Got My Second ProVari and a ZAP!

[Judge Dredd]

One of the reasons I choose this over others is that it comes with preoxidized, prerolled wicks, I figured that upped the value. I was thrilled not to have to mess with mesh. I'll try a thicker mesh and see what happens. This coil that came on it is so perfect and glowing so evenly, I hate to mess with it

I'm liking it more today than I did yesterday when I first got it. I'm trying to do what Zen says, take slow, deliberate draw and let the vapor come to me rather than trying to suck so hard. I'm also experimenting with different drip tips.. the narrower ones seem to work better. I have a SS pawn that is very narrow towards the top coming.

I'm slowly getting used to the open draw. That's not a problem for me. It's not being able to use all my juices which are all VG, and being stuck with this "Boom-Choco-Latte" from MBV that is good, but a bit sweet for my taste, that's the problem.

 

[Bob57]

Really?! I was thinking I might have to buy a bottle of PG to cut it. How much water for about 3.5mL?

Just a couple drops makes a difference in that small of amount, try a couple and see if it helps.
If not try a couple more and compare it to the thickness of the juice thats working for ya.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Just a couple drops makes a difference in that small of amount, try a couple and see if it helps.
If not try a couple more and compare it to the thickness of the juice thats working for ya.

Sounds good! I'll give it a shot! Thanks!

 

[wonderland]

That's really interesting. I vape only 50/50 juices and have no wicking problems with the pre-made wicks. I tried one 70/30 juice once and it over-wicked and was just awful! If you dry burn your wick thoroughly and then load the higher VG juice, tilt it with cap off and you should be able to watch how fast/slow it wicks. What does it look like? With my slower wicking juices, I'll just tilt a couple of seconds before firing to make sure the wick is saturated. I know the quality and viscosity of VG varies from vendor to vendor, so maybe your vendor is using a thicker VG? Sorry for your troubles and hope a solution comes up soon!

 

[LongDraw]

Thought this might be helpful. The 500 mesh thread shows how higher numbered mesh wicks better due to capillary action, as another poster mentioned. The closer the holes are together, the easier for juice to move up, so 635 is better than 500, and 500 is better than 400. Also, as another poster mentioned more is better, to a point though. In the thread you will see after awhile that people started to find the width that worked best for the wick hole size. For example, when I was using 400 mesh for my Cobra about 60mm width worked great. When i started using 500 it seemed really lose for a tight rolled wick in the wick hole. The op of the 500 mesh thread suggested 80mm width, so gonna try that today.

Here is the link: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/330407-500-ss-mesh.html

Also, here is a video by another forum member. Setting Up the Siam Mods Cobra Genesis Atomizer - YouTube It is a great video and shows you really don't need to oxidize heavily. Hit it with a blue flame from a stove or torch lighter before rolling the wick and after. In his video he wraps the coils on the wick before installing, I still wrap my coil directly on the wick while it is in the atomizer because if I don't I tend to have to lose of wraps.

Hope this helps.

 

[Judge Dredd]

That's really interesting. I vape only 50/50 juices and have no wicking problems with the pre-made wicks. I tried one 70/30 juice once and it over-wicked and was just awful! If you dry burn your wick thoroughly and then load the higher VG juice, tilt it with cap off and you should be able to watch how fast/slow it wicks. What does it look like? With my slower wicking juices, I'll just tilt a couple of seconds before firing to make sure the wick is saturated. I know the quality and viscosity of VG varies from vendor to vendor, so maybe your vendor is using a thicker VG? Sorry for your troubles and hope a solution comes up soon!

I followed Zen's tutorial on dry-burning so I'm sure it's burnt enough. The problem is my juices are too thick so all I'm doing is dry-burning it.

Thought this might be helpful. The 500 mesh thread shows how higher numbered mesh wicks better due to capillary action, as another poster mentioned. The closer the holes are together, the easier for juice to move up, so 635 is better than 500, and 500 is better than 400. Also, as another poster mentioned more is better, to a point though. In the thread you will see after awhile that people started to find the width that worked best for the wick hole size. For example, when I was using 400 mesh for my Cobra about 60mm width worked great. When i started using 500 it seemed really lose for a tight rolled wick in the wick hole. The op of the 500 mesh thread suggested 80mm width, so gonna try that today.

Here is the link: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/330407-500-ss-mesh.html

Also, here is a video by another forum member. Setting Up the Siam Mods Cobra Genesis Atomizer - YouTube It is a great video and shows you really don't need to oxidize heavily. Hit it with a blue flame from a stove or torch lighter before rolling the wick and after. In his video he wraps the coils on the wick before installing, I still wrap my coil directly on the wick while it is in the atomizer because if I don't I tend to have to lose of wraps.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the info. I'm trying to make do with what I have. I have absolutely no more money to put towards vaping at the moment, so buying more supplies will have to wait.

 

[joeshark]

A little distilled water in the VG juice could help, it doesn't take much.

Definitely works, been doing this with vivi nova, I had read something like 1-2 drops per ml.

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[Judge Dredd]

Just a couple drops makes a difference in that small of amount, try a couple and see if it helps.
If not try a couple more and compare it to the thickness of the juice thats working for ya.

Thanks so much, Bob! You're a lifesaver! It's working fantastically!

Definitely works, been doing this with vivi nova, I had read something like 1-2 drops per ml.

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I used a little bit too much but it's still working great!

 

[Rymarski]

So far the 325 ss mesh wick has been doing wonders. Occasionally when I do not tilt it enough I get a slight dry hit, but so far so good. Again, im using a 100% vg juice.

Longdraw has a valid point. I've been reading that thread and it seems like 500 ss mesh has better capillary action. I ordered up some 500 ss mesh wick and will test it out later on. But when I unrolled the 325 ss mesh wick that came with the Zap it was a very small piece. Not alot of mesh in there. This could be a reason why we are having a tough time getting it to properly saturate the wick.

IMO im guessing a longer piece of mesh wick be it 325 or 500 should help with it wicking better. Im still learning down the road, but try the 325 ss mesh wick and reroll it. Oxidize it some more and you should be good.

 

[Judge Dredd]

So far the 325 ss mesh wick has been doing wonders. Occasionally when I do not tilt it enough I get a slight dry hit, but so far so good. Again, im using a 100% vg juice.

Longdraw has a valid point. I've been reading that thread and it seems like 500 ss mesh has better capillary action. I ordered up some 500 ss mesh wick and will test it out later on. But when I unrolled the 325 ss mesh wick that came with the Zap it was a very small piece. Not alot of mesh in there. This could be a reason why we are having a tough time getting it to properly saturate the wick.

IMO im guessing a longer piece of mesh wick be it 325 or 500 should help with it wicking better. Im still learning down the road, but try the 325 ss mesh wick and reroll it. Oxidize it some more and you should be good.

I used the 325 wick. I didn't oxidise it anymore but it's working okay now that I have a few drops of water in there.

 

[Rymarski]

I used the 325 wick. I didn't oxidise it anymore but it's working okay now that I have a few drops of water in there.

Good to hear Judge. It just bothers me that we have to manipulate our favorite juices to wick better. How is the flavor though so far with the added water? Also are you still tilting often to get better saturation?

 

[Bob57]

Glad it's workin for ya !

 

[Judge Dredd]

Good to hear Judge. It just bothers me that we have to manipulate our favorite juices to wick better. How is the flavor though so far with the added water? Also are you still tilting often to get better saturation?

I agree, but so far the water hasn't changed anything but the liquid's viscosity and/or density. Flavor, throat hit, and vapor are all great! Still tilting to be safe.

 

[Rymarski]

I agree, but so far the water hasn't changed anything but the liquid's viscosity and/or density. Flavor, throat hit, and vapor are all great! Still tilting to be safe.

Good to hear. I might do that down the road. Keep us posted on how everything is going. Once I get this 500 ss mesh I'll reply in this thread and let you guys know how it goes.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Alright sounds good! Thank you!

 

[m00nshake]

I was having trouble with harsh hits on my Zen with 50/50 liquid and was stumped. I tried everything, different coil methods, wrapping the mesh around a toothpick first, loose wraps, tight wraps, everything I could think of. When I bought the steel mesh, I followed a video on Youtube where the guy rolls the entire sheet of mesh, burns it for a minute with a blow torch, then dips it in water, repeats several times. So since I tried everything and was still getting harsh hits, the only thing I could think of was that something was wrong with the mesh I torched. I used the entire sheet so I couldn't test to see if that was it.

So I bought another sheet of mesh. This time I cut out only a small piece that I needed, torched it 30 seconds on each side while it was still flat .Then I rolled it around a toothpick, unwrapped it, rolled it without the toothpick, then torched the entire thing for about sixty seconds. It worked perfectly, no more harsh hits. Maybe I over-oxidized the first sheet of mesh I got or maybe I shouldn't have tried to torch the whole sheet at one time...

 

[eHuman]

Don't waste your stock mesh, use 2 of them. Roll one half way up very tight, then slip the 2nd one in and continue to roll it up. If you find that you can't roll it tight enough to use all of both wicks trim a little off. Fold in the last 1/8" - 1/4" and tighten it back up.

 

[nadja2]

Was considering to get the zap because it looks so pretty.. but now I find it to be so foreign as I am not a "technical" person to be doing up coils and mesh