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I understand that. I also understand where she's coming from- there's been a lot of bad press & misinformation out there.

I would go to CASAA and print out some of their information. It might put her mind at ease.

CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

CASAA Printable Material

Good Advice! And please join and support CASAA to fight against the misinformation, lies and efforts to ban/restrict vaping.
(and I completely understand how you feel and would feel the same way)

Here is some additional information which you can share with your wife:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/42094-electronic-cigarettes-safe.html

This letter to the FDA from Bill Godshaw (long time anti-smoking activists) has some very good information in it also:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on-food-drug-law-institute-conference-dc.html
 

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I have and I have to agree with Renolizzie.

Twenty years of marriage and I had the same exact experience when I quit smoking for vaping, it was "Never' about the smoking, the kids, or vaping at all I know now, and its definetly not a 'women' thing either. Its about control, you are a person, a grown adult, not a young piece of clay and you already had parents. The vaping hurts no one. Hate to say it but sounds like she prefers you outside, ie: don't let the kids see you, and that is not actually odd, I'm not saying you shouldn't cut her some slack, that kind of change seems little but can have a bigger effect on people around you than you realize, being inside brings changes for her to, means you have more input because your there at the moment instead of outside as well, shes used to having you outside at certain times, so not having to deal with anything but how or what she feels like doing about whatever at the moment. She probably wanted you back inside too, don't let her push you back out now, you both have to adjust to that now, pushing you back out shouldn't be an option for dealing with that change now, the change has to be confronted, or after vaping it will just be the next thing.

Your a person, the kids knowing you quit smoking in favor of a hobby that is actually more work because the smoking was bad for you and you didn't want to expose them to it because you love them, but you wanted to be inside with them more, is not bad for the kids to see, if they know you smoke even if you were smoking outside, and ten to one if their older then two they know it even if you don't say it, kids are like that, seeing you vape is not going to hurt them, its to late to deter them from ever trying it if they want to by virtue of having no one in their life that smokes, that ship has already sailed, if they already know you smoke or did, or anyone else they know does, because.... they already know, seeing you vape or smoke, not vape or not smoke, is not going to change that. My kids were actually more supporative of this in the end, then my husband ever was once I'd finally done it, no matter what I did he found a reason why this thing I'm doing instead of smoking, wasss baaad, the kids on the other hand found a reason why vaping made me a hero, after thirty years of smoking, and he would constantly remind them that my vaping was still bad, ie I hadn't really quit I am still doing something bad.

I quit smoking for vaping, after twenty years of marriage, when nothing else ever worked or could ever make me quit, and him pushing me to quit the entire time, all I got once it was done, was that held back smile and a well thats good and a right onto coming up with reasons why my vaping is bad, the kids, the cost, the ooo that has to be bad for you to and everyone else around you no matter how many studies he was shown saying otherwise. He didn't care because he wasn't interested in hearing it, his mind was immediately made up about this before ever actually learning more about it, because in reality it was never about it being better or harmless, because he wasn't really interested in that or that it could keep me from smoking, at all. He was only interested in where he would find a new guilt stick to maintain the status quo.

The truth is he wasn't interested in hearing it because he wasn't concerned about wether this was actually a harmless hobby or not he was only concerned with finding a way to make it a bad thing like smoking to. He couldn't live without that guilt control, without the I'm superior I don't smoke now security-ego thing, with my being able to do things and be involved in things I couldn't be before. The only way to keep the status quo was to find a reason to make it not about me , and me simply having a hobby I enjoy now instead of smoking that he should respect especially since it keeps me from smoking, but about it being bad for the kids, for him, for whatever, so I needed to still stay away just like when I was smoking or else give up the vaping. He was happier when he had a clear evil to push me and guilt me about, the smoking, and that kept me from doing whatever, then he ever was after I quit smoking and with all the things I now 'could' do, like being inside.

I refused to pretend I wasn't a person who had a right to do something I enjoy if I want to, that wasn't about whether he approved of it or not, what his mind was made up about, and wasn't a danger to anyone else and hence I didn't need his approval to continue doing if I so wished. There is nothing wrong with compromise, quiting smoking was compromise, smoking outside was a compromise, insisting that I needed to quit vaping to or couldn't vape inside or where the kids could see it, was not about compromise, it was about control.

I hope your story ends better then mine did, but I think you need to find out why instead of being happy that you've finally quit, she feels the need to now harp on the vaping instead, as Renzo said, relate, ask, dig if you have to, and then you can both find a way to rebalance whatever the issue is, I made up my mind but won't actually research it is not a reason, its an excuse. I refused to be guilted by my vaping, and I'm not sorry I refused to, better to know then go another ten years only to find out when I stop vaping that the vaping was never the issue either. But two years later, we were headed for a divorce after 22 years of marriage because without that guilt, he couldn't make me feel no matter how much he tried to or push me back outside with or make me feel bad about because he made up his mind it was bad, or less then proud of the accomplishment, he was just never happy. He began looking for other things to pick at, one thing after another, looking for a new guilt stick. He was in all honesty happier when I was smoking for all his pushing about my needing to quit the more he came to realize he was never going to have that guilt stick again because I refused to take it, the more unhappy he became without the security of that guilt stick to hold over me.

Needless to say, I refuse to feel guilty for being me, or be molded, compromise is one thing, but when what your doing is not harming anyone else, and the other person makes up their mind and is not interested in learning more about that, which could help the situation and maybe ease any fears, sorry but thats not concern, or an attempt to help, or compromise, that my mind is made up so I can't be bothered. I'm right and thats all there is, is just another way of keeping control.

I didn't tell you this because I think thats definetly where your headed, I shared this because you have a chance to aviod heading there by taking Renzo's advice and not settling for my mind is made up but working to find out what her real fear is, so you can fix it together. I didn't have that option, I did try, but you can't force someone to try with you, it sounds like you have a better chance to rebalance the situation. She may be more willing to try once you get to the bottom of the issue. Just keep in mind, that you altering your life style even if its just by being inside for those ten minutes after dinner you were usually outside smoking, alters hers as well, and she may not even realize the change bothers her or that it is bothering her nevermind why it should, sometimes life is like that, but it is still a change she didn't create you did but now she has to live with unless she can find a way to maintian the status quo and the mind is a funny thing. Keeping you ashamed of vaping, like smoking, instead of reaping the rewards of quitting, and having to continue to hide from the kids, maintians the old status quo, you quit, but get no benifit from it, there is no change at all she need deal with, and she is still superior, because she just quit and doesn't vape.

Don't let her make you feel guilty or less then proud that you quit or force you to continue to hide. You've made a major accomplishment and you should be proud of it, there is no reason the kids shouldn't know it, and keep at it, for yourself, for the kids, if vaping helps you maintian that, then don't let anyone make you feel guilty about it simply because they've made up their mind without bothering to do the research, not even your spouse. Just knowing you can maintian that with or without anyones approval, is empowering in itself, if you can do that, you can get passed this bump over it to! Compromise if need be, but just maintiaing the status quo because she decided vaping is bad is not compromise, vaping is not smoking and not something you should need to feel guilty about.

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Maybe she does know it, maybe she doesn't. I haven't communicated about it, yet. There are more issues at play here, and I guess I'm not being completely fair by not telling the full story. My wife and I have been together for almost 19 years. We have two beautiful children, but we have been going through some tough times for about a year and a half now. We separated, then got back together, and we've been in therapy for many, many months. One of my issues is that she doesn't accept me as I am, for who I am. It's more about trying to mold me into what she wants me to be. Part of that was her desire for me to quit smoking. Of course, I never considered this a bad thing... it's only a bad thing because it was one of a few changes that were put to me as "conditions" of her love. This part I can't quite understand, as my love for her is boundless and not reliant on her changing anything about herself. Anyway... quitting smoking is just something I consider to be one of the best, if not the best, accomplishment I've had in quite some time. I suppose I just thought she'd be a bit happier about it. Maybe that was expecting too much.

Thank you for your response, and I'm sorry this made you sad. That was not my intention.
you didn't make me sad! circumstances. I'm sorry

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Well, since I'm not married, I can't relate to you and Ilyanna's problems with your spouses. I do have kids and I don't want to give them any ideas, so I vape discretely.
Looking at this from a different perspective, if it was my mom who quit smoking and went to vaping, I'd be doing CARTWHEELS! Switching her from smoking to vaping would be a huge victory in my eyes!
Maybe you can ask them how they would feel if their mom or dad had been smoking for 40 years and then switched to vaping. Would they be negative about that?? NOT IN A MILLION YEARS!
 

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You have been married for 19 years? How old are the kids? I'm thinking the "Don't let the children see you vaping" is just a ridiculous thing to say if the kids are in their teens. The kids know you smoke and it would be better to be honest with them. You smoke, it was a big mistake and a huge waste of money. Now you are quitting through vaping.

Now's the time to tell her how you feel. It hurts when you are being molded into something when you have an undeniable love for her and are a good person. Sure, we are all willing to work on a few flaws but, darn it, people are not clay to be molded.

Had to say it.

It's not a relationship unless you are relating:)

I actually think you should talk to her in your own way.

I feel that honesty [whilst keeping it nice] is the best policy.

By the way, I am very happy that you quit smoking by vaping. It is a huge accomplishment.

Thank you... We have been together for 19 years in September, married for 13 in August. Kids are 10 and 6. My ten year old is very intelligent and aware, and I have had many conversations with her about the ills of smoking. She is also old enough that she still has a few memories of her GrandMum, my Mum, who passed at 57 from smoking. She's smart enough to associate losing her GrandMum due to smoking, so that helps her have an understanding of the danger inherent in it. My 6 year old is a bit of a different story...
 

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Good Advice! And please join and support CASAA to fight against the misinformation, lies and efforts to ban/restrict vaping.
(and I completely understand how you feel and would feel the same way)

Here is some additional information which you can share with your wife:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/42094-electronic-cigarettes-safe.html

This letter to the FDA from Bill Godshaw (long time anti-smoking activists) has some very good information in it also:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on-food-drug-law-institute-conference-dc.html

Great stuff. Thanks!
 

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Ok, I'm officially impressed! Thank you!!!!

Anyone can make a party! Just click on the little yellow happy face when you are typing your post. ;) I'm glad you liked it.

My hubby and I have a saying that we stole from a South Park episode. "I do what I want". We say it a lot in a joking way but it helps us realize we are each an individual and sometimes we are not going to do what the other person thinks we should do. It helps us not control, but supprt and love for who we are. You guys can get through this if she is working at it too. Good luck!

Kids! Kids are super smart and will know what you are doing. Better a life lesson then a cover up. Years ago when my kids were little, I would hide my smoking in the garage. Then they associated the smell of cigerette smoke with garage. "Mom, that smells like garage".

How's the vaping going for you today? It's a lot different then smoking where you go outside to suck one down. Sometimes you may need to sit and vape for an hour or even chain vape all day long to get through a rough spot. Maybe you can print out some info from here for your wife to read so she has a better understanding of the device and how it works. Yesterday was one of those days for me. I had to vape my brains out as I stared at a 2 year old opened pack of stale cigarettes. Yes, I still have a pack. They are there if I need one. But I didn't need it.

Hang in there, we are glad you came here. Lots of cool people around that can talk about vapong or anything 24/7. (That should read "vaping" obviously. Vapong is a new game I just invented. It's like a drinking game for old people, but with vaping. And ping pong balls and a giant net, trivia questions and some cute hats.)

Edit: oops just read what you said about her reading more about these devices won't help. Closed minds are very difficult indeed. ;(
 
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Skypea...

Figured I'd answer directly, instead of quoting. Not sure why, but here goes...

You're so right about kids. One of the most tragic events of my life, and the one with the most far-reaching consequences, was my parents divorce when I was 9 years old. The most awful part for me at that tender age was the fact that they hid their unhappiness for years. All of a sudden my world blew up and we (my brothers and I) didn't understand why. I take that as a lesson in how I interact with my kids. Honesty is not the BEST policy for me, it is the ONLY policy! I talk with my kids about anything and everything. Some people say they're honest... ask anyone who knows me, it's to a fault. I refuse to lie. With the kids I will make things comfortable for them verbally, speak to them in a way I believe they can understand and won't be harmful to them, or give them too much information. I will never just outright lie, though. Can't do it.

I like that you and your husband have that saying:)
It must be nice to be in a relationship where you respect each others right to be an adult, and responsible for your own decisions. Good on ya!
Thanks for your thoughts.
 

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I like your new pretty rose avi. I almost didn't recognize you.

What? No quote? Well I can do that too. lol

It wasn't always that good, we work at it. Mmm I think it's been 3 months with no arguments. A record! lol

I'm sorry to hear about your parents and the rough time you went through. We all have our scars and I can relate to your world being blown apart. Turning that around into something positive for your kids is so commendable. You sound like a great Dad. Your kids are lucky to have someone like you!

I just hope you can continue vaping without too much negativity. Just wait, you will feel so much better as time goes by. It's almost been a week of vaping for you! We'll have to throw another box party to celebrate. ;) How's the vaping going for you today?
 

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I like your new pretty rose avi. I almost didn't recognize you.

What? No quote? Well I can do that too. lol

It wasn't always that good, we work at it. Mmm I think it's been 3 months with no arguments. A record! lol

I'm sorry to hear about your parents and the rough time you went through. We all have our scars and I can relate to your world being blown apart. Turning that around into something positive for your kids is so commendable. You sound like a great Dad. Your kids are lucky to have someone like you!

I just hope you can continue vaping without too much negativity. Just wait, you will feel so much better as time goes by. It's almost been a week of vaping for you! We'll have to throw another box party to celebrate. ;) How's the vaping going for you today?

Alright, now you've made me feel bad for not quoting... Just kidding!

Vaping is going great! I have found a flavor and brand that I think could be an all-day, every-day vape... Blue Honey from VapeDudes. Sadly, I have precious little of it left, and will have to wait until next weekend to order more, but the blue honey in my ProTank on my Vamo... Sweet!!!

Now for the bad news, and I hope that all of the nice folks who have helped me on this thread see this...

The confrontation with my wife that I knew was coming, arrived last night. The humiliation, rejection, and awkwardness that accompanied smoking has now crept into my vaping world! I have been banished from my home, under the premise of, "You can't prove to me that it isn't harmful so why take the chance?".

It isn't the worst thing in the world, I smoked for a very long time by going outside whenever I felt like a ..... It's just a bit frustrating because I honestly don't feel as though vaping is harmful, and I especially don't believe it to be harmful to anyone AROUND me. Sadly, no amount of reason, logic, or common sense could change this thought process in my significant other, and as they say... that's that.

I had been enjoying very much being able to vape and watch TV in my comfy chair after a long day... I thought of it as kind of my reward for quitting the awful habit of smoking. My wife, though, quite obviously equates the two activities and they are both awful and evil :(... After all, I'm still a lowly addict, right? Still no "Good Jobs"... Still no "Proud of ya"... My feeling so happy and proud of my accomplishment is beginning to fall back in to the rubble that is "marriage where no matter what you do... it's just never enough". If it wasn't for you fine people around here keeping my spirits up, I may have just given up, and thought, "Why bother? I might as well just start smoking again".

When you're on your 6th day smoke-free, and surrounded by stress and negativity, and barely holding on... it's good to have ECF!!!!
 

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I like your new pretty rose avi. I almost didn't recognize you.

What? No quote? Well I can do that too. lol

It wasn't always that good, we work at it. Mmm I think it's been 3 months with no arguments. A record! lol

I'm sorry to hear about your parents and the rough time you went through. We all have our scars and I can relate to your world being blown apart. Turning that around into something positive for your kids is so commendable. You sound like a great Dad. Your kids are lucky to have someone like you!

I just hope you can continue vaping without too much negativity. Just wait, you will feel so much better as time goes by. It's almost been a week of vaping for you! We'll have to throw another box party to celebrate. ;) How's the vaping going for you today?

Oh... and thanks for the comment on the rose avatar... I love roses, my beloved departed Mum loved roses, my oldest daughters middle name is Rose... you get it. I like roses!
 

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I am so sorry to hear about your confrontation with your wife, and so sorry you are banished from your own home. That really sucks. You are doing great and keep up the good work!! I have only been vaping for about a month now and I have not been able to completely kick the stinky's I still have one on my way to work in the morning :( but I am working hard on giving that up and becoming completely smoke free so anyone that has quit completely gets a big old CONGRATS!!

It is really crappy that your significant other isn't willing to educate herself and be supportive. As a mother myself I have 3 kids and was able to quit each time I was pregnant with them but as soon as they were here I lit up again and now discovering vaping I am able to almost quit and will quit very soon. I vape around my kids and they are aware of it all and they are all so happy that I have quit smelling like an ash tray so they fully support it. My significant other (who has never smoked) is supportive but doesn't get the whole addiction thing cause he's never experienced it.

Good Luck to you and keep up with the vaping you are doing a great job and whenever you feel bad just stop by ECF this really is such a great supportive community to help you through! :thumb:
 

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I am so sorry to hear about your confrontation with your wife, and so sorry you are banished from your own home. That really sucks. You are doing great and keep up the good work!! I have only been vaping for about a month now and I have not been able to completely kick the stinky's I still have one on my way to work in the morning :( but I am working hard on giving that up and becoming completely smoke free so anyone that has quit completely gets a big old CONGRATS!!

It is really crappy that your significant other isn't willing to educate herself and be supportive. As a mother myself I have 3 kids and was able to quit each time I was pregnant with them but as soon as they were here I lit up again and now discovering vaping I am able to almost quit and will quit very soon. I vape around my kids and they are aware of it all and they are all so happy that I have quit smelling like an ash tray so they fully support it. My significant other (who has never smoked) is supportive but doesn't get the whole addiction thing cause he's never experienced it.

Good Luck to you and keep up with the vaping you are doing a great job and whenever you feel bad just stop by ECF this really is such a great supportive community to help you through! :thumb:

Thanks Jessermay...

I was in the same boat with regards to hanging on to that last couple of cigarettes a day. For me the hardest ones to finally give up were the ones in the car, to and from work, and the one first thing in the morning and last thing at night. One day I just didn't do it... and then I realized I was a non-smoker, and I haven't looked back since. I know you'll drop those last bits of smoke when you're ready! Thanks for the words of encouragement. It's hard, but I'm staying strong and concentrating on what really matters!
 

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Not to get to personal, but did you mention earlier the two of you have been seeing a counselor? "IF" so, I would suggest bringing this up with the therapist. Print out the Caasa info and a couple of the valid research links that show there is no harm to anyone in the vapor. Take it with you and tell the therapist how you feel and that she is attempting to turn this into the same 'smoking' battle instead of cutting you some slack now and you feel like your basically just being punished because she won't even read this stuff and has just deemed it bad and that you must behave the same as if you were smoking, with the same guilt hanging over your head. Let the therapist know that you feel this is a bit unfair and would like to get to the bottom of it, there are a lot of things you can't prove definetly good or bad, we live with them everyday, but she needs to accept you for who you are. Good Luck!

P.S. Its your home too and a relationship depends on two adults relating equally, your just banished with no compromise, thats lopsided andnot relating equally, this is not a known health problem, its not the same as smoking.
 
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this is an old subject. my last two failed attempts at quitting, resulted in 0 support from friends and family:mad:. all i got was juvenile remarks and jokes. especially from so called friends who were smokers. the idea of an individual improving his/her self can be pretty offensive to our friends who are all too happy to judge. as are we. (lest we forget). i have stated this many times. forget friends, and family. your support group is right here, alongside the only people who can truly understand. others, especially non smokers, and smokers who lack the courage to make the attempt, just don't get it. they never will. try not to obsess about the lack of support from (one would think) the people who matter the most. obsess on your quitting program instead. don't let anyone try to derail your efforts because of what some old white paid entertainer told them on television:evil:. bottom line keep vaping, no backsliding. stay strong.
 

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Not to get to personal, but did you mention earlier the two of you have been seeing a counselor? "IF" so, I would suggest bringing this up with the therapist. Print out the Caasa info and a couple of the valid research links that show there is no harm to anyone in the vapor. Take it with you and tell the therapist how you feel and that she is attempting to turn this into the same 'smoking' battle instead of cutting you some slack now and you feel like your basically just being punished because she won't even read this stuff and has just deemed it bad and that you must behave the same as if you were smoking, with the same guilt hanging over your head. Let the therapist know that you feel this is a bit unfair and would like to get to the bottom of it, there are a lot of things you can't prove definetly good or bad, we live with them everyday, but she needs to accept you for who you are. Good Luck!

P.S. Its your home too and a relationship depends on two adults relating equally, your just banished with no compromise, thats lopsided andnot relating equally, this is not a known health problem, its not the same as smoking.

Yes, we are seeing a therapist. It's a bit of a weird circumstance, but we're seeing the same therapist, but separately. It's an insurance thing. We see the same guy, who works with us individually, in order to bring us to the middle so to speak. As for the bulk of the comment... the therapist has no issues with vaping. I vape in his office while we chat :)
 

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this is an old subject. my last two failed attempts at quitting, resulted in 0 support from friends and family:mad:. all i got was juvenile remarks and jokes. especially from so called friends who were smokers. the idea of an individual improving his/her self can be pretty offensive to our friends who are all too happy to judge. as are we. (lest we forget). i have stated this many times. forget friends, and family. your support group is right here, alongside the only people who can truly understand. others, especially non smokers, and smokers who lack the courage to make the attempt, just don't get it. they never will. try not to obsess about the lack of support from (one would think) the people who matter the most. obsess on your quitting program instead. don't let anyone try to derail your efforts because of what some old white paid entertainer told them on television:evil:. bottom line keep vaping, no backsliding. stay strong.

Thanks! I intend to stay strong. Nothing is going to get in the way of me getting healthier through vaping...
 
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