Hades clone getting REALLY HOT

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:facepalm: You've got resistance in the button assembly... as in, poor electrical conductivity.

That resistance is being converted to, and dissipated as heat, also known as "resistive heating". It's probably fixable... but should be done by someone with a DMM and a knowledge of what they're looking for.
If you're running super low resistance coil(s)... go up a few tenths and it should cool down a bit - at least until you can get it fixed - 'cause right now, there's a decent bit of potential danger.

I'd make the offer to fix it, but...
 

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:facepalm: You've got resistance in the button assembly... as in, poor electrical conductivity.

That resistance is being converted to, and dissipated as heat, also known as "resistive heating". It's probably fixable... but should be done by someone with a DMM and a knowledge of what they're looking for.
If you're running super low resistance coil(s)... go up a few tenths and it should cool down a bit - at least until you can get it fixed - 'cause right now, there's a decent bit of potential danger.

I'd make the offer to fix it, but...

Thanks for the response. I took it back into the smoke shop and there was a small spring inside that he simply removed and everything works just as it did before, but no heat.
 

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Thanks for the response. I took it back into the smoke shop and there was a small spring inside that he simply removed and everything works just as it did before, but no heat.
Interesting... I've not seen the insides of a Hades, but If I was to guess, the spring must have either (mechanically) prevented full electrical contact, or acted as a shunt, diverting current. Either way... a win is a win. ;-)
 

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Interesting... I've not seen the insides of a Hades, but If I was to guess, the spring must have either (mechanically) prevented full electrical contact, or acted as a shunt, diverting current. Either way... a win is a win. ;-)
The hades clone has a spring loaded pin in the top cap.
It's problematic and causes severe connection issues.
Removing it solves alot of conductivity issues.
A good cleaning of the threads won't hurt either.
 

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What would really be impressive is if people would start learn before Doing.

Guy took out something that was a part of the Mods design? That is usually a work around, not a fix.


The problem is the spring is unable to carry the load.
With most attys, and with the adjustable pin, the spring loaded part isn't needed to make proper contact.
You could source a high quality copper replacement spring, but it isn't needed to use the mod safely.

Mechs are very primitive devices. Simple understanding of how they work goes a long way in solving issues.
 

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The problem is the spring is unable to carry the load.
With most attys, and with the adjustable pin, the spring loaded part isn't needed to make proper contact.
You could source a high quality copper replacement spring, but it isn't needed to use the mod safely.

Mechs are very primitive devices. Simple understanding of how they work goes a long way in solving issues.

Agree, but disagree also

In this case the mod works without the spring - this says the spring should be for return and Not a part of the Current path. There is something NOT right in this version and it should be figured out both for personal knowledge and community information(other users)
 

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The question is not What is the problem, but WHY? :facepalm:

Not expecting an actual answer at this point.


Poor design/choice of material.
Easy as that.

What are you missing here?

Could easily be solved on the manufacturing end. Either use a solid 2ndary pin like most conventional mods or use a high conductivity material spring. The former would be preferred the latter.
 

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Totally missed the Top spring comments. Yes, unless you are capable of dialing the top pin in the spring could become a coil in effect.

Was wondering why the switch spring would be causing issues. :blink:

Also - many have been shipped out with the top setup incorrectly(assembled wrong is what I'm reading)
 

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Got me curious so I searched around. The spring for the top pin supplies contact tension on the battery without having to bear down on the battery with the cover. When exceeding design specs while sub-ohming the spring heats like an internal heat coil. The solution is to remove the spring and replace it with a conductive spacer. The pin is adjusted to slightly lower then battery length and the cover is torqued down to the battery to make contact with no give. No error or expansion room for the battery. Sounds like a penny in a plug fuse fix. Sure it works but does the battery need the expansion space? Have not yet studied the battery venting system and the potential that cap crush damage may have on it. Penny for your thoughts?
 

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Got me curious so I searched around. The spring for the top pin supplies contact tension on the battery without having to bear down on the battery with the cover. When exceeding design specs while sub-ohming the spring heats like an internal heat coil. The solution is to remove the spring and replace it with a conductive spacer. The pin is adjusted to slightly lower then battery length and the cover is torqued down to the battery to make contact with no give. No error or expansion room for the battery. Sounds like a penny in a plug fuse fix. Sure it works but does the battery need the expansion space? Have not yet studied the battery venting system and the potential that cap crush damage may have on it. Penny for your thoughts?

I just had this happen to me. The spring heated like a coil. when i took it apart the spring was actually compressed and would not uncoil. You mentioned using a conductive spacer. Where can I get a spacer like the one you talk about. Id rather not get a replacement spring as I see it happening again in the future.
 

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You dont need a spacer. Just dump the spring.
If you are intent on it, try to find a small copper pin or rod that you can cut or form to size to place in there.

so i had the same problem as the guy above who took the spring out and didnt get any connection so i took the pin out and flipped it upside down and put it on the outside and it now gets a connection without the spring. seems to be working ok. Im not sure if this will have any downsides but as for right now im not seeing any
 

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Got me curious so I searched around. The spring for the top pin supplies contact tension on the battery without having to bear down on the battery with the cover. When exceeding design specs while sub-ohming the spring heats like an internal heat coil. The solution is to remove the spring and replace it with a conductive spacer. The pin is adjusted to slightly lower then battery length and the cover is torqued down to the battery to make contact with no give. No error or expansion room for the battery. Sounds like a penny in a plug fuse fix. Sure it works but does the battery need the expansion space? Have not yet studied the battery venting system and the potential that cap crush damage may have on it. Penny for your thoughts?

With the pin removed there is no expansion space, but to be honest this is the first time I've ever heard this issue addressed before. There's already vents (and pretty significant ones) on the Hades which are there to relieve pressure in the event of a battery failure, I'm not qualified to say it doesn't need "expansion space" but I am qualified enough to say pretty much no other mech on the market has "expansion space" either, so removing the pin doesn't put you in a situation you wouldn't already be in with any other mod.

Mechs with floating center pins hold the battery tight once the atty is screwed down, so the battery is "squeezed" in there without any expansion space short of blowing the atty off. Other mechs use a system much like the Hades, but without the pin, where there is simply a threaded post (or two) that make contact and squeeze the battery when it's assembled. I know there are a few mechs with spring-held batteries but they aren't that common.

Another thing to consider is the whole pin assembly is secured to the top cap via a thin plastic coupler. If there was any extreme heat and/or pressure inside that mod that plastic coupler is going to fail quickly, relieving any pressure it exerts on the battery. But as I mentioned before, once the pin is removed the Hades functions like any other mechanical out there, so if it's dangerous to remove the pin than 90% of mechs on the market are equally dangerous.

For people having issues with connectivity once removing the pin:

Are you adjusting the post? The Hades tehcnically has a 3-part 510 center pin, with the spring-loaded pin removed you still have the ability to adjust the length via the threaded secondary portion of the post. The bottom part can be unscrewed from the top part taking up the space made by the pin's removal.

Removing the pin can also fix the hot-button issue mentioned before, even though it's on the opposite end of the mod. This is because the only thing pressing the battery down against the button is that weak tiny little spring. When you press the button, the battery moves upwards, shifts around, and you don't get a good connection between the negative contact and the battery's terminal because there isn't enough pressure.
 
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