Guess what, I'm not crazy.

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So I had a Cisco 3.5ohm atomizer sitting around from when I was going to test the Aurora, but after I sent the Aurora back, I had sort of held off using the Cisco because it was a costly little thing and I wanted to wait until I possibly come across a better dripping atty or whatnot. I was sort of hoarding it.

But today's a rainy day, and I have nothing better to do than test out vaping gear, so finally, I just pull out the Cisco and try to test my taste buds, making sure that I haven't went crazy with how I taste wall-insulation with so many other devices.

I drip some Velvet Cloud Vapor's Candy Bar in it (you need a bit of thick juice in regular old dripping atties, the thin juices leak out like crazy), and start at 3.3V's.

Right away, there's no contaminant tastes. However, there's hardly any vapor (3.3V's with a 3.5 atomizer lol - hey, it fires and produces vapor), so I keep bumping it up, and re-dripping, and at approx. 4.1V's, it's producing excellent vapor.

So what's the big flavor result? GUESS WHAT. NO CONTAMINATED FLAVORS. This atty is even right out of the box. ALL I'm tasting is VCV's Candy Bar juice. Now, granted, there really isn't much flavor - VCV have been kind of iffy with that, and I'd believe their juices would probably shine best on a cotton build that can really wick that thick juice up. But NO wicky flavors found here! No wall-insulation! No asbestos! No cigarette filters! No dry silica!

I think this really proves I'm not nuts and that silica isn't the problem with my taste buds. It really is faulty devices. There's no reason my Aspire or Protank or anything else should really work less than this Cisco - all this Cisco is, is a filler-less cartomizer. That's all it is. You drip juice into it. It stays wet.

Now, I've had some funky tastes from much, much cheaper dripping atties, so yes, I think it's either contaminants or build qualities. The Cisco is an expensive little turd. And the build quality seems to reflect. Just NO bad tastes. I so wish the Aurora worked right - the juice simply wouldn't feed into the Cisco and other atties, there was a suction problem. But with how generally clean this Cisco tastes, I really wish it would have worked!

Other than those factors, I'm sucking on it the same, I didn't clean it, I'm using one of the same juices, I'm vaping at 4.1V's of all things (never have been able to do that before), and it's simply working... so far. Without a doubt, I know now that the other devices I've tried are faulty. All there is to it. Either the coils or built badly, or the coils burning other materials in the heads, or the factories are dousing the devices with so much contaminants that a vodka then 24 hour distilled water soak can't clean it. That's rubbish and those issues don't satisfy me.

P.S. Ya'll remember how VCV's Caramel Swirl was tasting like salt in the Aspire? In the Cisco, it's pretty sweet! Not miraculous, but certainly sweeter! Yayyy! This device actually tastes good!

However, there's no way I can buy Cisco's every time I turn around, and the flavor just isn't very strong on this one, so I'm still looking out for RBA's!
 
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It's more than a little scary that you know what wall insulation and asbestos and cigarette filters taste like. I'm really glad you found something to work for you though. That's Greatnews! I think I just heard Cisco take a huge breath of relief! He has a family to feed and I'm sure he doesn't want a negative review from you, Phil, Nick, Todd, Scott or any of the other big reviewers out there. Congrats, man! Now, sit back and enjoy.
 

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Without a doubt, I know now that the other devices I've tried are faulty.

No, like you, they are just different. Defective to you like you may be to others. None the less, just different.

Simply put, you prefer the flavor from a Steal mesh, and Thank goodness it didn't have primer fluid in it or WE would never hear the end of it.

Now you should put your efforts into finding a setup that works for your travels as well as casual vaping.
Don't Drip and Drive.:)
 

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The reason I actually know what wall-insulation (especially burnt wall insulation) tastes and smells like is because I grew up on construction sites instead of going to daycare (hey, I think I learned a whole lot more - I'm a much safer person because of it!) and naturally, when your around a lot of wall insulation, you'll have a piece fly into your mouth, and if you're ever around a construction fire, some piece of insulation will finally get in it, and the smoke is just horrid, but slightly sweet. And cigarette filters, we've all lit up the wrong end of a cigarette sometime, and the taste is simply horrid - it is just like dry burned silica or polyfil.

So I'm super sensitive to these tastes, but to be honest, these tastes are happening so severely in my other devices that I'd surely think any vaper would be alarmed. To me, I don't think it tastes very safe. That's just my thing.

But by and by, I just wish there wasn't so many filler materials - rubber, polyfil, heat guards, ect ect, in all the disposable heads. I don't see a purpose in much of it and it'd certainly give people like me much less problems to point to. Here this Cisco is, it doesn't have anything but silica, a coil, and a stainless steel mesh sort of "juice cage" inside of it, and it tastes clean. Tastes perfectly clean! It tastes so much cleaner than my Aspire heads that it is sort of ridiculous.

When it comes to having preference from vape to vape, I mean I would never bash a device for not giving me enough vapor, or giving me not enough throat hit, or just not giving me enough flavor, or whatever, those things are preferrences, but for a device to downright tasted burned, singed, or contaminated? To me, that falls under faulty, especially if you do everything you can to clean it. I've had those tastes with every replaceable head tank under the sun. I don't know what it is.

The only other thing I can think of is that lower resistences simply dry out the silica too fast for my liking. I mean, I am drenching this Cisco, and at 4.1V's and 3.5ohms, that can't be too much power going on. Could be a combination of the two factors. Who knows. I just know that this device tastes clean. Tastes perfectly ok. I don't like old fashioned dripping atties because lol who really does, I feel like I'm in 2004 or so, but hey, something's working!

P.S. I also haven't coughed this entire time of using the Cisco so far. The Aspire, with the contaminated tastes, somehow always sends me into a cough fit minutes later. Same juice and everything.
 
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Sounds to me like your answer long term might be a bottom feeder like Vmod or a REO with your cisco or a RDA designed to be bottom fed.

I am glad you found something that semi works for you.

If thinner juices are leaking all over the place then you are overdripping. A drip shield will help contain the mess. I myself never mastered not overdripping and simply went to a bottom feeder.
 

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Yeah, like I really thought the Aurora would be one of my end-all be-all's, but the model I received had a 510 defect where half of my 510 atties wouldn't screw into it, and the ones that did, no matter which position I used to squonk, the juice just wouldn't go "up/down" into the atty whatsoever (I kept using dry atties to visually check), it'd just fill up in the center chamber and overflow - absolutely no matter what. I really did a lot of testing with it to be sure, and it just seemed to be a faulty make.

(Just to go ahead and do a shout-out, the place I bought both the Aurora and the iClear 30, both having quite a few defects, was AquaVapors, and the reason I'm doing a shoutout is this - they refunded my entire purchase! They were a tad bit snark about it, but that's no concern of mine, they refunded me without any real hassle and that was truly good customer service - as long as they treat all customers in that same fashion, I'd entirely recommend them! Prompt customer service too!)

So yeah, if this Cisco continues to work well, and works for quite a long time, I may end up considering a higher end dripper, or seeing if anyone or their mother were to have another Aurora I can test out with my own hands. Such money goes into that though that I'm still geared toward the RBA's - my only real concerns with the RBA's is A. Lots of reports of machine residue tastes, and B. Finding one with a native air hole big enough to avoid burning tastes. Other than that, I really like how there's just nothing in most RBA's that would burn.
 

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So.......do we now get some peace around here.

Real Reviewers actually work to cover all aspects of a product. Their good points, bad points, things than can be improved or are not necessary - IN THEIR OPINION.

What I always get from reading anything you attempt to right about is This is Perfect or This is a total piece of garbage. Not even an IN MY OPINION.

Glad you finally got something that appeals to you.
Hope everyone takes everything you say with a Big grain of salt

Lastly, in MY opinion, you still have a very long way to go!
Have a safe Vaping time in your travels to true happiness.:)
 
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Well, that's really because all the models of the devices I've reviewed really have been garbage - I feel like in every review, I give a very detailed set of controlled tests. Many of these devices just can't be manipulated. I feel like the only review I've ever failed at is the Protank II because I just haven't rebuilt it yet (though I did tests with the flavor wick). All the rest, I really tried everything, and nothing would give. I also tried my best to give positives - like how the Aspire produces a ton of vapor, and how the Smokin' Crow doesn't have as harsh dry hits as I've gotten from silica wicks.

However, here we have the Cisco, and so far, it's behaving exactly as a normal vaping device should. It tastes entirely clean. That's my only real issue with anything else. It's not the vapor production, it's not the throat hit, it's not the visual style of the device, it's not the strength of the flavor, when it comes to vaping, I'm a clean taste guy. That's simply my only real concern in this industry, and when it comes to our health, I think it's one of the most important. It's one thing if there's just a bit of downer taste or the taste doesn't come through as much, but when the vapor tastes unhealthy, I think it's another matter entirely.

I think that's a major concern and it's really why I try to warn people of that - I understand totally that others' models may not taste like that, that it could be a billion factors with the models I simply got. But if they really do taste like that, and the person just isn't able to taste it, I find it alarming. There's no way I'd really vape anything that had the taste some of my devices have - if a cigarette tastes less chemical-like, you know something's wrong. If a burnt cigarette filter tastes better, you know something's wrong. I don't think any of our major reviewers across the field would give any sort of positive to the experiences I've vaped - I mean, you see just as negative or humorous reviews with Phil or GrimGreen or anyone who's tooted on an atomizer and almost puked.

I just tried my Captain Ron by Indigo in the Cisco, and even mixed with 14 other juices, I could taste the fruit flavors and the cleanliness that made me really enjoy the juice in the initial CE4 tester. In any other device, this juice (well, the device, I suspect) has tasted just like insulation. At best, it sort of tasted a little like Robitussin. In the Cisco, wow, it is %95 of what it was in the store's initial CE4 tester. A very, very clean flavor, I'm really happy with it. I'm sure this thread is probably enough, but I will be positing a more professional review of the Cisco as soon as it lives its life.
 
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'Well, that's really because all the models of the devices I've reviewed really have been garbage' -


Gee........................... Well maybe this little adventure has at least opened up your willingness to learn from others.

You know - the 100 or so of us who kept trying to tell you this?


you know - we were only trying to help, maybe now you can start to see this and actually think instead of telling us how superior your knowledge is and how inferior our own experiences are...
 
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Well, that's really because all the models of the devices I've reviewed really have been garbage...

That is probably true of most reviewers. They just won't admit it.

You have discovered on of the secrets of vaping. Most of the stuff on the market is junk! That's how they keep people coming back for more.

Do your own thing GoodNews, crazy or not. I like people who live just on the other side of convention.
 

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I am starting to get a picture here of what might be going on. You do know silica wick is glass fiber? So is insulation though in a different form. Given your experience in construction you just might be more sensitive to it than others. Perhaps your less than happy real life associations with burning glass fiber make you hyper sensitive to it.

MANY people report a MUTED taste with clearomizers (of pretty much any brand or model) as compared to dripping. That is pretty common so I am not surprised it is working for you. The Cisco dripping attys have had a reputation as some of the best for quite some time so it also is not surprising they work for you.

As for machine oil taste in rebuildables. I have yet to encounter one that when washed immediately when it arrives had that taste. Most of the time it is residual oils left from the machining. Just wash it when you get it and call it done.

The only "smell" issue I have encountered so far is with my Brass Sentinel v3 clone. I can smell the brass. Worse the brass smell gets on my hands and remains until I wash them. I keep the device as it makes a decent vapocalypse emergency thing but the smell is off putting to me. I do not have happy association in my life for that smell.
 
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