[hacks] easyer draging

[geppa]

Hi all. I keep reading about people having problems with draging, geting dizzy in the process and all that. It appears the solution is rather easy. I have two e-cigarillo from e-cig. Out of the box, they drag hard, just like everybody sais they do. Things change A LOT after a little tracheostomy. That is, a hole, cut/drilled in the metal body, 1 mm toward the mouthpiece from the point where the battery ends when in use. If anybody is interested, I would go into details and add some pics but really... it's all simple: not enough air goes from the cap (with tiny holes) to the atomizing chamber. The battery creates an almost perfect seal that you have to fight when you draw. Increase the airflow, and draging becomes FAR more easy. My cigarillos trippled their value (for me) in 3 minutes of dremel fun.

 

[TropicalBob]

Sounds scary! Isn't the microprocessor/vacuum switch in that area? (I have the e-cigar)

 

[geppa]

microprocesor ?!?... that's sales speak... no such thing in there (that I've seen)... (what would it do exactly?) I cleared the vacum switch by 2-3 mm. I can see the end of the spring that hold the batery.

 

[Meltrex]

microprocesor ?!?... that's sales speak... no such thing in there (that I've seen)... (what would it do exactly?) I cleared the vacum switch by 2-3 mm. I can see the end of the spring that hold the batery.

I tore an e-cig.com's penstyle battery apart (ongoing project to make a homemade usb plug) there is some electronics below the raw lithium battery itself(small chip and a transistor) near the flow/vacuum switch chamber also which is inside the battery housing. I'll try to post a pic sometime in the future. My current digital camera will not take a clear enough picture for me to post. As far as the atomizer side, I haven't taken one apart yet.. I have a dead atomizer from another company and will dissect it when I have time.

 

[RatInDaHat]

geppa, the blinking light has to be controlled somehow. not to say the processor does anything too amazing, but it does deal with the light flashing to tell you the battery is dead, etc. leds don't just do that stuff on their own. It also monitors the battery status and attempts to not let it drain too far.

-Dusty-

 

[geppa]

I tore an e-cig.com's penstyle battery apart (ongoing project to make a homemade usb plug) there is some electronics below the raw lithium battery itself(small chip and a transistor) near the flow/vacuum switch chamber also which is inside the battery housing.

I never said there were no electronics in there. Just that microprocessor is a BIG word in this context. Microcontroller (whole level of complexity below the former) is still a BIG word I'm afraid. Some electronics is far better I think. The difference is big. About as big as is the difference between analogic and digital. So far, I've seen a small circuit with a LED and a rezistor. Both in SMD (surface mounted, read really small) format. I'm yet to dig deeper (I will) so I might be proven wrong in the end. But the function doesn't add up to the description.

geppa, the blinking light has to be controlled somehow. not to say the processor does anything too amazing, but it does deal with the light flashing to tell you the battery is dead, etc. leds don't just do that stuff on their own. It also monitors the battery status and attempts to not let it drain too far.

There are LEDs that DO blink by themselfes. Not the case here, of course. But still... from blinking a LED when current is low from the battery to having a processor in there is a big, unnecessary and costly jump. And blinking that LED is about the most advanced stuff this device does. That is... THIS device. I've heard about some Ruyan deals that stop after a certain number of draws. That is different. That COULD sugest a microcontroller. Not necessarily.... but it COULD.

 

[TropicalBob]

"And controlling the function of the whole device is a silicon chip made by Motorola that ensures that it self cleans routinely every 1500 puffs, and controls the user feedback via the LED at the end of the cigarette."

"Micro" = small; "processor" = device that takes information, processes it creates action/s.

But let me put it another way for you. Isn't it dangerous to drill into your whatchamacallit so close to the thingamajiggy that controls your dodad? You could kaput it with your boo-boo.

 

[Meltrex]

It would be awesome if you could post us some pics. We love pics on here, well at least I do have you seen my youtube videos yet? lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ckn9kflxlU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXR2Gx_fvS0&feature=user


Enjoy!!!!

 

[RatInDaHat]

I tore an e-cig.com's penstyle battery apart (ongoing project to make a homemade usb plug) there is some electronics below the raw lithium battery itself(small chip and a transistor) near the flow/vacuum switch chamber also which is inside the battery housing.

I never said there were no electronics in there. Just that microprocessor is a BIG word in this context. Microcontroller (whole level of complexity below the former) is still a BIG word I'm afraid. Some electronics is far better I think. The difference is big. About as big as is the difference between analogic and digital. So far, I've seen a small circuit with a LED and a rezistor. Both in SMD (surface mounted, read really small) format. I'm yet to dig deeper (I will) so I might be proven wrong in the end. But the function doesn't add up to the description.

geppa, the blinking light has to be controlled somehow. not to say the processor does anything too amazing, but it does deal with the light flashing to tell you the battery is dead, etc. leds don't just do that stuff on their own. It also monitors the battery status and attempts to not let it drain too far.

There are LEDs that DO blink by themselfes. Not the case here, of course. But still... from blinking a LED when current is low from the battery to having a processor in there is a big, unnecessary and costly jump. And blinking that LED is about the most advanced stuff this device does. That is... THIS device. I've heard about some Ruyan deals that stop after a certain number of draws. That is different. That COULD sugest a microcontroller. Not necessarily.... but it COULD.

Ok. I understand what you are saying, but in laymen's terms a microprocessor and microcontroller are the same thing. I know that they make blinking leds, but these are not. There has to at least be a "controller" because i guarantee this isn't all controlled with analog electronics, nor just a couple transistors. Problem is that even in the industry, microcontroller and microprocessor is pretty interchangable. Oh and a little atmel processor would costs pennies when ordered in quantity.

-Dusty-

 

[leaford]

"And controlling the function of the whole device is a silicon chip made by Motorola that ensures that it self cleans routinely every 1500 puffs, and controls the user feedback via the LED at the end of the cigarette."

"Micro" = small; "processor" = device that takes information, processes it creates action/s.

But let me put it another way for you. Isn't it dangerous to drill into your whatchamacallit so close to the thingamajiggy that controls your dodad? You could kaput it with your boo-boo.

Awesome translation, TB!

I wonder what would come out if you ran THAT through Babelfish.

 

[leaford]

Awesome translation, TB!

I wonder what would come out if you ran THAT through Babelfish.

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Aaaannnnnd... here it is: "Isn't it dangerous in your whatchamacallit this way dense bore thingamajiggy which check your dodad? You could kaput it with your boo-boo." That was English to Dutch, then Dutch back to English.

 

[geppa]

But let me put it another way for you. Isn't it dangerous to drill into your whatchamacallit so close to the thingamajiggy that controls your dodad? You could kaput it with your boo-boo.

I meant no disrespect when I answered to you. Being a non-native speaker, I might have missed some supposed joke in there and got only the patronizing tone.... hmm... no biggie. I do draw enough nicotine to keep my cool.

"Micro" = small; "processor" = device that takes information, processes it creates action/s

I know what they are, I earn my life programing them, and designing systems that make use of them.

"And controlling the function of the whole device is a silicon chip made by Motorola that ensures that it self cleans routinely every 1500 puffs, and controls the user feedback via the LED at the end of the cigarette."

This is what I'm talking about. This is marketing speak but people try to extract technical data out of it. Most of the times, it doesn't really work that well. "Silicon chip" could mean a lot of things... from passive IC (just a bunch of lowly electronics punched together in some plastic) to multi core processors. Then they go to mark it as "microprocessor" in the schematic and say that it cleans after 1500 puffs. That's grand. To count puffs, it needs memory (RAM, volatile). To remember it between power losses, it needs another memory (ie FLASH, non volatile). To control it, it needs a memory controller. To have all that in a single chip, it needs to be a microcontroller. Small difference, but it makes the schematic wrong and suggests other things could be wrong as well. Then it sais "sensor" in the schematic... when it's actually just a switch, as you pointed out. Then it says "atomizing controller". That is even funnier. It's just a heater, surrounded by a miniature metallic owen, padded with steel wool. It vaporizes. The atomization part is bull as that generally involves flames or plasma and is exactly what this (e-smoking) is supposed not to be. The "controller" part is also bull... seeing how it controls nothing. We do (mostly), by drawing. Excuse the detail overload (some might appreciate it), my point is... they should either provide no detail or correct detail. Otherwise, its marketing speak.

@Meltrex: Will post pictures.

I understand what you are saying, but in laymen's terms a microprocessor and microcontroller are the same thing.

Ofcourse. But then the laymen don't usually mock you when you call things they're name. Usually...

There has to at least be a "controller" because i guarantee this isn't all controlled with analog electronics, nor just a couple transistors.

Why? What complex (needing logical computation) function is there? Don't get me wrong, I am NOT debating for the love of debating. I just want to understand these devices better. DIY improvements (boo-boo work) are more successful (less kaput) when a deeper knowledge of the thingamajiggy at hand is involved. That's all... really.

Awesome translation, TB!

I'm glad I caused it to be produced, if it made things clearer for you.

Oh and it does have some IC in there (dug deeper). Marks are missing on it so I don't know what it is. I could take educated guesses at it but I'll pass.

This all got way OT. The thing is, my boo-boo did a good job. The thingamajiggy still works. The dodad, as a whole, works better now.

 

[vafvaf]

"This all got way OT. The thing is, my boo-boo did a good job. The thingamajiggy still works. The dodad, as a whole, works better now. "


hi geppa , would be great to see the images! we all want our "boo-boo" work better
thanks,
non-native speaker

 

[RatInDaHat]

I don't think it has a cleaning cycle at all. I may not be as advanced as you, but if i wanted to have an led blink 10 times after a switch has been opened(or closed depending) 10 times in 5 minutes, micro controller would make sense to me. i don't pay my bills doing this stuff anymore, but i used to.

-Dusty-

 

[geppa]

pictures:

this is an e-cigarillo from e-cig:

I didn't care for finish, just better air intake.



this is (or was) an USB-eCig from e-cig:





some SOP8 of sorts

 

[RatInDaHat]

Geppa, let me quickly apologize for sounding condescending. That was not my intention.

I saw some similar stuff in an Njoy battery. the 8-pin chip could be a microcontroller. It could be others as well, but hard to tell with no markings. good pics though.

-Dusty-

 

[RatInDaHat]

just a quick note from experience.. Try not to puncture the battery. not a good thing to do and then you wasted money as well.

-Dusty-

 

[geppa]

@RatInDaHat
Don't apologize for what you didn't do. I wasn't talking about you. Besides, it doesn't matter.
I'm glad you like the pictures.
Don't worry, no batteries get punctured here. Especially not Li-ion/Li-Pol.

 

[HemiPower]

"And controlling the function of the whole device is a silicon chip made by Motorola that ensures that it self cleans routinely every 1500 puffs, and controls the user feedback via the LED at the end of the cigarette."

"Micro" = small; "processor" = device that takes information, processes it creates action/s.

But let me put it another way for you. Isn't it dangerous to drill into your whatchamacallit so close to the thingamajiggy that controls your dodad? You could kaput it with your boo-boo.

Bob ..anytime you are in Mobile Alabama let me know you sound like you would be a good laugh over a beer or 10

 

[LVD]

That little chip basicly protects the lithium battery from over charging and discharging. It is some sort of controller that blocks the current when to much current is drawn from the battery. Commercial talk: to protect the consumer from to much nicotine intake. That controller sends out a error signal when the battery is empty, or is temporarelly overloaded, etc., that error signal is normally used for testing puposes but here it is made visual by the little led. Not much different than the protection chips you find in almost every protected lithium battery.

So the E-smoking gear with dedicated batteries (mini's and pen model) are protected in the battery casing. The E-smoking gear that uses standard non protected AAA (Cigar and Cigarillo) or similar (pipe) Li-batteries are protected in the casing of the smoking device.