Has anti-smoking movement gone too far?
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Good interview- just sort of wished that he had said something about smoke-free alternatives too that the ANTZ want to also classify the same as smoking, but I agree- the outdoor bans have gone WAY TO FAR!!!
(OH, and are not based on any kind of Science)
(OH, and are not based on any kind of Science)
Yeah, I hope the ANTZ lose credibility- of course, they have already for those "in the know."
But will this change anything? Is he recognized enough and is he willing to bring this out? Or is it to late?
Oh he has been bringing it out. And I don't think it's too late. I think it is only beginning. People like Dr. Siegel and Dr. Brad Rodu and Carl Phillips have been attacked for criticizing the tobacco control movement and for promoting the concept of tobacco harm reduction. But we are seeing the popularity of e-cigarettes growing exponentially.
And that frightens the tobacco control movement. In fact one of the Poster presentations scheduled for next week's Society for Research on Nicotine and Tobacco (SRNT) conference is titled:
THE REACH OF E-CIGARETTES ON THE INTERNET HAS BEEN UNDERSTUDIED AND POTENTIALLY THREATENS GLOBAL HEALTH
John W. Ayers, Ph.D., M.A.*1,2,3, Benjamin M. Althouse Sc.M.4, 1Children’s Hospital Informatics Program at the Harvard-MIT Division of Health Sciences and Technology, Boston, MA, USA; 2Children’s Hospital Boston, Boston MA, USA; 3Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA, USA; 4Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, MD, USA
On the other hand, we have this:
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A RANDOMIZED CLINICAL TRIAL OF PRESCRIBED SMOKELESS TOBACCO USE AMONG UNMOTIVATED CIGARETTE SMOKERS: A PILOT STUDY
Jessica L. Burris*1, Matthew J. Carpenter1,2, and Kevin M. Gray1, 1Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Medical University of South Carolina; 2Hollings Cancer Center, Medical University of South Carolina
As long as all the good little citizens are saying, "Yes, the emperor's new clothes are lovely," things stay the same. But even one little loud voice can begin to turn the tide of public opinion.
Most of the tobacco control community movers and shakers are college professors, researchers, and "public health officials". They believe what they have always believed and practice "confirmation bias" in structuring their research and in their writings.
The practicing physicians are the ones who are seeing the results of THR in practice. They are already starting to talk about it, and pretty soon when there are several million former smokers who found smoke-free alternatives much more effective than nicotine abstinence, it is going to become harder and harder for the ANTZ to sell their lies.
How many of you know at least one doctor who is supportive of using e-cigarettes as a replacement for inhaling smoke? I know several.
And that frightens the tobacco control movement. In fact one of the Poster presentations scheduled for next week's Society for Research on Nicotine and Tobacco (SRNT) conference is titled:
THE REACH OF E-CIGARETTES ON THE INTERNET HAS BEEN UNDERSTUDIED AND POTENTIALLY THREATENS GLOBAL HEALTH
John W. Ayers, Ph.D., M.A.*1,2,3, Benjamin M. Althouse Sc.M.4, 1Children’s Hospital Informatics Program at the Harvard-MIT Division of Health Sciences and Technology, Boston, MA, USA; 2Children’s Hospital Boston, Boston MA, USA; 3Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA, USA; 4Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, MD, USA
On the other hand, we have this:
POS3-37
A RANDOMIZED CLINICAL TRIAL OF PRESCRIBED SMOKELESS TOBACCO USE AMONG UNMOTIVATED CIGARETTE SMOKERS: A PILOT STUDY
Jessica L. Burris*1, Matthew J. Carpenter1,2, and Kevin M. Gray1, 1Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Medical University of South Carolina; 2Hollings Cancer Center, Medical University of South Carolina
As long as all the good little citizens are saying, "Yes, the emperor's new clothes are lovely," things stay the same. But even one little loud voice can begin to turn the tide of public opinion.
Most of the tobacco control community movers and shakers are college professors, researchers, and "public health officials". They believe what they have always believed and practice "confirmation bias" in structuring their research and in their writings.
The practicing physicians are the ones who are seeing the results of THR in practice. They are already starting to talk about it, and pretty soon when there are several million former smokers who found smoke-free alternatives much more effective than nicotine abstinence, it is going to become harder and harder for the ANTZ to sell their lies.
How many of you know at least one doctor who is supportive of using e-cigarettes as a replacement for inhaling smoke? I know several.
I think it's gone too far, my mom thinks it has gone too far and she's never smoked in her life. We don't get how they can control smoking in a vehicle when there are SO many deaths caused by drunk driving. The only reason beer/alcohol isn't given the same argument and scrutiny is because they sponsor EVERYTHING, mainly football. WVU recently started allowing beer to be served at their football games in the stadiums. It was prohibited before and people had tailgate parties in the parking lot before the game (not much better, but something they couldn't completely control, either). It all comes down to money, as usual, not truly health. That's my view, anyway.
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It's a trend we see all too often. A Good cause, in this case the harm caused by smoking, is taken up and because of the opposition becomes entrenched in a position of total prohibition. This in turn discredits the original good idea and the whole thing becomes self defeating.
Alcohol prohibition, anti abortion, anti smoking, all caught up in this our way or the highway attitude.
A shame really because we are all on the same side trying to do something to benefit smokers, we say alternative but the anti side have become so entrenched that smoking behavior has become their enemy.
Alcohol prohibition, anti abortion, anti smoking, all caught up in this our way or the highway attitude.
A shame really because we are all on the same side trying to do something to benefit smokers, we say alternative but the anti side have become so entrenched that smoking behavior has become their enemy.
My doctor was the one that recommended I try vaping! Meanwhile up here we have Health Canada blocking shipments at the border if they contain nic! It's not about safety, it's about money. They haven't got things set up so they can collect 80% taxes on our e-cigs like they do on analogues and NRTs so they just expect us to keep smoking away like happy little sheep, all while .....ing at us to quit by the "approved" methods! It's government hippocracy at it's finest! I started smoking on my own terms, I'M GOING TO QUIT ON MY OWN TERMS!!
yep. i used to laugh at the right wing libertarian "nanny state" arguments. but it turns out they were right. on many counts. so i'm on the lookout for the next Pauline Sabin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .
my doctor does support me in my smoke-free quest. so much so he is handing out the e-cig buisness cards i give him to his patients that smoke. he told me that due to legal stuff he can't do much more than that. so every time i go in to the doctor i hand him more cards.
I think they went way too far long ago when they usurped private property rights and took away individual freedom and responsibility with the bans in restaurants and bars. Maybe someday the tide will turn and once again we'll be a free country. I don't have much hope for that though.
Tobacco Control is a global movement. They even have international meetings to talk about strategies. 15th World Conference on Tobacco or Health (WCTOH) 2012
The US national meeting is described here: tobaccocontrolconference.org
And check out who the sponsors are by clicking "Sponsors" in the navigation bar on the left, and then "Our Sponsors."
It is only our U.S. Constitution that protects us to some extent. In Europe, you have the EU running things, and the World Health Organization is pulling strings everywhere.
A global movement indeed. And it's sad that the US is part of it. We should be an example of how a free country works, but we're failing at that more and more. We were founded by people who fought against the greatest military power in the world. I suspect that if they saw the incredible list of laws, rules and regulations that we live under now they might be wondering why they bothered. The biggest threat to our liberty does not come from outside, but from within our own houses of government.
Even when I was a smoker, I never lit up close to others while outside. The anti-smoking movement is entering into pretty kooky territory, considering their condemnation of smoking outdoors, and their latest mass-panic about teen smoking. As if nobody new many teens still smoke. More nonsensical ax-grinding certainly isn't the answer.
I had no problem with the smoking bans in city establishments, because that is indeed a public health issue. But now they're coming after vaping, with pitchforks.
It makes more sense when you just look at where a lot of the funding comes from.
I had no problem with the smoking bans in city establishments, because that is indeed a public health issue. But now they're coming after vaping, with pitchforks.
It makes more sense when you just look at where a lot of the funding comes from.
The name of the meeting is telling "...Tobacco or Health" ...couldn't possibly expect both!
Yea, then big pharma could come up with this new healthful drug nicotine and have total control over it, wouldn't that make them smile.
The host's closing thought says it all: "...the takeaway here is some advocates get addicted to advocacy and that becomes more important than the science......"
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