Going from xhale02 to Vapor Kings KR808D-1

[billybc96]

No, I'm afraid not, and I'm no longer researching it deeply either. For all I know, the xhale02 is its own proprietary animal, not technically compatible with any other manufacturer's stuff at all. Kind of surprising, really, but that's how it seems. Still, some kind of thread adapter might be available, just not an e-cig specific one, so it may or may not work. I'm not sure it's worth bothering to mess with. Maybe some in depth online research can provide an answer, or just directly contacting the manufacturer/seller of the xhale02?

I'm finding that 30+5+20mls. of e-liquid lasts a very long time. All those previous e-liquids I've tried are now mixed in my 30ml bottle of Halo Freedom e-juice, and it is about 2/3 full after several weeks of regular vaping. That's pretty darn good value for the money compared to using factory prefilled cartridges or continuing to smoke aniline. I think I'm finally ahead of the game, even after my experimenting that wasted a bit of money. Pretty cool. I can't wait to try some other e-liquids, but this has turned out to really be working great for me.

 

[LowThudd]

Billy have you figures out what battery the xhale is i thinking about seeing if there is an adaptor for kr808 carts

It's a M40x model, and I *think* GoodProphets.com has adapters for $1

 

[DrOckW]

I have successfully used an m401 atty to 510 batt adaptor on both the xhale and the prototype mailed out. I use the atty on my Riva for flavor testing.

Don't know why it wouldn't work the other way.

Doc

 

[billybc96]

The m401, 02, & 03 model batteries have a slightly different thread arrangement than that on an xhale02, in that the thread post is longer on an m400 series battery. You can thread an xhale02 atomizer on one of my m402 batteries, but not all the way down flush. You'll have a gap of a few millimeters. The atomizer still works though, somewhat, but airflow is very different. I can screw an xhale02 into an m402 PCC, but it's thread post is not long enough to reach down far enough for it to actually charge. The xhale02 is very similar in a lot of ways to an m400 series e-cig, but it is not exactly the same. Saying that it is just isn't true. Some things will be compatible between the two different types, but not everything. What compatibilities there are between the two...they just don't work out all that well, so why bother? I like the xhale02 for what it is, but there is just not much out there that works with it very well. That's too bad, and maybe that will change, but that's just how things are right now. If you can find ways to get more use out of an xhale02 component, great! I just wouldn't normally point someone in that direction.

 

[billybc96]

I'm getting close to running out of my Halo Freedom e-liquid (12mg 30ml bottle), so I recently ordered 5x10ml Backwoods Brew e-liquid flavors. The RY4, of course, (12mg nicotine), as well as Malty Toffee and 555 Tobacco. But I also got the eJoker's Blend and Applewood flavors in 6mg nicotine strength, as these are supposed to have a good enough TH that you can do that with them. Since my eventual goal is to be at or near using 0mg nicotine level e-liquid, I figured I should continue in that direction. I'm surprised I didn't just get 30ml of one flavor as I'd originally intended, but I just couldn't decide on one flavor. They all sound so good (these ones anyway, and one or two others), and prices and shipping are reasonable enough (used 10% off coupon code BWB10) that I couldn't help going with a wider variety. Some I will probably not like. If I like them all, well...I guess I can't complain if I'm that lucky, but gee...I would like to just have one e-liquid I use as my daily vape. I'll see. Likely one will be my favorite above all others. I hope I end up liking at least one!

I'm okay with the Halo Freedom e-juice (has kept me off analogs for months now), but have been interested in trying out some new flavors from different suppliers. I'll let you all know how it goes.

Recently, the black and white (logo lettering) paint finish has been peeling off my one black Intellicig vaporizer, so I went ahead and cleaned it all off. Turns out that exposes a brass metal base layer beneath, though the Intellicig logo is still stamped into the metal. Not a bad idea on their part, since all these paint finishes seem to eventually wear off anyway. Not sure if I like how it looks. It's not particularly polished looking, though I guess I could take a dremel tool polish head to it. I was thinking about switching to using stainless steel finished batteries anyway, with brass atomizers and black cartridges, so I guess this means at least I don't need to buy new a new atomizer as well, eh? I suspect my other 2 atomizers are much the same, but I never use them, so the black finish is still fully intact on both, for now.

It's funny how I'm still learning a thing or two about all of this, even after all these months have passed.

 

[billybc96]

My one Intellicig atomizer finally seems to have crashed, after about 2-3 months of constant use (never really switch out atomizers regularly). Now I'm just using my other 2 atomizers, and alternating them regularly. They are working well, so it's not really problem. First time I've had a part finally wear out on me though. An educational experience. I'm glad I had a backup atomizer with me at the time. (Always a good idea.)

Due to other threads I have going regarding new e-liquids to try out (going to try some Backwoods Brew flavors) and blank XL cartridges for my m402 (getting electronic-cigz.com XL cartridges which are already PTB modification filled, which is REALLY cool), I've now become very interested in the m601 (automatic, the manual is the m602) model series e-cigarettes. These are typically a 3-piece (though they also apparently have 2-piece types available) model e-cig much like an m401, only it has a thickness more like that of a KR808D-1, and it is slightly shorter than an m401 (probably more like an m402 in overall length). The threads are also different, being more male-to-female, rather female-to-male (or however you want to look at it), but a very good PCC is available for the m601/02 series, so regularl recharging on the go is not an issue. I'm still happy with my m402 batteries, but I definitely intend to try out the m601 sometime very soon, as it has some very nice sounding qualities (kind of a "best of both worlds" thing).

Anyone here have much experience at all with these m601/02 series model e-cigarettes?

 

[Kimbernewbie]

That's pretty much my plan at this point. I'm glad to see a similar m401 based plan worked out well for someone else. Very cool. Thank you for the support. I will let you know how it goes with the stuff I'll be trying out.

How have all of you done as regards nicotine levels? I'm at about 11mg right now, which seems okay. When I'm using my own juice though, how will that affect how I feel about my nicotine level? I'd like to try figuring that out before I buy if there will be a significant difference.

Try an adapter for 401s to a 510 cart, you can get both at freedom smokes usa, then you'll have your ciggy with a huge cart.Thats what I did, cus, like you, my xhale02 does A-OK.

 

[billybc96]

Hmmm...interesting, I'll check into it. Thanks.

As regards the 5 Backwoods Brew e-liquid flavors I just received (took 3 days for basic delivery):

The BWB RY4 is strong, fairly smooth, though a bit buttery bitter, with a hint of harshness at the throat. Throat hit at 12mg might be a bit heavy for me. Definitely kind of sweet, but not much, and no real nutty flavor I can taste. Definitely has some smokey tobacco consistency. More sweet, not much, on inhale, but not on exhale. Good vapor production, about the best you can expect from a m402 e-cigarette, equal to Halo Freedom e-juice in that respect, though not as smooth, and Halo Freedom e-juice has that touch of vanilla thing going for it. Can't say I think it's great, as is just a bit too harsh and not flavorful enough, but might grow on me as has some subtlety to it. Fairly clean. but doesn't feel like it will be a daily constant vape for me, but it definitely is nicotine urge satisfying.

The 12mg nicotine level BWB Malty Toffee is definitely a bit sweet, and definitely has a malty toffy-like flavor too it, in a light buttery sort of way. Throat hit lighter than the RY4. It has a lot less tobacco-like heavy smokiness, though it still has some in a just less harsh form. It's fairly clean. Has that somewhat candy-like aspect to it, which I'm not sure I like or not. After vaping it for awhile, more of the malty flavor comes through, which has some chocolate-like nuttiness to it, which I like. Could be a decent daily constant vape because of its relative lightness and smoothness, and its touch of malty flavoring with flavor that isn't too sweet and candy-like. Fairly enjoyable, but not amazing. Vapor production good.

The BWB 555 in 12mg nicotine level is very smooth. Throat hit is subtle, maybe not really enough of it because it is so smooth and not harsh. It definitely has a nutty flavor aspect to it, but no tobacco smokiness like the other two flavors described so far. It has some sweetness as well. Decent aftertaste, but not a flavorful one. Almost tastes kind of like a light Malty Toffee, as the nuttiness is kind of like that flavor's malty flavor. I like the inhale and lack of bitter aftertaste. Could be a constant daily vape for sure. I don't think there is enough there to be truly satisfying, but it's hard to tell. It's almost kind of stale tasting, but not necessarily in a gone bad sort of way. It's okay, really not bad at all, has grown on me some, but otherwise has nothing particularly special about it if you're looking for distinctive flavor. Definitely subtle. As with other standard BWB flavors, vapor production good.

I have to go to work soon, so I'll have to post later on the last two BWB e-juice flavors I've got, which are eJoker in 6mg nicotine level and Applewood at the same nicotine level. Both are supposed to be quite interesting in that they are said to have good throat hit at very low nicotine levels (even at 0mg). Sorry I won't be able to post on them until this evening after work. These have all been good enough so far that I don't feel like any of them have been a waste of money. I'll be able to vape all of them until they run out, but I probably won't get some of them again. Not bad results so far at all. Almost wish I had some Halo Freedom e-liquid leftover that had not already been watered down with worse e-liquids I wanted to make use of somehow, for making a better comparison. Oh well, that'll teach me, eh?

 

[billybc96]

I'm back, now on to finishing my BWB e-liquid flavors review.

The 6mg nicotine level Applewood is my first disappointment in a Backwoods Brew e-liquid flavor. The apple flavor is subtle (as seems typical for most BWB flavors), but it is good. It's almost like a hot apple pie sort of flavor, but without so much of the spicey (cinnamon and so on) ingredients. Unfortunately, there is no real throat hit, nor any smokey "wood" (or any other tobacco-like) flavor to it. This might work alright for someone who doesn't want a tobacco flavor, but I do. This is an otherwise decent tasting flavor though, so if you don't mind a good flavor with no throat hit, and are looking to go the ultra-low or zero nicotine route, than this might be good for you. I can't really recommend it though. I think the folks that recommend this must just really be so into a good apple flavor (are others that bad?) that they disregard all other aspects of a good vaping experience. Even vapor production, while still good, seems lower than with the other BWB e-liquid flavors I've tried, but it may have just seemed that way because I was overall disappointed. Funny how that sort of thing works sometimes, eh?

Instead of Applewood, you might be more interested in the last BWB flavor e-liquid I tried, the 6mg nicotine level eJoker. This juice is a "secret" mix of several unspecified other e-liquids, all of which are typically BWB subtle. I can't define them all, though some some of the flavors taste like maybe mint (or peppermint?), ginger, and even menthol. The best way I can describe it is kind of like...a Christmas holiday taste, or like the smell of a Christmas aroma candle (like you might sniff at a Bath and Body type store), but not as intense. Though there is no real throat hit, there is something of a tongue hit instead, and an aftertaste of all its flavors that lingers on the tongue and even a bit in your nose. Yeah, it's definitely kinda cool, but not at all overwhelming. If you are into minty menthol, or particularly unique flavors, but trying to go low to zero nicotine, this might be right up your alley. I liked it, but find it hard to imagine vaping it regularly. I won't mind finishing the 10ml bottle gradually over time though, and I'll make heavy use of it over Thanksgiving and Christmas. This one is kind of a fun one.

My favorites of these 5 e-liquids for daily vaping purposes are probably the RY4, then/or the 555, then the Malty Toffee (a bit too light with a bit too much buttery toffee for me, and not enough malt, but the regular BWB Malty flavor I haven't ordered or tried yet might be pretty good), then eJoker, and finally Applewood...which is really the only one I don't like very much. I'll probably only use that one on days where I feel I've been vaping too much and feel a need to cut back, but still need or want to vape regardless. (I don't think that will happen much.) The others I'll be able to make good use of, with the top three being all pretty solid and enjoyable regular vapes.

In maybe another week (electronic-cigz.com looks to be a slow shipper) I'll be getting my blank XL PTB cartridges, and I'll retest all of these e-liquids with those newer style cartridges to see if there is any significanct difference in how they vape, taste, and also if the XL cartridges really last much longer before having to be refilled.

 

[billybc96]

Oh, sorry, forgot to mention that eJoker and Applewood are also clean and buttery smooth as well (but by that I mostly don't mean "buttery" in flavor), much like the other Backwoods Brew flavors mentioned. Also, for those that are into this sort of info, RY4 is the darkest e-liquid (being fairly dark), then eJoker, Malty Toffee, Applewood, and then 555, with the 555 being particularly light in color. I don't know if that has any real significance to anyone, or why it would, but other reviewers sometimes mention the relative lightness or darkness of an e-liquid they are reviewing (because some people ask?), so I thought I'd just throw that in for the sake of completeness.

 

[billybc96]

I've mentioned it elsewhere, but I thought I should mention it here as well. Though my first impression of at least 3 of the BWB e-liquid flavors was okay, I've found that all of these flavors over time just don't satisfy me. While this is partly a nicotine level issue, it is also clearly a flavor strength issue, at least for me. Some other forum members I have chatted with have agreed that BWB flavors, while generally quite good, are also generally on the weak side (flavor-wise, not necessarily TH-wise). Many other forum members don't find this to be the case at all. As far as I know, this is more a matter of taste than of product inconsistency, but a recent posting elsewhere by a forum member has made me wonder if that is really true. That person, like some others have done, ordered a BWB e-liquid in double extra strength flavoring (something Don does for no extra charge). He liked the received flavor a lot at first, then the flavor seemed to go away. Someone else reported they had done the extra flavoring thing, but have so far been very satisfied with the results. User e-cigarette technical problems? Inconsistent product quality control? Issue of different people simply having different flavor strength taste needs? Hard to say at this point. I might later on down the road try some BWB e-liquid in double extra strength flavor, but not right now. I also tried some Freedom Smoke USA e-liquids in my usual 12mg nicotine level, and even one in a 24mg strength, but I thought all of those flavors were also generally on the weak side, even ones that are supposed to be more strongly tobacco-like.

I did enjoy the buzz I got off the 24mg e-liquid though, so I'm ordering my usual (and so far most preferred) Halo Freedom e-juice in 18mg strength (maybe 24mg later, we'll see). Halo has dropped its prices a bit recently, though it currently has no special coupon code offers. They also now have 5ml flavor sampler bottles you can buy, but they are $15 a bottle, which is an extraordinarily bad deal. Might as well just get a 30ml bottle for $21 instead. (That's 25ml more for only an extra $6!) Crazy pricing, but they do tend to give out a free different flavor e-liquid 5ml sampler bottle with each order anyway, so go figure. One BWB flavor that was kind of interesting, and which I mix with my other "weak" flavors to help them out, is 6mg eJoker. Though it is weak in throat hit, it does make up for it some with a sort of cinnamon and minty menthol-like flavor that definitely has some flavor impact. I don't normally like an analog menthol, but an e-liquid menthol is apparently a different animal altogether. Worth trying if it sounds interesting to you. I just can't see myself using it alone as a regular daily vape, but maybe I need to be more open minded? In a stronger nicotine level it might just work out pretty darn well. I'll have to get around to trying that one of these days, but for now I'm done experimenting with different e-liquid suppliers.

 

[billybc96]

Oh yeah, also looking into trying out the newer m601 series e-cigarette model in an automatic (can look elsewhere to check out some reviews if you like), but my PV experiments account is currently feeling the pain of all the not so great e-liquids I've recently tried, so that will have to wait.