Has anyone been able to perfect the standard Castle Long Recipe?

[misterholidayhouse]

- Castle Long - 15ml batch. 13.5ml base. 10% flavoring.

2.5% TFA Kentucky Bourbon .375ml

1.5% Coconut Extra .225ml. (I used 2% TFA Regular coconut. .3ml)

1.5% TFA Acetyl Pyrazine .225ml

1.5% TFA Toasted Almond .225ml

1% Vanillin .15ml. (I used FW Madagascar vanilla.)

1% TFA Bourbon Vanilla .15ml

1% TFA Brown Sugar .15ml

This mix, based on a popular recipe found on most forums, is as close as I can get so far based on my modest flavor collection. I did ad a couple of my own tweaks which helped. Especially the Madagascar Vanilla. The liquid smells spot on, as does the vapor. What is lacking for me is more mouth feel and maybe a hint of sweetness/richness that I can't put my finger on. I tried adding Ethyl Maltol which muted the flavor. A couple drops of Bavarian cream dominated and ruined the balance. I read that a tiny amount of TA rounds it out, but it didn't work for me.. Should I be using two types of vanilla?

Any of you found a way to bring this up a notch while keeping with the original flavor profile? I'm close but there is still something missing. I'm one month into DIY and am pleased to have had several successful recipes that I'm enjoying but I'm struggling a little with this one. So close, but it's just too dry. I've upped the percentages which didn't help so I'm sticking to 10% flavoring at this time.

Thanks.

 

[Kenna]

5P uses Fr. Van, & Madagascar Van. Or that's what their site & vendor profiles used to say. Have you tried a bit of Joy?

 

[Broodmance]

Not a recipe I've tried but a little bit of marshmallow will help make it feel more wet. 1 to 3%

 

[misterholidayhouse]

I've got French Vanilla in my cart and am waiting for Oak Wood to be back in stock at Bull City. I agree that there is an additional vanilla component missing here. Not sure if marshmallow is the answer for this one but I have that and Toasted Marshmallow on the list as well. Bulking up on flavors this weekend for several things I want to try. I've got 23 in my cart at Bull City but am waiting on the Oak Wood before I drop the order. I never thought about Joy. Might have to try it. Lots of differing opinions on that one. The Madagascar Vanilla is a new fav. I don't care if it's dark. It's awesome in several mixes I've put together. Fantastic with RY4D!

 

[JD1]

The TH nic from Vapers Tek has a different mouth feel for me. I'm not sure if it would be step in the right direction or not. I'm liking it in some of my tobacco mixes and would rather have the non th in others. Just thought I'd mention that in case you were thinking of checking it out anyway.

Is the FW Madagascar vanilla much of a coil gunker?

 

[misterholidayhouse]

Is the FW Madagascar vanilla much of a coil gunker?

I've only been using it for about a month at 2-3% in several different recipes. It's dark but at those percentages it only ads a nice light color to the liquid. I'm getting longer coil life from my DIY mixes including the ones with M-Vanilla than any store bought liquids I use. Same goes for Vanilla Bourbon, a MUST in the CL clone.

 

[JD1]

I've only been using it for about a month at 2-3% in several different recipes. It's dark but at those percentages it only ads a nice light color to the liquid. I'm getting longer coil life from my DIY mixes including the ones with M-Vanilla than any store bought liquids I use.

Good to know, and I think I'm going to give it a try. At the moment I'm having pretty good luck with a mix of TFA vanilla swirl and TFA vanilla bean. Some of the vanillas that I really like tend to change flavor under heat, plus they're usually coil gunkers as well.

 

[Kenna]

I've got French Vanilla in my cart and am waiting for Oak Wood to be back in stock at Bull City. I agree that there is an additional vanilla component missing here. Not sure if marshmallow is the answer for this one but I have that and Toasted Marshmallow on the list as well. Bulking up on flavors this weekend for several things I want to try. I've got 23 in my cart at Bull City but am waiting on the Oak Wood before I drop the order. I never thought about Joy. Might have to try it. Lots of differing opinions on that one. The Madagascar Vanilla is a new fav. I don't care if it's dark. It's awesome in several mixes I've put together. Fantastic with RY4D!

I have to get some toasted coconut. I've tried the recipe you are using, & that is what I keeping missing in each one i've tried. That & the actual oakwood steeping.

 

[misterholidayhouse]

I have three more vanillas and three more coconuts coming. Went ahead and dropped the order with Bull City, and Wizard Labs had Red Oak in stock so I ordered that along with some nic base. DIY is proving to be just as addictive when it comes to constant ordering as vendor made juice used to be for me. The good thing is a lot of these flavorings should last me for a couple years.

 

[Kenna]

All true!

 

[alpiland]

Take a look here
Castle long clone recipe? Anyone?

 

[Hans Wermhat]

Vape Wizzard maybe? From what I hear it gives the mouth feel you typed about without affecting flavor.

 

[misterholidayhouse]

Well, after messing around with this recipe for a month, I've settled on this final mix.
I believe this is as close to the real thing as I've been able to come up with and I've been tweaking it constantly. I hope you enjoy it if you mix this one up. Needs to steep for a week to take the rough edges off, but quite vapable fresh.

- Castle Long - 12% flavor. 30ml. 50/50 PG/VG
30ml mix use 26.4ml base
2.5% Kentucky Bourbon TFA .75ml

2% DX Coconut Candy TFA .60ml

1.5% Acetyl Pyrazine TFA .45ml

1.5% Toasted Almond TFA .45ml

1.5% Madagascar Vanilla FW .45ml

1% Vanilla Bourbon TFA .30ml

1% Brown Sugar Extra TFA .30ml

1% Red Oak. TFA .30ml