Going from xhale02 to Vapor Kings KR808D-1

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Hello everyone,

I saw my first e-cigarettes on a trip to Poland with my wife several months back. Curiously, I had just gone through one of my occasional periods of having briefly quit smoking, but had quickly begun to fail, as usual. I was using nicotine gum and neatly cut down kebab skewer sticks to chew/suck on as an aid to quitting, but that just wasn't cutting it. No pun intended. The trip to Poland was stressful enough that I completely gave up on quitting (which wasn't really going all that well anyway). My wife was disappointed, but was supportive in helping me buy cigarettes from kiosk vendors that didn't speak much English. She is a sweetheart.

Though the e-cigarettes I saw in many stores throughout Poland caught my eye, I figured there wasn't much point getting into them, mainly because I thought they were unavailable in the US. Apparently I was wrong, but I'd never seen e-cigarettes in a store here, at least until recently. Then I saw the m401 model type xhale02 e-cigarettes that 7-11s are now selling. The price for a starter set was only about $20, so I took the plunge. I was fairly pleasantly surprised with these e-cigarettes. I have been on them about 3 weeks now, and I'm on my 2nd 10-pack of regular flavor refill cartridges (medium nicotine level).

I've had maybe two regular (analog) cigarettes since then. No, the analogs don't taste disgusting to me now. Nothing like that, but the e-cigarette habit has become my new and preferred way of getting my nicotine fix. I'm completely sold on the concept, wishing I had checked into it much earlier than I have, not that it matters much now. The concept is great, and working, but I definitely want something more satisfying than the 7-11 e-cigs I've stared with. Now I've order two white (with blue LED tip) standard sized KR808D-1 automatic batteries from Vapor Kings (not to be confused with Vapor King, which is apparently a completely different brand/company).

I already have a USB charger from my xhale02 starter kit, and despite slight size differences between the two batteries I can still apparently use my current xhale02 supplied USB charger for a KR808D-1, so I didn't feel a need to go the new starter kit route this time. That way the price has turned out to be very reasonable. I did throw in a 5-pack of 555 tobacco flavor (medium nicotine level) cartomizers, just so I have something to try when the new model batteries arrive. I'm pretty excited about these new batteries, though I hope the slight extra thickness of the KR808D-1 models doesn't put me off too much. It shouldn't, as it's not much thicker than what I'm using now.

Say what you will about the xhale02 from 7-11, it is a very realistic looking size, with an appropriate length and great feel. I think that's very helpful in making the switch from analogs to e-cigs. Throat hit is not all that great, very mediocre most of the time, though I do occasionally get a very satisfying hit off of mine. Vapor production from the little xhale02 is not bad either, at least when a cartridge is fresh. Even the flavor of these little cartridges is not bad, just not great. They do taste a little like plastic, but not much. The biggest negative about the xhale02 is the relatively short battery and refill cartridge life. This is particularly annoying, since you can't just buy a spare extra battery by itself at a 7-11. You have to either buy a whole new $20 starter set, or buy an extra online instead for about as much money as a new starter set.

Same with the extra vaporizers for the 3-piece xhale02 unit, though I've had no problems with mine yet. I smoked about a pack a day of light 100s when I used to smoke. An xhale02 refill cartridge lasts me about a day, but sometimes only half a day, just depending on how my day is going. I wouldn't really say that each cartridge is equivalent to a pack of cigarettes, maybe more like 10 or so cigarettes. The plastic xhale 02 carry case is actually not too bad, but feels very disposable. It's flexible plastic hinge will probably break on me soon, but it does fit neatly and lightly in any of my pockets.

I really wanted to talk and ask some questions about the KR808D-1 model batteries I'll be receiving soon, but this is a long enough post as it is, so I will leave well enough alone for now. Next time I think I'll do a comparative review between my current xhale02 e-cigs and my forthcoming KR808D-1 set. Hopefully I'll have improved experience results to report. Bye for now.
 

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I had a quick story I wanted to tell regarding my experience so for just using the 7-11 xhale02 e-cig. A friend of mine, who quit smoking cold turkey about a year ago, saw me using my e-cigs for the first time recently. He was so impressed with them that he researched e-cigs online, and eventually ordered some Green Smoke brand e-cigs for his mother, to help her quit smoking. Since it is taking awhile for them to ship, my friend went ahead and got his mother a 7-11 xhale02 starter set. She has used it successfully on a trip she is on to Washington. She was even able to puff on it without any problems at the airport, and even on the airplane! She thought that was pretty cool. I don't know if she is hooked yet, or is so far just using the e-cigs to supplement her analog cigarette habit. Either way, I thought that was a great story. I am happy for my friend and his mother. I think she will do okay.
 

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Wow, just got my Vapor Kings KR808D-1 batteries the other day (two days ago now). Turns out that the m401 USB charger is NOT compatible with them! Luckily I found other means to charge the new batteries. Unfortunately, I have to say...I am not impressed with them. Really, I am not impressed at all! Though I find the 7-11 xhale02 less than ultimately satisfying, at least it is apparently satisfying enough, while the KR808D-1 is not! Vapor production doesn't seem any different. In fact, I'd say it is LESS with the KR808D-1. If I puff on an m401, I get some vapor, enough that if I inhale I will still exhale an okay little cloud of vapor. Not with the KR808D-1 though, which I only get some vapor with if I don't inhale, which seems rather lame. There is less throat hit with the KR808D-1 cartridges, which include 11mg and 16mg nicotine cartomizers, both of which I've tried in two different flavors (both "tobacco" flavors, though each one different).

The size of the KR808D-1 is about an inch longer than the xhale02, which makes it a bit long, though there is a shorter KR808D-1 battery length available (with a shorter battery charge life, still supposedly longer than the xhale02). If those shorter batteries were used, the length difference between the two different e-cigs would be marginal. The KR808D-1 has more girth, which makes it feel more like a small cigar, but that's not all that bad in and of itself. Definitely less of an analog cigarette feel though. The m401 xhale02 e-cig definitely is a handier and more analog cigarette realistic size and feel, though there doesn't seem to be much weight difference between the two e-cig types at all, which is surprising. The lack of much flavor with the KR808D-1 e-cig cartomizers is a significant problem. I can see why people usually refill these cartomizers with their own choice of fresher e-liquid/juice. That might make for a big improvement, but I'm not sure I want to bother investing anymore time and effort into an e-cig that just isn't working for me.

I think I will stick with my 7-11 m401 xhale02 e-cig, making the best of it, rather than continue playing with the KR808D-1 e-cigs. I will get a spare battery (possibly two), vaporizer, and try some other flavored refill cartridges for the m401 (or whatever type the xhale02 is) from an online source. I've seen a few such sources beyond the brand that supplies its version of these e-cigs to 7-11. As I'm writing this, I am still puffing away on both types of e-cigs, and I still think the less expensive and smaller 7-11 xhale02 is the overall better vapor experience of the two types. I'm a bit annoyed that I wasted some time and money even bothering with trying out a different e-cig, but I guess as a newbie maybe I couldn't help doing so. One can't help wondering if the grass is greener on the other side of the mountain, eh?
 

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I have no experience with either of the PVs you mentioned, but it sounds like you are looking for a more satisfying vape out of yours.

I started with the Joye eGo and have enjoyed every minute of it. The kit was around $60 dollars with free shipping from litecig. It comes with 2 batteries, a charger, 2 atomizers, 5 carts.

I would then suggest buying your own nicotine juice, you can get it right there from litecig. I personally prefer Tastyvapor though.

When you first start out a lot of people want their ecig to taste and feel like an analog, but the more and more you vape the more you'll realize you don't care how it looks and you'll want more from it. There are more flavors out there then tobacco and this is where I really caught on. Start reading up on nicotine strengths and flavors and look to moving towards a better PV. I'm not sure how much you are looking to spend, but for about $100 you can get a great PV and enough juice to last a month or so.
 

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Hi billybc, good to see you here on ECF. As far as KR808D1's are concerned, your on the right path - you just haven't got there yet.

Go to Vapor4Life-Because it's your life - E-Cigarettes/Smoking Alternatives and order some Premium or WOW Vapor Cartomizers in whatever flavor you choose. I'd also get some Premium or WOW Vapor blanks - more on that in a minute. Everything V4L sells is KR808D-1.

Screw one of these carto's on your KR808D-1 battery and I think you'll find you are happy with vaping.

Now, go to FreedomSmokeUSA and order some of their PG/VG Based e-liquids and fill a couple of those blank cartos using the condom method and try that. Their Wyatt Earp is very popular.

There are many other suppliers out there. I mention these to get you started.

Now, go to the ECF Library and start reading. It sounds like your making a few newbie mistakes. For example, how are you recharging your KR808D-1 battery? If you are using your xhale02 charger, I doubt that is going to work. Get a charger from V4L. What carto's are you using on the KR808D-1? Again, you don't say ...but if you use cheapo cartos your going to get what you paid for.

I use KR808D-1's full-time as do many others on this Forum. Until you move up to something like the eGo or a mod the KR808D-1 is usually an excellent choice for beginners as well as old timers. Just for information - I've never heard of a xhale02 so that shows how popular they must be.

Again, go to the ECF Library and read about all this. After that if you still have more questions or comments, get back on here and tell us about it. Hope this is of some help to you!
 

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I appreciate the advice, but I think I should stick with what it is working for me. I've tried two different kinds of KR808D-1 e-cigs so far (manual and automatic), from two different companies (which is how I did still end up with a correct size USB charger). I used their accompanying pre-filled cartomizers, which may not be the best way too go in the long run, but SHOULD have worked out well enough for a newbie.

Cold Turkey and Vapor Kings were the online companies who's products I tried. Admittedly not top of the line products perhaps. But really, the Vapor Kings at least should have been just fine. If I'm happier with the m401, that seems to be the e-cig who's cartridges I should be refilling, not the other ones. Just makes sense to me based on my own experience for me. I am aware the KR808D-1 has a strong following, which is why I was so keen on checking them out in the first place.

Obviously there is a wide variety of tastes in this sort of thing out there, that's why there are so many different kinds of e-cigarettes. Luckily there are some good sources and cool looking products for the m401 e-cig model line, so I can still have plenty of fun. I'm planning on trying out Halo E-liquid, and at some later point I'll probably try Intellicig USA's EVO line of m401 batteries, vaporizers, and their improved capacity blank cartridges, though there are several other decent suppliers out there listed at ECF.
 

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Billy; I too started out with the xhale02's and thought they were decent. Your description pretty much nailed it on the head. My first "real" ecig that i bought (and still love) is the m401 from litecigusa.net. I got a starter kit with the PCC and have nothing but good things to say about it. At first, I was a little disappointed with vapor production since I was expecting it to blow the xhaleo2 out of the water, but after 2 days the attys got broken in, I learned how to tweak my inhale to get more, and was very happy. Just when I thought I was all set up, I purchased some E Juice from vaporbomb - amazing. I got the 50/50 PG/VG mix of several flavors in 18mg strength and it just kicked things up like 8 notches for me. HUGE vapor clouds, good TH, and good nic buzz after a few mins of vaping.

You're right in saying that everyone's tastes are different, but you seem to have had the same type of intro to ecigs as I did, and my experience has been getting better and better.
 

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That's pretty much my plan at this point. I'm glad to see a similar m401 based plan worked out well for someone else. Very cool. Thank you for the support. I will let you know how it goes with the stuff I'll be trying out.

How have all of you done as regards nicotine levels? I'm at about 11mg right now, which seems okay. When I'm using my own juice though, how will that affect how I feel about my nicotine level? I'd like to try figuring that out before I buy if there will be a significant difference.
 

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Placed an order today for 2 black EVO m402 batteries from Intellicig USA, a black m402 size PCC from LiteCigUSA (along with 2 of their black atomizers - cheaper than Intellicig USA's), and a 30 ml bottle of 12mg Freedom E-juice from Halo. I'm still doing fine with my in hand 7-11 xhale02 e-cig, but am still looking forward to improving my original experience.

I almost just got the 100% VG ECOpure e-liquid instead of the Halo brand, but I've heard great things about Halo, and I also recently found their 10% off coupon code. They currently also have a promotion where they are sending a free 5ml bottle of their Torque56 flavor with a 30ml bottle order, so I went ahead and took the plunge. I'd still like to try the ECOpure Rich flavor sometime, but I can't try everything at once, at least not on my budget. I don't think PG causes me any problems anyway.

Hey, I guess I have enough posts now not to be considered a newbie anymore, eh? My next post, I'll give my impression of how all those new items I've ordered work out together. Probably a new thread just on the regular forum board. I hope I don't get disappointed again. As a side note, was able to sell one of my KR808D-1 starter kits (cheap one, was only
$25, but lousy return policy) online, so I'm a little happier about my mistakes in all this not costing me much. Got who bought them seemed to like them okay, but they are his first e-cigs. Was also a little disappointed with vapor output, but seemed to like the throat hit well enough.
 

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No, I'm sorry, they are very similar, but not entirely compatible. I just recently got everything I ordered, except for my Halo E-liquid/juice. The m402/03 PCC works great (that's the charger that looks like a pack of cigs, sold at several sites). The new m402 batteries fit it, but NOT the xhale02 7-11 e-cigs! So the xhale02 is a non-compatible copy of an m401, with different battery threads, and the cartridges are also very slightly dimensionally different. I haven't gotten to vape the Intellicig e-cigs yet, as I'm still on my Labor Day weekend holiday. Hopefully the Halo juice will have been delivered by the time I get back home. As a side note, connections on Intellicig m402 batteries are silver, not gold, unlike the LiteCigUSA atomizers I got, which have gold connections, but they do fit and work together fine. The xhale02 atomizers and batteries, though otherwise dimensionally similar, do not.
 

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I got the Halo E-liquid yesterday. Finally was able to try all the new stuff. All items took 2-3 days overall to ship, without any extra shipping charges. I'm not absolutely sure the LiteCigUSA atomizers are completely compatible with the Itellicig batteries, as there is a slight gap between the two when screwed together. They work, but they are a bit noisy, with a noticeable (sometimes gurgling) sucking sound. That may be normal for an m# series e-cig, but I'm going to order one black Intellicig atomizer just to be sure. At least the Intellicig atomizer will have matching silver thread connectors, so that will be alright by me. I'm not thrilled with the extra noise, though it is not a deal breaker by any means. I actually like a little bit of noise, but less would be preferable.

I opened the Halo Freedom E-liquid bottle, to air out for 24 hours, as recommended by other site members. Used it right away anyway in my new black LiteCigUSA blank cartridges. Halo definitely produces better overall vapor than the standard 7-11 xhale02 cartridges, but the difference is not huge. The Halo Freedom E-liquid flavor is different, of course, but it is similar in that it is fairly subtle and mild. It has slightly more throat hit, but it also has slightly more nicotine, which alone probably explains the difference.

I tried the small 5ml bottle of free Torque56 flavor juice sent by Halo with my order. It was a higher nicotine level, 18mg, and so it had an extra heavy throat hit which I did not like. At first, I thought I also did not like Torque56's seemingly heavier flavor either, but then I tried using it as refill juice in some of my used up xhale02 cartridges. The xhale02 cartridges do not refill very easily, because they do not come apart, so refilling had to be done carefully. I got extra e-juice all over the place, but the Torque56 did taste much better in diluted form with whatever xhale02 e-juice was left in the cartridge. I actually kind of liked the combination, so I will experiment with diluting the Torque56 in my bigger bottle of Halo Freedom e-juice. I already have a bunch of filled cartridges now, so I probably won't do that for another day or two. I will report on how that goes.

All in all, I think I might like the Halo Torque56 just a bit better, at least in a lower nicotine form, but it is too soon to tell. When I order that extra Intellicig atomizer, I will also order some ECOpure E-liquid and try that out. Like many e-liquids out there, people seem to either hate it or love it. It has no PG in it at all, so it will certainly be interesting to try it out and compare. The taste differences between the Halo Freedom and Torque56, barring the nicotine level differences, are relatively subtle. Halo Freedom has a bit of a vanilla-like aftertaste, while Torque56 has more of a woody aftertaste. Torque56 vapor tastes a bit more like real "smoke", but that's not necessarily a good thing. Depends on your tastes.

If it wasn't for the increased vapor production of the better refill juice, ease of refilling cartridges, and the availability of an excellent PCC recharging carry case, I would just continue using and stay with the 7-11 xhale02 e-cigarettes. They are perfectly fine, and have readily available replacement cartridges. Though I never would have thought it, I have found that I enjoy refilling my new cartridges, despite the mess that can be involved. It's fun, kind of like hand rolling your own tobacco I suppose, though I never did that when I was on analogs. The m402 Intellicig batteries last about 3 hours with heavy continued use, which is not much different than my xhale02 battery. The big difference is that m402 batteries charge up much quicker (like in an amazing 30 minutes) in my new PCC I got from LiteCigUSA. I'm not all that sure that Intellicig's batteries are in any way all that superior to other competing m# series batteries. Supposedly they can take more recharges before going bad, but I will hopefully not be able to report on that for a long time.
 

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Update on the LiteCigUSA atomizers. They do eventually fit flush with Intellicig batteries, it just takes a couple of times of screwing them on and off for it to happen. It's strange how I still like vaping on my xhale02 e-cig more than my m402 when it is refilled with the Halo Freedom e-juice mix. It is so much quieter, nearly silent, and seems to have a slightly better draw as well. Interesting. If I could find easily refillable replacement cartridges for my xhale02, I think I would go that route instead of the m402. Strange, eh? Anyone know of any such compatible cartridges out there? (I know the m# series ones do not, due to length issue.) Also, it seems my m# series cartridges don't last very long with out having to be refilled, compared to a factory filled xhale02 e-cig, but I have been vaoing a lot recently, so that might account for it.
 

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"The xhale02 cartridges do not refill very easily, because they do not come apart, so refilling had to be done carefully. I got extra e-juice all over the place"

Actually, they can be taken apart. At the draw end of the cart, take a small paperclip and bend it straight. Insert into the draw end and gently pry off the end cap. Then take the paperclip and insert it into one of the holes that are now visible. You can now push out the cart filling and refill with your fave juice. Pretty amazing, huh? I learned that trick on youtube.

Also, using a pair of tweezers, try to remove as much of the foil/plastic from the cart filling before you drip your juice in.
 

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On another note, I also was having trouble with the xhale 02 batteries dying on me after only less than a week of use. But if you read on the pack that it comes in, it says to return to place of purchase and get a replacement. I did this a few times with no trouble at all. The 4th time, I contacted xhale 02 online and they sent me 2 new batteries and a new atty. Good PR for them.
 

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Well I'm happy for ya billy and I always say "go with what ya know". If the m401 works for you stick with it, all I have to add is that the battery KR808D-1 has nothing to do with vapor production. Vapor production is all about the juice pg/vg ratio, the more vg the more vapor. Best thing to do when trying to dial in your nicotine sweet spot is to buy some samplers bottles 5ml of 11 & 18, or buy 2 packs of cartos at 11 & 18. If the 18's are too strong just hold on to them and give them to a friend. Nobody can tell you what's best and your past smoking frequency or brand will not dictate that either....you need to experiment a little.
 
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