hardware, juice

[plewm]

i've heard people talking about a "drip tip" altering/enhancing the flavour of a juice. i've also read that choice of juice is probably more important than any hardware choice (good juice on bad hardware > bad juice on good hardware).

my questions:

let's say that a juice tastes/feels great on a drip tip, could that same juice taste/feel horrible in an ego-t?

conversely, could a juice that tastes/feels good in an ego-t taste/feel horrible on a drip tip?

... is the _combination_ of hardware and juice the ultimate factor? ie. if i base my research on finding the best hardware, can i then go hunting for the juice that best suits it?

(i've only just started reading about this stuff so forgive my ignorance - i know that there's a whole lot more to it)

 

[B4DJ1N64N]

You will be easier to find some great juices for you if you have a great consistent hardware. There are myriads hardware to choose from, but only a handful setup which are consistent & dependable. But this is just my opinion.

 

[Bozzlite]

I would say that yes, good hardware is the foundation to build on. Dripping is a way of getting the most flavor and vapor out of juice, but dripping won't improve a bad juice. Its possible that bad hardware will make a good juice taste bad. But good hardware won't make a bad juice taste good.

So, first find the best hardware that suits you, then start the search for the juice. Juice is probably the harder part.

With hardware, you can probably go with the majority of opinions. Not so with juice. Thats just something you have to discover on your own.

Find some vendors that sell sampler packs and buy a variety of flavors and strengths. At the top of this page you will find the "Suppliers Forum" tab. Some sell hardware, some sell juice, some sell both. I recommend you purchase hardware from a hardware supplier, and juice from a juice supplier. Seems that very few, if any, suppliers have the best of both.

For hardware I highly recommend either www.liberty-flights.com or www.litecigusa.net

One of my favorite juice vendors is www.freedomsmokeusa.com Also www.backwooodsbrew.net


And BTW, welcome to ECF. If you have any questions, just ask.

 

[Il Brucaliffo]

taste changes between atomizers and juice feeders (like UFS or iatty or tank). Try to find YOUR best ecig

 

[NCC]

taste changes between atomizers and juice feeders (like UFS or iatty or tank). Try to find YOUR best ecig

As others have, I have found that my personal taste in juice changes over time. Something I really can't get enough of today, may be so so in a month, or even worse ... and vice versa. And that fact seems to be independent of the device in use.

 

[x-smok3]

Hi plewm,

Welcome, this is a great resource for ideas and direction; however that being said you will find everyone's tastes are different and one persons perfect solution is another persons worst ever.

I have only been vaping for about 2 months and have used the DSE901, Joye510, and the RIVA1100. If you want a mini (size of a cigarette I would recommend the 510 manual but be prepared to charge often (1-2 hours of use on a full battery). For my tastes the RIVA1100 is great! Yes it is bigger (about like a cigar) but the vapor is great, the battery time between recharges is 12-24 hours (I vape pretty heavy so maybe much longer for lighter users). I have tried the tanks and I have not been very impressed, maybe I was using it wrong but poor vape and not as much flavor to me. I like drip tips, cartomizers, and atty's depending on the juice and how much I feel like messing with it. The drip tips are most flavor but, of course, you have to keep dripping and I don't always want to fuss with it that much.

E-liquids are tougher, I have tried quite a few and like something about all of them but some that I like a lot I hated at first. Others that I don't care for as much are the ones that others on the forum rave about. Best advice is order sample sizes and if you don't like it put it aside for a while and try again, who knows you may just like it. Every flavor of Johnson Creek tasted like burnt rubber bands to me when I first tried it but now it is a favorite.

Have a great day and happy hunting

 

[BWG707]

I dont think PVs have much to do with a juice tasting good or bad. It might alter the taste a bit but its not going to change it from good to bad or bad to good. That's my experience.

 

[4mehealth]

Just a question, what constitutes bad hardware? INconsistent hits? As stated, I think it's hard for hardware to pooch the juice. It has an effect, but it won't alter the flavor (except a burning taste which is attributed to the atty/ carto.

That being said, my experience says that ego tanks will dilute/ mute the flavor. Drippinh will provide you with the most flavor/ vapor.

 

[plewm]

thanks everybody. i'm gonna ask another question here even though it's off-topic. info on e-cigs is so scattered as it is so i figure why make another post.

i'm thinking of ordering a number of components instead of a "starter kit" so i can tinker around and see what my preference is (cartomizers, atomizers and cartridges, tankomizers and tanks, drip tips, whatever else i can afford).

is there any big reason people choose the bigger ego battery over the pencil-sized 510 battery other than longer time between charges? is it possible to vape at 5V with the smaller battery by using some kinda mod? is there a tankomizer available that can fit the pencil-sized 510 battery?

 

[4mehealth]

There's no other reason (in my mind) of choosing one battery over another aside from battery life.

As for components, might I suggest a starter kit as well? This takes care of atty/cart. Then you'll just pile on some carto's, tanks. drip tips, etc. Unless you're sure you don't want what's in the kit. 2 batteries and a charger is always nice. However, I never bothered to price everything out on its own.

For the kits (eGo's and slim style), I don't think anybody offers a 5v. For that, I think you'll have to step up to a mod. There is the eGo booster being sold by Happy Vaper. I haven't read much on it, but maybe that one will put you up to 5v (this is assuming you're picking up the eGo).

 

[wv2win]

...........is there any big reason people choose the bigger ego battery over the pencil-sized 510 battery other than longer time between charges? is it possible to vape at 5V with the smaller battery by using some kinda mod? is there a tankomizer available that can fit the pencil-sized 510 battery?

There's no other reason (in my mind) of choosing one battery over another aside from battery life.

As for components, might I suggest a starter kit as well? This takes care of atty/cart. Then you'll just pile on some carto's, tanks. drip tips, etc. Unless you're sure you don't want what's in the kit. 2 batteries and a charger is always nice. However, I never bothered to price everything out on its own.

For the kits (eGo's and slim style), I don't think anybody offers a 5v. For that, I think you'll have to step up to a mod. There is the eGo booster being sold by Happy Vaper. I haven't read much on it, but maybe that one will put you up to 5v (this is assuming you're picking up the eGo).

There are BIG reasons to choose better battery PV's over small batteries other than how long they hold a charge.

Most people want their PV to come as close as possible to simulate the "inhaled feel" of a cigarette. To do that consistently you need more power to go along with a higher nicotine strength (18-36mg). As a battery drains, it can not provide consistent power to the atty/carto. So if a new small battery starts out "under load" at 3.2 volts, within the first half hour of vaping, the power output drops below 3.2 volts and inconsistency sets in. You may get overall battery life of 1-2 hours but good vaping power for 30-45 minutes.

With a good 5 volt or variable volt PV that provides much better power, the warmth and consistency of the vapor lasts much longer, in the range of 5-6 hours. And if you get a PV with "regulated boost circuit" technology there will be no drop-off in power at all to the atty as the battery drains, so you get the ultimate in consistency.

And there is nothing you can add to a mini PV battery (510, 402, etc) to make it into to a 5 volt PV.

 

[plewm]

There's no other reason (in my mind) of choosing one battery over another aside from battery life.

so getting 4 (or?) pencil-sized batteries instead of 1 ego battery is a sane option?

edit: posted before reading wv2win's reply

 

[plewm]

so for argument's sake, if i hooked up a 510 usb passthrough and an ego side-by-side, with the exact same juices/addons, the vaping experience would be the same? or how might they differ..

(don't worry, few more steps away from actually trying stuff irl, appreciate everyone's patience)

 

[An Ita]

After a few weeks with my 5v box mod, I have decided to get a vv mod to hopefully be my daily driver. It seems to offer the most options for enjoying the juices, and also allows the use of attys of any resistance so I'm lookin forward to it.

 

[dormouse]

Some people think the Ego tanks diminish flavor. But even for people who don't like the tanks, Ego is still one of the best models to buy. 510 threading has the absolute most stuff. So many 510 atomizers, plus the Joye 306 atomizers, and so many different kinds of blank cartomizers from the favorites Boge to reservoir types to jumbos and dual coils and ones modded to have larger reservoirs. And Ego can use both the standard resistance versions and the hotter low resistance ones for people who want a bigger hit at the expense of battery charge life. And there are adapters to use other model atomizers.

And I think the Ego-T batteries might have a unique method of multiple presses to disable and enable the battery, giving them a handy on/off switch.

I do recommend you buy Joye or Janty brand (Janty invented, Joye manufactures). Liberty-Flights.com is a good place to shop for Joye stuff - press the 20% off upper left of the front page to lower the shown prices first. They also sell the popular Ego clone Riva 510. There are some clones around elsewhere that are called just "Ego" and are not Ego.

Re flavor - for me it's good cartomizers and the reason is not because cartomizers deliver the best flavor because they probably don't. The reason is because every carto is a fresh atomizer, and because they are self-contained, every flavor has its own atomizer. The flavor may not be perfect but it's fairly consistent and separate. If I use thin clear juices and keep a carto damp, I can get good performance for at least a week out of each carto. I use Boge cartos.

Dripping - I enjoy it for the flavors I can't put in cartos (once that are too thick and would make the carto sluggish to drag)

Re slim Joye 510 - the standard batteries are 180mah or about 1-3 hours of vaping (average 1.8 hours). I prefer the longer slim 510 batteries - Joye 510 mega xl 280mah or 60% more charge (but I don't like the mega atty or mega carts). I only recommend getting slim 510 with manual batteries. The 510 manuals are great - totally sealed metal on the threaded end so they are safe for dripping and not at risk from dripping or refilled cartomizers. Manuals also give you more control of your hit, make it easier to get a good hit, won't turn on accidentally from wind or vibration. Slim 510 can only use standard resistance atomizers and cartomizers. Dripping is not recommended on auto batteries.

 

[wv2win]

so for argument's sake, if i hooked up a 510 usb passthrough and an ego side-by-side, with the exact same juices/addons, the vaping experience would be the same? or how might they differ..

(don't worry, few more steps away from actually trying stuff irl, appreciate everyone's patience)

A 5 volt pass-through, connected to a 5 volt/2 amp USB to AC wall adapter is the only way to get true 5 volt performance from a pass-through plus prevent damage to your computer. With this true 5 volt set-up compared to a 3.2 volt (under load) eGo, you would find a significant performance upgrade with the PT over the eGo.

 

[BladeZ]

for my case, i tried to find the kit that most suitable or the best for me.. then i proceed to finding the juices that suits my taste.. afterall its the kit that gonna bring the flavour and the throat hit to the max for each of every flavours.. am i wrong..?

 

[wv2win]

for my case, i tried to find the kit that most suitable or the best for me.. then i proceed to finding the juices that suits my taste.. afterall its the kit that gonna bring the flavour and the throat hit to the max for each of every flavours.. am i wrong..?

Throat hit is about 95% enhanced by two things: warmth of the vapor (better kit, i.e. - 5 volt or variable volt) and nicotine strength. Higher nicotine strength also helps enhance the throat hit.

 

[plewm]

A 5 volt pass-through, connected to a 5 volt/2 amp USB to AC wall adapter is the only way to get true 5 volt performance from a pass-through plus prevent damage to your computer. With this true 5 volt set-up compared to a 3.2 volt (under load) eGo, you would find a significant performance upgrade with the PT over the eGo.

i'm not _looking_ to outgun the ego. i'm just looking for differences between a small pass-through unit and a bigger manual standalone unit. not sure on power ratings - the vendor just says "Black 510 USB Pass-Through" and "manual eGo 650mAh battery".

side-by-side, with the same atomizers/juices/etc, with the usb unit plugged in, would there be differences?

 

[wv2win]

i'm not _looking_ to outgun the ego. i'm just looking for differences between a small pass-through unit and a bigger manual standalone unit. not sure on power ratings - the vendor just says "Black 510 USB Pass-Through" and "manual eGo 650mAh battery".

side-by-side, with the same atomizers/juices/etc, with the usb unit plugged in, would there be differences?

If it's a 5 volt pass through, set up as I described, then yes, there will be a difference. If you just plug it into your computer, there may not be because it won't be providing 5 volts and it definitely could ruin your computer.