So let me get this right LOL , you are saying that out of all the smoking related deaths around the world all of them must be caused by all the other chemicals in cigarettes EXCLUDING diketones .
In your mind DIKETONES would have to be the sole cause of illness and not just a contributor like all the other chemicals is that right , c, mon man .
That makes ZERO sense .
Hey, let's flip this. If diketones were removed from cigarettes, would this mean they are suddenly significantly safer? If not, why not?
OF COURSE there is not evidence of diketone SPECIFIC disease in smokers , the exact cause of the millions and millions of respiratory diseases and other diseases people suffer from due to smoking is NEVER attributed to a single factor , it is ALWAYS part of smoking in general , you have got to know this i mean c, mon.
And when the same is done with vaping (cause vaping kills, according to future ANTZ), will you say it is all factors, or will you then try to say it's the flavors?
With all ingredients in vaping, there's a 'potential risk.' Some of these are relatively understood, others are likely to be studied further. But isn't it fair to ask who will be doing the studying/reporting? If it were BT researchers spending 100 million and coming up with results that scientific review says is fine, do ya think ANTZ and haters of BT will accept it? I don't. But if it is 100 million dollars spent by what is otherwise known as ANTZ-leaning researchers, will that then be factual information? If yes, then there is, according to those types right now, "good" reason to not vape at all, given potential risks (of all ingredients).
I find it very difficult to believe that you don't know or understand this , the overwhelming majority of people i knew who smoked developed breathing difficulties and needed oxygen tanks to continue breathing because they could not do it on their own .
Of the dozen smokers I've known (family, friends), I think maybe 1 was on an oxygen tank. Maybe. If I stretch that number to 50 people who are more or less acquaintances, that number goes up to 2. All anecdotal, but this idea that is majority is ludicrous in my experience. Me, when I smoked heavily for years, I noticed it impacted my breathing. And then when I went cold turkey (also for years), I noticed it was all better. Whether it was truly all better at the microscopic level, I really didn't care and don't know. If stopping smoking makes one feel a lot better health wise, and yet that may not be accurate on the micro level, then why stop? Really, why stop if in reality you aren't better? I submit that the reason people prefer to not smoke is because they feel better. But take the never smoker, and let's investigate their internals and see if they pass the 100% smell test. Of the ones I know, I'd be entirely surprised if they did. Of all those in the world, I'm sure there's some (like .000000003%) that would pass with flying colors.
Thing is, right now I'm a moderate smoker. So when I see all this hoopla about how bad smoking is, I take it with grain of salt. Cause I've done cold turkey and still have gone longer cold turkey in my past that I would say any vaper alive today has quit via vaping. I use my cold turkey as baseline to what moderate smoking does to me, and they aren't far off. I spend around $10 a month on smokes, I don't have nic stained fingers, doubt anyone can smell smoke on my clothes except right after I have one, and health wise it is about the same. It truly is, though I'd probably want to explain that in detail in event that someone needed further explanation.
I'm guessing ALL the people you've known that had problems with smoking were abusive smokers. I've been that type of smoker.
But in reality, I can't think of any substance (at all) then when used abusively will not take a toll on the human body, behavior. While there are degrees to this of concern, smoking is in all of my experience (and those I know) rather tame. For the person who watched a person die after smoking for decades, I get that their experience would be different. Do they (or you) get that mine is different? That I've known relatives who smoked for decades and were not devastated later in life due to all that smoking.
One was a neighbor , a family friend who smoked a ton and died recently because of breathing difficulties and my aunt , still alive but gave up smoking five years ago but needs to carry around an oxygen tank with her to breath .
Cigarettes are not good for your health , they cause countless human deaths every year , to say that none of it can be contributed to diketones because if it had anything to do with diketones somebody would of said " lets be clear here, all these smoking related deaths are caused by all the other chemicals except the high levels of diketones , i mean c, mon .
I could concede on the diketones being a contributing factor, just as I would say your aunt and neighbor very likely had contributing factors apart from smoking that contributed to their condition(s). And at that level, this notion that smoking causes whatever or even that 'smoking kills' is absurd.
When they get around to the meme 'vaping kills' it won't be one ingredient they highlight, and if anything it'll be the nicotine they mention most, while they know and we know, it ain't that which is predominant factor.
I fully expect PG/VG will get a lot more scrutiny going forward, and IMO, it'll make the diketone issue look not different than the formaldehyde problem. Or alleged problem. IOW, I think we are just getting started on the propaganda war that is being waged.
As I've said before, if we could just get rid of the nic, the flavorings, the PG and the VG, then they'd have nothing to attack us on. Oh wait, they'd still attack us because of the stigma they've attached to ones like us: once a vaper, always a vaper.
