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So why do they call them surgeon generals anyways? Are they real surgeons? Like the best of the best? Always wondered about that

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Nah. Not surgeons. Just physicians politically well connected. Sometimes they do come out of the Public Health Service, and they're pretty smart, but it can essentially be a no show job if you're lazy and no one would notice.
 

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Nah. Not surgeons. Just physicians politically well connected. Sometimes they do come out of the Public Health Service, and they're pretty smart, but it can essentially be a no show job if you're lazy and no one would notice.
Kind of what I thought, thanks...

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So why do they call them surgeon generals anyways? Are they real surgeons? Like the best of the best? Always wondered about that

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History of the Office of the Surgeon General | SurgeonGeneral.gov
"History of the Office of the Surgeon General
In 1798, Congress established the U. S. Marine Hospital Service—predecessor of today's U.S. Public Health Service—to provide health care to sick and injured merchant seamen. In 1870, the Marine Hospital Service was reorganized as a national hospital system with centralized administration under a medical officer, the Supervising Surgeon, who was later given the title of Surgeon General.

Dr. John Woodworth, was appointed as the first Supervising Surgeon in 1871, and established a cadre of medical personnel to administer the Marine Hospital System. On January 4, 1889, the Congress recognized this new personnel system by formally authorizing the Commissioned Corps. The Corps was established along military lines to be a mobile force of professionals subject to reassignment to meet the needs of the Service. Originally, the Corps was composed only of physicians. However, over the years, as the functional responsibilities of the Public Health Service (PHS) and the Corps have broadened, a commensurate broad range of health professionals has been included.

Prior to 1968, the Surgeon General was the head of the PHS, and all program, administrative, and financial management authorities flowed through the Surgeon General, who reported directly to the Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare. In 1968, pursuant to a reorganization plan issued by President Lyndon B. Johnson, the Secretary delegated line responsibility for the PHS to the Assistant Secretary for Health. The Office of the Surgeon General was abolished and the position of Surgeon General became that of a principal deputy to the Assistant Secretary for Health with responsibility for advising and assisting on professional medical matters. In addition, a primary role developed in which the Surgeon General became the PHS spokesperson on certain health issues. (Note: In 1972, the Surgeon General again became an advisor to the Secretary rather than the ASH. In 1977, the positions of ASH and Surgeon General were combined; in 1981, they were separated again.)

In 1987, the Office of the Surgeon General (OSG) was reestablished as a staff office within the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health. Concomitant with this action, the Surgeon General again became responsible for management of the Commissioned Corps personnel system. (Note: The Surgeon General does not directly supervise all Commissioned Officers; most work in PHS or other agencies and report to line managers of those agencies who may or may not be in the Corps.) In carrying out all responsibilities, the Surgeon General reports to the Assistant Secretary for Health, who is the principal advisor to the Secretary on public health and scientific issues.

In April 1987, Surgeon General C. Everett Koop launched a major effort to revitalize the Corps. Actions were taken to enhance all aspects of Corps management, including recruitment, especially of women and minorities, assignment, career development, and communication. Special efforts were made to make sure that agencies utilizing officers are actively involved in the formulation and review of policies and procedures related to administration of the Corps.

There currently are more than 6,700 officers on active duty. Officers are assigned to all of the PHS Agencies and to a number of agencies outside of PHS, including the Bureau of Prisons, U. S. Coast Guard, Environmental Protection Agency, Health Care Financing Administration, and the Commission on Mental Health of the District of Columbia."
 
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1. I absolutely get why there is a desire to curb vaping among teenagers. If a kid who wouldn't pick up a cigarette feels okay about vaping and takes it up, that is a pity. They are better off doing neither. As is anybody.

2. On the other hand, if a kid who would otherwise start smoking begins vaping instead, I'm all for it.

3. If vaping had been around when I started, I would have loved it. Way easier to do it without my parents noticing.

4. The surgeon general's socks scream how badly he wants to be perceived as hep to the jive (NB: old-timey slang intended).
 

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History of the Office of the Surgeon General | SurgeonGeneral.gov
"History of the Office of the Surgeon General
In 1798, Congress established the U. S. Marine Hospital Service—predecessor of today's U.S. Public Health Service—to provide health care to sick and injured merchant seamen. In 1870, the Marine Hospital Service was reorganized as a national hospital system with centralized administration under a medical officer, the Supervising Surgeon, who was later given the title of Surgeon General.

Dr. John Woodworth, was appointed as the first Supervising Surgeon in 1871, and established a cadre of medical personnel to administer the Marine Hospital System. On January 4, 1889, the Congress recognized this new personnel system by formally authorizing the Commissioned Corps. The Corps was established along military lines to be a mobile force of professionals subject to reassignment to meet the needs of the Service. Originally, the Corps was composed only of physicians. However, over the years, as the functional responsibilities of the Public Health Service (PHS) and the Corps have broadened, a commensurate broad range of health professionals has been included.

Prior to 1968, the Surgeon General was the head of the PHS, and all program, administrative, and financial management authorities flowed through the Surgeon General, who reported directly to the Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare. In 1968, pursuant to a reorganization plan issued by President Lyndon B. Johnson, the Secretary delegated line responsibility for the PHS to the Assistant Secretary for Health. The Office of the Surgeon General was abolished and the position of Surgeon General became that of a principal deputy to the Assistant Secretary for Health with responsibility for advising and assisting on professional medical matters. In addition, a primary role developed in which the Surgeon General became the PHS spokesperson on certain health issues. (Note: In 1972, the Surgeon General again became an advisor to the Secretary rather than the ASH. In 1977, the positions of ASH and Surgeon General were combined; in 1981, they were separated again.)

In 1987, the Office of the Surgeon General (OSG) was reestablished as a staff office within the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health. Concomitant with this action, the Surgeon General again became responsible for management of the Commissioned Corps personnel system. (Note: The Surgeon General does not directly supervise all Commissioned Officers; most work in PHS or other agencies and report to line managers of those agencies who may or may not be in the Corps.) In carrying out all responsibilities, the Surgeon General reports to the Assistant Secretary for Health, who is the principal advisor to the Secretary on public health and scientific issues.

In April 1987, Surgeon General C. Everett Koop launched a major effort to revitalize the Corps. Actions were taken to enhance all aspects of Corps management, including recruitment, especially of women and minorities, assignment, career development, and communication. Special efforts were made to make sure that agencies utilizing officers are actively involved in the formulation and review of policies and procedures related to administration of the Corps.

There currently are more than 6,700 officers on active duty. Officers are assigned to all of the PHS Agencies and to a number of agencies outside of PHS, including the Bureau of Prisons, U. S. Coast Guard, Environmental Protection Agency, Health Care Financing Administration, and the Commission on Mental Health of the District of Columbia."
Interesting......I do remember that koop guy, remember him doing TV commercials years ago

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Well, I'm just glad our surgeon general is smart enough to know about taxation, public policy, and the economy, so he can inform us. Some of them could have been narrow minded enough to limit themselves to health issues only. There are simply not enough great ideas being presented about how to further tax us these days.
 

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Koop did a great job at bringing the position back to doctor to the country. Not only through work through the PHS, which I have the utmost respect for the service and those serving in it, they really are smart and commited, but through addrrssibgvhealth issues with the public. He was very involved in tobacco use and harm communication to the public and really pushed smoking as a public health problem. Certainly one of the more visible surgeon generals to hold the position and make the best out of it. He was really one of the first to use the office to push for improved public health and health education.

Again, there are good people and not so good who have held that position. I applaud the good ones and ignore the rest.
 
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Nah. Not surgeons. Just physicians politically well connected. Sometimes they do come out of the Public Health Service, and they're pretty smart, but it can essentially be a no show job if you're lazy and no one would notice.

Last one that was not a lying scumbag was in 1964!

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a conclusion that the chronic toxicity of nicotine in amounts ordinarily ob-
tained in common forms of tobacco use is very low indeed."
 
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