Going from xhale02 to Vapor Kings KR808D-1

[billybc96]

I tried some xhale02 high nicotine level cartridges today, 16mg nicotine. I was surprised that they still had fairly little throat hit, though they did give me a very slight buzz. Considering that the Halo Torque56 at 18mg was too much throat hit, even when used in an xhale02 cartridge, I think flavor has a lot more to do with perceived throat hit than just the advertised nicotine level alone. Also, one company's quoted level of nicotine level may mean very little when compared to another. That may be a quality control issue, but I think it has more to do with the other ingredients used in whichever e-juice you are using to refill your cartridges with. I haven't received my Mild ECOpure e-liquid in 10mg nicotine dose level yet. I was wondering today if maybe I had decided on too low a nicotine level for that e-liquid, but now I have no idea. All I know is that the ECOpure will be different from what I've tried so far. I probably should have ordered the ECOpure Rich flavor instead of mild, one nicotine level up from what I ordered, but until I try it I will have no way of knowing. Other brand flavors and nicotine levels just don't seem to mean that much comparatively to each other, which just makes shopping around for a good e-liquid fit that much harder for everyone.

I hate the additional expense of experimenting around like this, but I don't seem to have much choice. A brand of locally available 555 flavored e-liquid has been recommended to me, but I think I have enough for now, even if I'm not all that satisfied yet. I figure if what I'm not happy by the time I run out of everything I've got and what's coming, then I'll try Halo Torque56 again, but just in a lower (12mg) nicotine level. I'm also curious if the on it's way Intellicig atomizer will produce more throat hit effect, as apparently some people think it does compared to other m# series e-cig brands. I'm also thinking about maybe trying their cartridges, as they are supposed to be somewhat different (higher liquid capacity?) than others, like the LiteCigUSA ones I have now. I find I go through about 4-5 refilled cartridges a day, compared to maybe 2 pre-filled xhale02 factory cartridges a day. I'm not sure why that is, but I would like my cartridges to last a little longer before I have to switch them out. Of course, maybe that will just be the way it is with these m# series model cartridges. LiteCigUSA list some extra long (XL) cartridges on their website, but they are currently out of them. I'm not even sure they would fit my m402 size PCC.

 

[tryn2learn]

I agree. I think I gonna switch back to my 7 11 model just dont know what juice to use. the juice that comes with it is not the best but seems better then anything else I put in it. what in specific have you found that works well.

 

[billybc96]

I've really only just got started with all of this myself. What kind of other e-liquids have you tried? If you didn't like any of them, I can eliminate them from my own list of other e-liquids to try. So far I have actually kind of liked the Halo Torque56 (18mg nicotine) best in the xhale02, though that was with it slightly mixed in with whatever remaining xhale02 juice (11mg) nicotine) was still in the used cartridges I tried. Halo Freedom is not bad, but I've tried adding it to partially used xhale02 cartridges (16mg nicotine xhale02 with 12mg nicotine Halo Freedom). While that was slightly better than xhale02 juice alone, with definitely a bit more vapor, it's not really any more significantly satisfying than xhale02 juice all by itself. On the other hand, Halo Torque56 is pretty heavy, too heavy, by itself, but you might like that. It is definitely more "smokey" in flavor than anything else I've tried (honestly not much so far). So much so, my wife thought it kind of stunk, which kind of defeats some of my reasons for switching to e-cigarettes in the first place! LOL : ) I'll post what I think of the Intellicig ECOpure Mild flavor (10mg nicotine) as soon as I get it and try it out for myself. Have you tried any of the Intellicig ECOpure e-liquids? If so, which flavors (all "tobacco") and which nicotine levels?

 

[tryn2learn]

everything i have tried so far was from vapor4life I also started on the 7 11 model and got a kr808 and even though i like my 808 i had a few problems......with that being said the best juice i tried was wow cherry from them the ry4 (its a carmel tabacco flavor) i tried has really good potiential but dont know if it comes in the wow. I not an expert but I think our 7 11 models burn hot and thats why the wow juice from them works but there others dont.. not sure if I correct on that theory but maybe someone will see this and help giude us. have you figured out how to clean atomizer on the 7 11 model.

 

[extolrox]

I only use my Xhale to really sample the flavor of a new juice and to be a back up just in case atty failure on my Riva. The juice I get is Dekang e-liquid virginia blend is good so is RY3 and RY4 I have a bottle of Flue cured tobacco on the way as well. as for the carts they are really worthless to refill I normally dip or drip on the atty it tends to be better I also suggest getting a VG based liquid unless you know how to cut the liquid right. For cheap liquid that tastes good to me go to valuevapor.com its pretty decent if you want to try an upgraded model of the m series I would check out the m306 it has the same threads as the 510 and you can get it in exposed atty and recessed atty forms. The threads to the xhale do match the m series but the battery and atty are not anything close to the m series completely different companies and products.

 

[tryn2learn]

have you figured out how to clean the atty extrol I thought I read soak it in coke but not to sure that very smart

 

[billybc96]

There are lots of recommendations for how to clean the atomizer on a 3-piece e-cig like the xhale02 model. I haven't done it much myself, yet. I only cleaned my atomizer on the xhale02 once so far, using a variation of the coke (using diet coke) method. It's not that big a deal, and doesn't normally need to be done very often at all. Really, all you are doing is rinsing out old e-liquid from the atomizer, so just boiling the atomizer alone can work pretty well, or even just running under a strong tap for awhile. Okay, that tap idea isn't the best method, but it doesn't hurt the atomizer, and it works okay, and it is surely simple enough. There are just better ways, like the coke/boil methods, that do a better job. Some people get by just fine never cleaning theirs. I can't say cleaning mine made any appreciable difference. It was just something I figured it was about time I did, but I probably could have waited, even though I'd been using now for nearly 2 months straight. There are some You Tube videos on how to clean your atomizer if you think it needs cleaning, which is apparently recommended when you are switching around e-liquid flavors (cleans out remnants of the old flavor).

Extolrox, can you describe some of those flavors (like RY3 and RY4, the Virginia Blend) in a bit more detail? Like how you felt their nicotine levels compared, flavor, aftertaste, throat hit, that sort of thing? You don't have to if you you don't really want to bother, I'm just curious. I know some people, from what I've read here at ECF, have very mixed opinions on the Dekang e-liquids. I have read good things about the Flue Cured Tobacco flavor, though there are a couple of makers out there, and I'm sure each one's version tastes different from the other. Are you trying Dekang's? The RY4 flavor has interested me, but I'm not sure who I would get it from that would be best. Personally I seem to prefer something that is a bit "smokey" in flavor, but with a sweet and cool aftertaste, and a mild (but still noticeable) throat hit. Sometimes I get a rather nice taste when I take a vapor hit after drinking some soda or coffee (Hazlenut or Irish Coffee). I really like that. My favorite analog cigarettes (though I haven't smoked 'em in years) were Canadian Export A's and imported Rothman's, both in Mild/Medium blends. For economic and other reasons, until I got on e-cigs, I had been more recently smoking Pall Mall Blue 100s, which were fine for what they were.

 

[billybc96]

I can't wait to try out the Intellicig ECOpure, just to find out if ECOpure e-liquids will be worth checking out any further. It's too early for me to bother checking the mail. Bummer.

 

[AZVAPS]

I have a KR808 from V4L and find the cartomizers that came with it burn a bit hot at times. I am going to try a different cartomizer with it and see if that works better. That being said, my Joye eGo is still my best vape, lots of flavor and vapor. I like to use a drip tip with it. You might want to think about saving up for an eGo if you really like vaping.

 

[billybc96]

Hmmm...Joye eGo, eh? Interesting looking product, a bit fat, but not overly long. Kind of compact overall, but...do they have an automatic version? I find that I can't stand having to push a button in order to vape. Seems very wrong feeling to me. My first KR808D-1 turned out to be a manual version, and I really hated it, in part just because of the button. Automatics don't bother me at all. I like The slim feel of the mini and super-mini e-cigarette models a lot. Many times I will just have the m402 or xhale02 in my hand, playfully fingering it, without actually taking a puff right away (like when I'm driving). I really like that sort of feel. I'm not sure I could ever give up on it, not just for better performance reasons alone. I wouldn't mind trying one out though.

 

[tryn2learn]

Billy the RY4 I have is a smokey carmel tabacco flavor I really starting to like it all my liquids are 11mg and think I am going to upgrade mg levels. Also I have heard sweet carolina(i think that proper name) is really good. There is a guy on you tube with lots of info and he gives you web sites to check out just type doctor vapor he pretty good I think.

 

[ewffan]

you can refill them always, if you change out the filler material occasionally. I use the Fluval method (did a search on that on youtube, great "how-to" videos there)...Glad I was able to help, after all, we are all trying to save money these days, and refilling your own carts is the best way to stick it to the man.

 

[billybc96]

I've noticed there are some complaints that the e-liquid capacity of the xhale02 cartridge is low, but there appears to be no significant size difference between the xhale02 inner cartridge and that of an m# series model e-cig inner cartridge. Sometimes there doesn't seem to be as much juice absorbing material inside the xhale02 inner cartridge, but that seems easy enough to correct with new filler material. That's a hack I might try out. As I keep comparing the m402 and the xhale02, I've noticed that the "throat hit" of the 12mg nicotine e-liquid (in either model) is really not bad, and may be just about right. I just don't think the flavor of Halo's freedom e-liquid is all that much better than that of the factory filled xhale02 cartridges. I've also found myself using the direct atomizer drip method (2 drops, 1 on each side of the wick) as a supplement to my refilled cartridges. The m# model series cartridges tend to fit more loosely on the appropriate batteries, which means they get a little too loose after only a few refills and uses, unlike with the xhale02 ones which have a much tighter and long lasting fit on the xhale02 atomizer.

I saw on You Tube that the Blu Cig e-cigs appear to look an awful lot like the xhale02 e-cig, especially the pointed wick that penetrates a foil covered inner cartridge seal. That makes me wonder if the Blu Cig brand PCC (carry case charger) would have compatible threads for recharging xhale02 batteries. Anyone here read about anything like that here on ECF? I'll have to look it up and see, maybe post a separate question on that alone elsewhere on the site. For all I know, a Blu Cig and an xhale02 may be exactly the same model, just under a different brand name...like so many other e-cigarettes/PVs.

 

[billybc96]

While browsing around, I see that Revolver brand e-cigs has an XL (extra long - 3mm) black blank refill cartridge available that looks like it should be able to work on an m# series model e-cig. Unlike LiteCigUSA, they do not appear to be out of stock. along with trying Intellicig's blank cartridges, I think I will try these as well. Over on the Blu Cig model specific forum, I just posted a question regarding xhale02 and Blu Cig thread compatibility (as regards the Blu Cig PCC). Hopefully I'll get a clear answer one way or the other on that, and hopefully soon, but it might take awhile. All of this reminds me I haven't checked my mail yet to see if my ECOpure juice has come in yet, so I'll check on that right now. I hope all of you are having a good weekend.

 

[tryn2learn]

Billy do you notice deminished vapor from xhale02. Mine just doesnt seem to produce like it was. also please let me know how those juices work as I to am looking for some better juices. i gonna order some from freedom and post once I do to pass the info.

 

[billybc96]

Cartridges that you refill do need to be cleaned out once and awhile, including the e-liquid absorbing batting that goes inside them. Old residue builds up in them apparently. I've had similar issues, but cleaning everything out in cold water, then drying with a paper towel before refilling them, helps a lot. That being said, you first few puffs will always have stronger vapor than your last few puffs, as that is just part of the dynamic of how these things work. I have the same exact issues with my m402. Also, if you battery does not have a good charge, it will reduce the amount of vapor being produced, so you may have to recharge your battery, even though it is not "flashing light" low or dead yet. I have experienced the same thing with the Intellicig m402 batteries, even though they are supposed to be more consistent performers.

Someone just responded to my posted question about xhale02 and Blu Cig thread compatibility. Apparently they are not compatible, and so the Blu Cig PCC cannot be used for xhale02 e-cigs. A shame, but I kind of expected that to be the answer. Oh well. There still might be an xhale02 compatible PCC out there. I just haven't found it yet.

I'm not sure, as I've not been paying enough attention, but I think one of my Intellicig batteries might be going bad. If it does go bad, or is bad, at least Intellicig has a decent return policy. It would still be a hassle though. I hope I am wrong, and I also hope the m402 PCC is still working okay. It is way too soon for either to be failing me now. (It's probably the one battery, if anything.)

 

[tryn2learn]

well billy hope its not bad. I must say when my kr808 dies I sticking with the xhale just found out there is one year warantee on the whole thing not bad for 20 bucks

 

[billybc96]

No, it's not a bad deal at all. I almost wish I didn't waste a lot of time and some extra dough chasing a better experience "rainbow" unnecessarily. I have learned some very important things though. My vaping experience has definitely improved, and it will probably get even better, especially once I find that "just right" e-liquid flavor/nicotine level combination.

 

[SpaceTrucker]

I myself have bought the Xhale O2. It was my first try at e-cigs. I knew about them, but always saw that they were too expensive to try a new gimmick. The 7-11 price gave me the chance to say if I don't like it , I only dropped a few $. No problem. Well I now found out that I will be using these e-cigs for the rest of my life. It is much better than smoking and since I have started have only picked up a few of those nasty sticks. Since I have started doing this (9-3-10), I now do daily research on this board and always thinking on how to improve on the e-cig I have. Theres one problem I have found out about the Xhale O2, the cart is too small. But all in all, the Xhale O2 has opened the world of e-cigs to me and I am very happy. Hope to be off of the sticks soon.

 

[billybc96]

Yeah, I think all the "mini" and "super-mini" type e-cig models (like ours) tend to have e-liquid cartridges that are too small, just like the batteries last only a few hours of constant use at best.

I picked up my Intellicig ECOpure e-liquid today from the mailbox. I'm surprised to see that the label says it should be used by September 2010! LOL Despite that, I am using it right now in my one new Intellicig atomizer equipped m402 battery. Interestingly, the m# series cartridges fit tighter and have a better overall fit on the new atomizer than they did on the LiteCigUSA ones. I like that. I completely cleaned out one m402 cartridge before putting the ECOpure Mild flavor in it (10mg nicotine level). It is certainly very clean in flavor and feel, somewhat like the Halo e-liquid flavors in that respect, and the ECOpure also produces decent amounts of vapor. Enough to easily practice blowing "smoke" vapor circles with. The throat hit is difficult to judge. Fairly weak, kind of like the Halo 12mg nicotine Freedom juice, but with a much milder flavor, and probably just a bit less hit. If anything, the flavor is kind of like what you get with a regular factory filled xhale02 cartridge, though perhaps with a just very, very slight citrus component to it. It doesn't really have a slightly sweet aftertaste like the Halo e-liquids tend to have. It also isn't terribly "smokey" in flavor either, though there is a vague smoke-like flavor of some sort hidden in there somewhere. The vapor seems extra "watery" in comparison to the other e-liquids, probably due to the high VG being used as a base. That probably partially accounts for the "cleaner" feel of vaping the ECOpure juice. The Halo e-liquids also have quiet a bit of VG in them as well, just not as much, and this may be why they are also somewhat "cleaner" in feel.

Though it isn't "bad", the only really good thing about the ECOpure (other than good vapor production), and also the xhale02 factory filled cartridges (not quiet so good on vapor production) is that my wife doesn't mind the smell of either one. They also don't give her a headache like the Halo Torque56 in 18mg nicotine level, and the 12mg Freedom juice to a lesser degree, gave her when I tried them around her. Interesting, as you would think they shouldn't do that, since they are "just water vapor", but they do. After all, they are all a bit more than "just water vapor", what with the nicotine, and the flavoring, and all that. It is also possible my wife is allergic to PG, since she tends to have allergy problems. This adds a new wrinkle to my search for a good e-liquid fit. As if I wasn't having a difficult enough time as it is, eh! LOL *sigh*

Also, for those that care, the Intellicig ECOpure e-liquid is just a bit darker than the Halo Freedom juice, but only slightly. Xhale02 factory fill juice appears to be slightly darker than all the other three e-liquids I've tried, but that is the 16mg nicotine stuff, so that might have something to do with it. I also think I have come to realize that neither of my m402 Intellicig batteries are bad, I just suck on them for too long sometimes, at which point the automatic shutoff switch kills the battery for a minute or two. Kind of annoying, but most of the time I don't draw on them for enough seconds (5?) to let that happen. People used to heavier vaping draw times on heavier duty (or manually operated) models tend to not like that, but I don't think it's a big deal for newer PV users.

The ECOpure 30ml bottle delivery came with a free 2ml syringe, which is very handy for more quickly and easily refilling my used cartridges, especially the xhale02 ones. Still, I think this particular e-liquid purchase, despite its experimental value, was mostly a waste of money. In order to use it up, I'll probably try mixing it in with my Halo Freedom e-juice. I might consider trying the ECOpure rich flavor, maybe in the next nicotine level up, but I think I'd rather check out a good RY4 instead. Any other e-liquid recommendations? (Even though I probably have enough already.)

One last thing, though they Intellicig vaporizer fits to my cartridges more tightly, I haven't noticed any other differences between it and the ones from LiteCigUSA. It might be ever so slightly quieter (because of better fit?), but it is still louder than my xhale02, and I can't see that it produces any more vapor. It is otherwise almost exactly the same as the LiteCigUSA atomizers, except it costs a few dollars more. And, yeah, it also has a logo on it, unlike the LiteCigUSA ones, which are blank. It also has silver connectors, unlike the gold LitCigUSA connectors, which matches my Intellicig batteries better. I do like that, but it's not normally a terribly noticeable thing. If you are buying all new equipment, then I would recommend going with just one supplier, despite any slight additional cost of doing so, just so everything visually matches up better, and maybe with just a slightly better fit to boot! : )