginning, I've always practiced lifting the PV by it's body, and NOT the tank. That's just common sense.

 

[akatina]

FWIW, I've had no issue with MBV/s cinnamon roll in my polycarbonate (clear plastic) clearos. YMMV. Root beer, however, will cloud polycarb.

And remember, polypropylene (frosted looking plastic) is usually safe with "tank cracking" juices, you don't have to go straight from polycarb to glass.

 

[xanderxman]

I have been using White Out from MBV in a plastic tank for months now with no issue. It is on the list of tank cracking juices. I have yet to see even the slightest amount of etching, much less cracking.

 

[Baditude]

Baditude, thanks for your blog posts on the topic, which were extremely helpful. The only thing that they're lacking is an unequivocal demand that everybody use them.

Thanks for the shout out. I would like for them to be available and easy to find for everyone to read. Perhaps as a sticky in the appropriate sections. It could be done but the ECF membership needs to make their desire known to the administrator, Old Soldier.

Much of the information for new vapors in the Info Zone is quite out-dated and needs to be updated, especially at the rate new members are joining.

 

[UncleChuck]

I believe there are actually one or two tanks on the market that use PET, the same stuff they make some juice bottles out of, the clear stiff ones. PET is safe with all juices and still perfectly clear, I'm surprised it isn't more commonly used for tanks. If anyone knows the name of the tank with a PET tube I'd love to hear it, I remember it on either a video review or from a retailer somewhere, but can't remember the name, and all the searches I do come up with results about vaping and pets, not PET.

 

[Baditude]

I believe there are actually one or two tanks on the market that use PET, the same stuff they make some juice bottles out of, the clear stiff ones. PET is safe with all juices and still perfectly clear, I'm surprised it isn't more commonly used for tanks. If anyone knows the name of the tank with a PET tube I'd love to hear it, I remember it on either a video review or from a retailer somewhere, but can't remember the name, and all the searches I do come up with results about vaping and pets, not PET.

I've read that the PET is still susceptible to some of the stronger volatile flavors, Uncle. It is better than polycarbonate in this sense, but not a sure thing as are pyrex and polypropylene.

 

[The Ocelot]

I have been using White Out from MBV in a plastic tank for months now with no issue. It is on the list of tank cracking juices. I have yet to see even the slightest amount of etching, much less cracking.

Not everyone has a problem - or at least not right away. Things like extra flavor shots and how long the liquid is left in a tank have to be considered. I used one flavor exclusively in a vivi nova, which I don't think I rinsed out (or if I did, not many times) and it took about 3-4 weeks before I noticed a problem and it was very slight. When I screwed off the top cap to fill it there were a few fine hair-like strands coming off of the threads. I kept using it for awhile until I figured out the strands were the threading coming apart. It never got to the point it leaked before I stopped using it.

 

[UncleChuck]

I've read that the PET is still susceptible to some of the stronger volatile flavors, Uncle. It is better than polycarbonate in this sense, but not a sure thing as are pyrex and polypropylene.

That could very well be true, it would be great to have an "ecig testing institute" that sits around all day trying different juice with different materials, refining electronics in PVs, and working out all the little vaping problems out there. Maybe one day!

Plastics do have the advantage of being cheap and durable, and give a higher capacity tank for the same size due to the thickness of glass required to be durable enough for a tank. So I hope they continue to refine plastic tanks as well as glass tanks, using PET would seem like a good step.

 

[serenity21899]

Pretty much all the juice I currently have is from MBV and I have never had an issue. However, just to be on the safe side, I do use the ones on the list only in my IBTanked pyrex tank. It is worth getting the ss caps IMO. Get the kit the first time, so you get the tank tool. Once you get it put together, juice and the orings form a tight seal. I have carried them loose in my purse, and never had an issue with spillage.

 

[TheBergMan]

Here is a link of Mbv juices known to damage clearos. I'm fixing to start vaping again myself and plan on getting a clearo so I had to find out E Juice that may break a plastic tanks | Mt Baker Vapor WikiMt Baker Vapor Wiki

 

[Skullman]

Hey Thanks All for Your Help, Links & Comments! OK, I’m putting My Trust in these Glass Tanks do to your comments I’m still a little leery about the seals but I see no other alternative for these Volatile eliquids? OK OK, I know the Cartomizers but I’m looking for Tanks! And Yes Mt Baker stated exactly in the paper work Warning that the eliquids I purchased are Volatile! I’m not sure which Tanks I want to go with so if you have a Favorite Please let me know!

Thanks
Skullman {:{}

 

[The Ocelot]

Hey Thanks All for Your Help, Links & Comments! OK, I’m putting My Trust in these Glass Tanks do to your comments I’m still a little leery about the seals but I see no other alternative for these Volatile eliquids? OK OK, I know the Cartomizers but I’m looking for Tanks! And Yes Mt Baker stated exactly in the paper work Warning that the eliquids I purchased are Volatile! I’m not sure which Tanks I want to go with so if you have a Favorite Please let me know!

Thanks
Skullman {:{}

Hi - I don't know close you read Baditude and my blogs, but glass isn't the only option. You can use polypro tanks, like the ones from Valley View Vapes, or like this: 510 SCT-V2 3.5ml Tank

You can also use Vivi Novas, provided your get metal tubes.