Green Cig vs. Vapor King

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PhoenixRising

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Greencig cartomizers do work with 808/VKs. I have heard varying accounts on flavor, refilling, and vapor production. Some seem to love their Greencig carts, but most agree that those work even better on a Vapor King than they do on the GC batteries. I ordered a few packs from Drew but don't have them yet. I will update here once I get em and try em out.
 

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Does anyone know the difference between the two, aside from price? Also, I heard that Green Cig cartomizers work well on VKs and last longer? Is this true?

I see the Green Cigs are on sale, so something better is more then likely coming out soon... any idea what?

Inquiring minds want to know! ;)

I've been using the GC carts on a VK battery for my wife. Whole they work great, she isn't totally on board with the PVs "yet".

The reason I got the GC carts for her is because Steve said they were less harsh. I would have to agree but I'm sticking with the VK stuff. Nobody has come up with a video (that I remember) on refilling the GC cart which is supposedly more complicated and I'm happy with my results on the VK carts.
 

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Yeah guys the GC refill video is still on my list. I apologize. We have been very busy trying to get our stock updated. I would agree with the sentiments that the green cig carts have a milder throat hit than the VK. In my opinion the GC carts do not last as long as the VK carts, but I have never done a "puff count" to compare.
 

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Hey Jen, just got my GC carts. I immediately popped one out of the box and onto my V4L passthrough. The one I am puffing on is Vanilla. It is a lighter taste and definitely smoother than my Vanilla standard carts and there are serious clouds of vapor going on. It has a slightly harder draw but I love it! To describe the subltety better, this does not taste like vanilla extract. It tastes like warm milk made with a few drops of vanilla and a few teaspoons of sugar. I grew up having warm milk before bed so I am really enjoying this and will definitely be adding more to my next order! I can't wait to see the video on how to refill these. I am curious how much is the juice and how much is the design of the cart.

I knew I should have held that last order (this morning) just a little bit longer. I would have added some of the flavors Steve has to it!

Off to plan my next shopping "trip".
 
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Hey Jen, just got my GC carts. I immediately popped one out of the box and onto my V4L passthrough. The one I am puffing on is Vanilla. It is a lighter taste and definitely smoother than my Vanilla standard carts and there are serious clouds of vapor going on. It has a slightly harder draw but I love it! To describe the subltety better, this does not taste like vanilla extract. It tastes like warm milk made with a few drops of vanilla and a few teaspoons of sugar. I grew up having warm milk before bed so I am really enjoying this and will definitely be adding more to my next order! I can't wait to see the video on how to refill these. I am curious how much is the juice and how much is the design of the cart.

I knew I should have held that last order (this morning) just a little bit longer. I would have added some of the flavors Steve has to it!

Off to plan my next shopping "trip".

Well, I think I will at least have to give these a try then, thanks! I am really trying to resist placing an order until I get my vk and taste some of the flavors so I know what to get... Sheesh!!! Will tomorrow never come???????
 

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Does anyone know the difference between the two, aside from price? Also, I heard that Green Cig cartomizers work well on VKs and last longer? Is this true?

I see the Green Cigs are on sale, so something better is more then likely coming out soon... any idea what?

Inquiring minds want to know! ;)

Greencig cartomizers are a little more complicated, and as a result the majority of the folks who try them say they are less harsh..kind of like a disposable 901 cartomizer.

The greencig uses a more common "cartridge" like element, wicked by a bundle of hair-like material(to date no one has identified the material...I used to think 510s used fiberglass or nylon..this could be either) down to an atomizer, insted of the atomizer being centrally located in the middle of the batting.

Carts are a lot more difficult to refill than with a VK, but certainly not impossible. Some do it by punching a tiny hole in the cartridge portion of the cartomizer (this thing is still disposable and does use the "cartomizer" concept in that youre supposed to toss them) and injecting them with a hypo. Unfortunately its very difficult to tell when theyre full as direct observation of the filler material is not really possible using this method, and the only video ive seen was in german. There's almost certainly an easier way, but i dont have one to experiment on ATM.

Because of the different style atomizer, the flavor would be somewhat less harsh, and more flavorful perhaps.

Because of the more complicated and slightly higher quality disposable "cartomizer" the cartridges are slightly more expensive, although theyre typically sold in larger quantities to try to get the cost down.

I wou'dnt call refilling the greencig's cartomizer a "beginner's task", its more for someone who's an avid modder, or wants to get into it. Whereas a cartomizer for a VK is literally childs play, I coulda refilled it properly when i was 8.

I'd love to get my hands on a few to tinker with.
 

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Reading KC's post it occurred to me that it draws like my 801 - slightly cool and very subtle flavor. So if you have a 901 and like it you would probably like these. I am concerned about ease of refilling though I will definitely research it and give it a go.

KC - if I completely fail in my attempts to refill I would be happy to send you a few to tinker with.
 

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Well, I think I will at least have to give these a try then, thanks! I am really trying to resist placing an order until I get my vk and taste some of the flavors so I know what to get... Sheesh!!! Will tomorrow never come???????

I should have been more clear. I do actually really like these, but they are not a need to have. The regular carts are pretty spectacular, these are just different and interesting in their own right. I wouldn't rush out to buy em just yet. Wait until you see how good the VK Carts are and how easy they are to refill. Once you have had a chance to test those out, then maybe thinking about trying a small pack of these out. Seriously, there would have been no hole in my heart had I not given these a shot. You are going to love the carts you ordered.
 

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Reading KC's post it occurred to me that it draws like my 801 - slightly cool and very subtle flavor. So if you have a 901 and like it you would probably like these. I am concerned about ease of refilling though I will definitely research it and give it a go.

KC - if I completely fail in my attempts to refill I would be happy to send you a few to tinker with.

I would happily accept a dead cartomizer or two to experiment with! Very happily.

I just put in an order for a webcam..and i didnt screw around, i ordered Consumer Reports best pick so my video quality and quantity are going to explode by a factor of 10 at least! yay!
 

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I would happily accept a dead cartomizer or two to experiment with! Very happily.

I just put in an order for a webcam..and i didnt screw around, i ordered Consumer Reports best pick so my video quality and quantity are going to explode by a factor of 10 at least! yay!

Looking forward to it! If I can't refill these easily, no matter how nice and different they are, they will get scratched off the list. It is cool to have an alternative, but not at the cost of juice limitations!:p
 

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I'm sure I'll take some friendly fire on this, but I am a "battery end" filler on both my GC and regular 808 cartomizers. I have been using both types for quite a while now and my batteries seem to last as long as anyone else's. I'm careful in dripping into the battery hole and I make sure I dry off any excess with tissue and I keep them in my pocket with LED up when not in use. Flame at will....:D

Taste wise, I think the other posters have nailed it. Flavor and vapor are much "milder" with the GC's although sometimes almost too much. Thats why I find myself switching back and forth.

Cart quality and refill-wise, huge difference. Quality Control on the GC's seems much more consistent. The cartomizers on GC last a little longer before refilling. On refills, I can get 10-20 drops easily into the GC. With regular 808's it is much more hit and miss. Sometimes can't get more than 5 or 6 drops in with pooling or run-through problems, depending on the qc of that particular cart.

Hope this helps.
 

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I'm sure I'll take some friendly fire on this, but I am a "battery end" filler on both my GC and regular 808 cartomizers. I have been using both types for quite a while now and my batteries seem to last as long as anyone else's. I'm careful in dripping into the battery hole and I make sure I dry off any excess with tissue and I keep them in my pocket with LED up when not in use. Flame at will....:D

Taste wise, I think the other posters have nailed it. Flavor and vapor are much "milder" with the GC's although sometimes almost too much. Thats why I find myself switching back and forth.

Cart quality and refill-wise, huge difference. Quality Control on the GC's seems much more consistent. The cartomizers on GC last a little longer before refilling. On refills, I can get 10-20 drops easily into the GC. With regular 808's it is much more hit and miss. Sometimes can't get more than 5 or 6 drops in with pooling or run-through problems, depending on the qc of that particular cart.

Hope this helps.


It does help, but, a little outdated, as I put the menthol VK, against a mint Gc yesterday, and the menthol VK lasted longer.....:hubba:

Been busy working on the new VK carts, different than the rest, and more changes to come shortly:p

Steve
 

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I'm sure I'll take some friendly fire on this, but I am a "battery end" filler on both my GC and regular 808 cartomizers. I have been using both types for quite a while now and my batteries seem to last as long as anyone else's. I'm careful in dripping into the battery hole and I make sure I dry off any excess with tissue and I keep them in my pocket with LED up when not in use. Flame at will....:D

Taste wise, I think the other posters have nailed it. Flavor and vapor are much "milder" with the GC's although sometimes almost too much. Thats why I find myself switching back and forth.

Cart quality and refill-wise, huge difference. Quality Control on the GC's seems much more consistent. The cartomizers on GC last a little longer before refilling. On refills, I can get 10-20 drops easily into the GC. With regular 808's it is much more hit and miss. Sometimes can't get more than 5 or 6 drops in with pooling or run-through problems, depending on the qc of that particular cart.

Hope this helps.

No flack here! Thanks for sharing your experience. I am glad to know that it is possible to do a battery drip with the GCs, the cart modding and syringes was starting to sound to complex for my IQ level.:p

BTW - I typically do a dual approach on the VK cart refills. When I am feeling patient, I dismantle em from the top and refill. When I just want a quick top off I drip from the battery end. I get overzealous on occasion and do both - then I have to blow out the cart.:rolleyes:
 

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It does help, but, a little outdated, as I put the menthol VK, against a mint Gc yesterday, and the menthol VK lasted longer.....:hubba:

Been busy working on the new VK carts, different than the rest, and more changes to come shortly:p

Steve

Tease! <taps foot impatiently while avoiding looking at the credit card statement>
 

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Tease! <taps foot impatiently while avoiding looking at the credit card statement>

Tell me about it! :p At least you have yours! I am sitting here staring at the mailbox, knowing that it can't possibly get here until tomorrow - and possibly even Thursday! I can't wait to get that baby in my hot little hands! :D
 

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I'm sure I'll take some friendly fire on this, but I am a "battery end" filler on both my GC and regular 808 cartomizers. I have been using both types for quite a while now and my batteries seem to last as long as anyone else's. I'm careful in dripping into the battery hole and I make sure I dry off any excess with tissue and I keep them in my pocket with LED up when not in use. Flame at will....:D

Taste wise, I think the other posters have nailed it. Flavor and vapor are much "milder" with the GC's although sometimes almost too much. Thats why I find myself switching back and forth.

Cart quality and refill-wise, huge difference. Quality Control on the GC's seems much more consistent. The cartomizers on GC last a little longer before refilling. On refills, I can get 10-20 drops easily into the GC. With regular 808's it is much more hit and miss. Sometimes can't get more than 5 or 6 drops in with pooling or run-through problems, depending on the qc of that particular cart.

Hope this helps.

I have only two "flames" for the above statements:

1: Battery end dripping on a GC entails dripping over and past the atomizer (its very like a 901) and could shorten atomizer life..as we all know drowning a 901 once too many times means its cleaning time, and cleaning an assembled GC cartomizer seems to be a technical nightmare. The juice has a long drive between battery hole and it's *intended* target..the filler batting. I'm impressed and amazed you get any of it where you want it with a GC cartomizer. I do see that you could do a "dripping method" with a GC..which would entail dripping a couple or 3 drops, vapin them away, then doing again like with a 901..but that kinda defeats the purpose of the cartomizer.

Battery end dripping for a VK cartomizer suffers some of the same setbacks, in that you're saturating the atomizer on your way to the batting, and that the liquid has to do a 180 degree turn to achieve it's intended target of the batting. This would apparently entail dripping, then inverting, then dripping, then inverting, to fully fill a cart...

This brings us to the second issue:

Issue number 2:
In either case, the VK or the GC cartomizer..it is utterly impossible to fill a cart completely without excess from the battery end. IE, you will either guess low and underfill, or guess high and over fill. You can't see what you're doing.

The danger of underfilling is pretty limited, but in the VK cart, if only the top of the batting is moist and the lower area is dry (and as such the atty in that area is dry) it can burn prematurely. Burnt atty is the "end of life" declaration of a cartomizer of the VK variety.

Overfilling runs risks of battery leakage which spells end of life of a battery..somewhat more expensive than a cartomizer. This can be resolved by letting the cartomizer drain and/or blowing through it, with a VK cartomizer. I see no really reasonable solution with a GC other than letting it stand battery end down and hope the excess drains.

Blowing wastes juice, the quantity dependant on how accurate your *guess* was on cart fullness/capacity and how much actually achieved its target.

Letting it stand exposes the juice to air, which does no favors for the juice flavor, and can thicken it (evaporation) resulting in premature cartomizer failure (thicker liquid refuses to wick properly)

Other than the few above mentioned issues, i'm all for battery end dripping...although the above issues prevent me from doing it, ever.

As always; Your mileage may vary.
 
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I have been experimenting with refilling the VK carts, and think I have found my perfered method.

1. pop off the cap
2. pull the silicone donut out
3. insert stopper and sleeve on battery side (came with cart)

This is were it gets different and I think I hit the sweet spot. Using the principles of the straw mod(letting air escape for quicker fill) I do not drip 1 drop, rotate drip rotate, drip rotate ect. to get the full 360 I split the cart into thirds virtually, leaving the third where the atomizer wire is dry(just for reference not for any paticular reason) so I drip, rotate drip, rotate skip(do not drip), rotate drip, rotate drip, rotate skip, ect... untill 2/3 of the cart surface starts to pool. STOP HERE, if you add any to the dry looking spot you will actuall over fill. That third you have not been dripping is filling from the bottom up pushing the air out, it will level off and it is a perfect fill!!

I can fill a cart in seconds, and it is ready to go immediatley. I use the bent binder clip handle mentioned previosly to pop the cap off. Nice stiff metal with "hooked" end to get under the cap.

VAPE ON!!!
 

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I really like the VK carts better than the Green Cig carts, thats just my opinion, there are many who swear up and down they are the best thing since sliced bread. Personally I think its just something you should try at least once with you VK, because it definitely different. Best way i can think of it is if you mix a VK cartomizer with a traditional atomizer (901, 510) then you get the green cig.
 
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