Congratulations on the success. I have been off cigarettes completely since Feb 20. I agree with a little education, and in my experience kids are going to model us no matter what we do. My 8 year old is interested in all my gear, but understands it will make him sick if he gets the liquid on him.
Has anyone experienced this????
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Congrats on your success also!
I suppose kids will display the natural curiosity of youth... It is our responsibility to ensure their safety. Good point Seven... Thanks!
That's awesome Skypea! What a great vid!
Being fairly new to the vaping world (about three weeks in now) this was my first exposure to GrimmGreen. Now I have to go check his site out. Thanks so much for sharing that!
He is good but Pete Busardo is my favorite. He's been doing awesome youtube reviews and has a website, tasteyourjuice with lots of good info. He has put out hundreds of great videos. He has tested tons of devices, nicotine, wicking times, all kinds of very useful stuff. While not really technical or useful, this is one of my all time favorites from a few years ago.
I finally had the time to sit down and read this whole thread. My mom was in the "glad you quit smoking but how long are you going to vape" camp. Not pushing, per se, more curious. She allows me to smoke in her house and car and concedes that it has to be a better alternative than going back to cigarettes. After a month, I think she's finally come to realize Buff has a new hobby 
I showed her some of the pictures from the "show us your girly, pretty decorated pink" thread. Her remark was, "you're not going to get carried away, are you?" ROFL
Anyway, good on ya Mjrhartley, for standing your ground. And I am SO stealing "It's not a relationship unless you are relating" from page 4 of this thread.
~Buff~
I showed her some of the pictures from the "show us your girly, pretty decorated pink" thread. Her remark was, "you're not going to get carried away, are you?" ROFLAnyway, good on ya Mjrhartley, for standing your ground. And I am SO stealing "It's not a relationship unless you are relating" from page 4 of this thread.
~Buff~
I finally had the time to sit down and read this whole thread. My mom was in the "glad you quit smoking but how long are you going to vape" camp. Not pushing, per se, more curious. She allows me to smoke in her house and car and concedes that it has to be a better alternative than going back to cigarettes. After a month, I think she's finally come to realize Buff has a new hobby
Anyway, good on ya Mjrhartley, for standing your ground. And I am SO stealing "It's not a relationship unless you are relating" from page 4 of this thread.
~Buff~
Thanks for taking the time to read through this, Buff. Thanks, also, for your thoughts. I'm glad you Mom came around (or is coming around). I have already co-opted the line from page 4... It's a great one, and true!
Mjrhartley, pat yourself on the back.
I have never smoked. My husband and Mother were heavy smokers. Last year late March my husband says he wants to quit and heard these ecig things work. We did the research together and bought a cig-a-like. He quit as soon as it arrived. Later we upped to a chinese mod and by November 2012 a Provari. I ordered a shiny Blue Smok Groove as a backup.
I have found out that I am pretty good at mixing ejuice. I have been DIYing for quite a bit now. I feel involved in his hobby and I think I am just as hooked mixing juices as he is vaping them! I also bought my Mother a mod and we made her a carto-tank setup. She has severely cut down her analog use and hopefully she will be free soon.
She did the math and wants to get a new car with her savings from not smoking.
I explained all the ingredients in the juice I make. Also decided to have her re-live memory lane. I told her remember way back when they used to spray PG down in hospitals prior to surgery? Its the same PG as in ejuice. They only stopped doing that because filters are less expensive than PG. PG is used in inhalers and medical devices to this day. VG is used in many products. The PG and VG used in Vaping is all USP grade.
There will always be a question about flavorings. I have questions about the flavorings used in Coke and Pepsi. I think you'll get more heavy metals and pollution from breathing the Cali air than you will in your ecig.
As for quitting, If he wants to quit its all up to him. I know he is going the more healthy route. I would be a little sad if he quits Vaping, I won't have a reason to keep mixing juices. I just know I dont have a charge each week from the tobacco shop and I dont have little bits of tobacco all over the floor from him packing his own analogs.
I have never smoked. My husband and Mother were heavy smokers. Last year late March my husband says he wants to quit and heard these ecig things work. We did the research together and bought a cig-a-like. He quit as soon as it arrived. Later we upped to a chinese mod and by November 2012 a Provari. I ordered a shiny Blue Smok Groove as a backup.
I have found out that I am pretty good at mixing ejuice. I have been DIYing for quite a bit now. I feel involved in his hobby and I think I am just as hooked mixing juices as he is vaping them! I also bought my Mother a mod and we made her a carto-tank setup. She has severely cut down her analog use and hopefully she will be free soon.
She did the math and wants to get a new car with her savings from not smoking.
I explained all the ingredients in the juice I make. Also decided to have her re-live memory lane. I told her remember way back when they used to spray PG down in hospitals prior to surgery? Its the same PG as in ejuice. They only stopped doing that because filters are less expensive than PG. PG is used in inhalers and medical devices to this day. VG is used in many products. The PG and VG used in Vaping is all USP grade.
There will always be a question about flavorings. I have questions about the flavorings used in Coke and Pepsi. I think you'll get more heavy metals and pollution from breathing the Cali air than you will in your ecig.
As for quitting, If he wants to quit its all up to him. I know he is going the more healthy route. I would be a little sad if he quits Vaping, I won't have a reason to keep mixing juices. I just know I dont have a charge each week from the tobacco shop and I dont have little bits of tobacco all over the floor from him packing his own analogs.
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I think it's time you turned the tables on her ... make her "PROVE" it's unhealthy and just as bad as cigarettes.
If she wants you to prove vaping is better, she needs to back up her end of the discussion.
She will have a lot more research to do than you will. There are no good reasons to smoke real cigarettes.
That's been proven.
You only have to research 4 ingredients PG, VP, Nicotine, and Flavorings.
PG ... PG is a germicide.
Used in ventilation systems of surgery rooms, and office buildings to prevent the spread of germs.
Is the basic ingredients in Sno-Cone, as it makes the flavoring "stick" to the ice.
Used in asthma inhalers, babyfood, pills, all kinds of food in the grocery store, in cosmetics like lipstick etc etc
Ever been to a disco, or concert with a "fog" machine ... vapor, duh, good'ol PG. all FDA approved.
VG ... Made from vegetables, it's in my kitchen and used in cooking,
Is a basis for "trail bars, health bars, etc
Nearly all wines have an appreciable amount of natural VG
Makes a great lotion for softer skin, which the body greedily sucks up.
Again is in most of our store bought food products.
Flavoring ... where do you NOT find it. Does she eat, drink soda, kool aid, juice ???
Nicotine ... Again, does she eat ?? ANYONE who consumes vegetables has nicotine in the system, even the children tested for it.
You can become pretty sick without nicotine in your system, as you body needs and uses it.
There is a long list of illnesses that it is prescribed for ... yes, also for people that don't smoke.
Everyone tests positive for nicotine in the blood and for its metabolites in the urine.
There has never been a large-scale clinical trial of nicotine where anyone tested negative for nicotine.
The last test by the CDC in the USA involved 800 subjects and all tested positive for nicotine at measurable levels, even where the subject was a non-smoker, had never smoked, and had no possible contact whatsoever with smokers.
Many vegetables contain nicotine, and also the co-located and similar compound nicotine acid (also known as vitamin B3 or niacin). Tomatoes, potatoes and several other vegetables all provide dietary nicotine.
Tea often contains nicotine, which after all is one of the reasons it works as a pick-me-up.
Some vegetables such as aubergine (eggplant) contain significant amounts of nicotine.
The key to all of this is to remove the smoke. Without the smoke in cigarettes, consumption of certain specific types of tobacco (and, especially, nicotine consumption alone) can be proven to be ultra low risk.
A large population of people consumed nicotine for decades with no visible health impact.
The issue is not debatable. The Swedish proved it.
Yes, smokers over-do it, but then the body adjusts to the higher levels, and isn't to happy when you try to cut back "cold turkey"
Double whammy .. physical and emotional.
Vaping helps with the "hand to mouth" while we gradually reduce (if we want too) the nicotine level
Since you've quit cigarettes, all the little cilia in your lungs and bronchial passages have become un-paralyzed, so they constantly shove anything your lung tissue doesn't like up your windpipe to the point where you either cough up the offending goop or swallow it.
You've done a healthy thing for yourself, and the people around you.
Make HER prove you didn't.
Like my dad used to say about people with her attitude ... "put up or shut up"
Congratulations on being right, doing right, showing your children a good example, and standing your ground because you know your right.
Since light travels faster than sound, some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
If she wants you to prove vaping is better, she needs to back up her end of the discussion.
She will have a lot more research to do than you will. There are no good reasons to smoke real cigarettes.
That's been proven.
You only have to research 4 ingredients PG, VP, Nicotine, and Flavorings.
PG ... PG is a germicide.
Used in ventilation systems of surgery rooms, and office buildings to prevent the spread of germs.
Is the basic ingredients in Sno-Cone, as it makes the flavoring "stick" to the ice.
Used in asthma inhalers, babyfood, pills, all kinds of food in the grocery store, in cosmetics like lipstick etc etc
Ever been to a disco, or concert with a "fog" machine ... vapor, duh, good'ol PG. all FDA approved.
VG ... Made from vegetables, it's in my kitchen and used in cooking,
Is a basis for "trail bars, health bars, etc
Nearly all wines have an appreciable amount of natural VG
Makes a great lotion for softer skin, which the body greedily sucks up.
Again is in most of our store bought food products.
Flavoring ... where do you NOT find it. Does she eat, drink soda, kool aid, juice ???
Nicotine ... Again, does she eat ?? ANYONE who consumes vegetables has nicotine in the system, even the children tested for it.
You can become pretty sick without nicotine in your system, as you body needs and uses it.
There is a long list of illnesses that it is prescribed for ... yes, also for people that don't smoke.
Everyone tests positive for nicotine in the blood and for its metabolites in the urine.
There has never been a large-scale clinical trial of nicotine where anyone tested negative for nicotine.
The last test by the CDC in the USA involved 800 subjects and all tested positive for nicotine at measurable levels, even where the subject was a non-smoker, had never smoked, and had no possible contact whatsoever with smokers.
Many vegetables contain nicotine, and also the co-located and similar compound nicotine acid (also known as vitamin B3 or niacin). Tomatoes, potatoes and several other vegetables all provide dietary nicotine.
Tea often contains nicotine, which after all is one of the reasons it works as a pick-me-up.
Some vegetables such as aubergine (eggplant) contain significant amounts of nicotine.
The key to all of this is to remove the smoke. Without the smoke in cigarettes, consumption of certain specific types of tobacco (and, especially, nicotine consumption alone) can be proven to be ultra low risk.
A large population of people consumed nicotine for decades with no visible health impact.
The issue is not debatable. The Swedish proved it.
Yes, smokers over-do it, but then the body adjusts to the higher levels, and isn't to happy when you try to cut back "cold turkey"
Double whammy .. physical and emotional.
Vaping helps with the "hand to mouth" while we gradually reduce (if we want too) the nicotine level
Since you've quit cigarettes, all the little cilia in your lungs and bronchial passages have become un-paralyzed, so they constantly shove anything your lung tissue doesn't like up your windpipe to the point where you either cough up the offending goop or swallow it.
You've done a healthy thing for yourself, and the people around you.
Make HER prove you didn't.
Like my dad used to say about people with her attitude ... "put up or shut up"
Congratulations on being right, doing right, showing your children a good example, and standing your ground because you know your right.
Since light travels faster than sound, some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
My wife on occasion gives me grief about being addicted. That is why all males were blessed with the selective hearing gene
. I stopped because of my kids. I vape around them and it does concern me of what they see in their eyes. When they are old enough I will talk to them about it just as if I was a non smoker, that bridge is far away. The pros so outweigh the cons that it is not a matter of dispute. In the end your wife is just caring which sometimes can be felt as nagging. Like Yzer said that this is a stepping stone to possible quitting nicotine altogether. 99 problems but smoking isn't one of them!LOL I did exactly that slots, it frustrated my ex, he wouldn't admit it wasn't an issue of course, but the end result was that he moved on to trying to find other reasons why I was baaddddd.... lol Yeah well Hotpocket, its not just wifes who behave so..
I concur
. I made my man cave/doghouse super comfortable when things aren't being seen eye to eye
Also if you look at the ingredients on the packages of flavor extracts, you'll find propylene glycol as one of the ingredients since its a solvent which helps the flavor stick and is non hazardous or GRAS(generally recognized as safe) and is used in more things then you'd know that we ingest/apply to our skin
also a nifty little pdf on the germicidal effects of vaporized propylene glycol that was done by the university of chicago in 1947.
As you said earlier, she might not care, but i think you might be interested. At least I found it interesting and insightful
I just had something similar happen. A close friend, who might I add smokes 2 packs a day and won't even look at an e-cig, just got on the high horse, and told me I hadn't stopped smoking, and that because the flavors sound like candy my kids were going to get into them... Like I would let that happen, of course I talked to my kids about it.... No I don't smoke anymore. I truly feel they are better for you than cigarettes, because I feel better. Maybe they will find they cause cancer as well someday, maybe she is right about that, but nothing, nothing I could say will change her mind that it is no different than smoking, so that is not a discussion I will have with her again, ever..... To each his own... I started at 18 mg, and I am now down to 3 to 6 mg, but I feel good at that, and I may or may not go lower in the future... Like you I tried to stop over and over, and I thought people would be happy, but some will still see it as smoking.... Vape on and show them, you are just as healthy as a non smoker, that's my plan anyway!!!
After just now reading this whole thread, I kept thinking..why hasn't anyone mentioned what all is in Vaping?/ FINALLY got to the last few posts and a couple have mentioned it. She keeps saying how she doesn't know how this will effect the kids...she's already doing it herself! Of the 4 ingredients that are in Vaping, I can pretty much guarantee your children have already, for most of their lives, been consuming/been around three of those ingredients. What's in my sons Asthma inhalers, is what's in this. Heck, they even give the PG to cattle to keep them from getting some type of sickness..has she never fed your kids Beef? Seriously..take a look around her kitchen cabinets and in your bathroom..pull out everything that has PG/VG listed on them,,,then stack them all up on the counter and ask her what the hell has she been doing to your children all these years! LOL..Ok..that may be a bit over the top and just asking for a huge fight...but really..next time you are with her while shopping..I personally would look at everything she buys and point out every time something has PG/VG in it. Her Make up will have it in it, shampoos..ask her if she's ready to quit spending money on all those items that she likes to buy because you're not for sure if its safe for her to be using around the kids.
OK..Can you tell that I'm kind of tick off for you? I would never consider doing what she's doing to you, to my husband. Its just wrong on so many levels.
I really hope that you don't let her bring you down and go back to smoking...its just so not worth it! From reading your replies, it looks like you've already made up your mind that nothing is going to take you back to your smoking days...and that is so great to read!!
I'm PROUD of you!!!!!
OK..Can you tell that I'm kind of tick off for you? I would never consider doing what she's doing to you, to my husband. Its just wrong on so many levels.
I really hope that you don't let her bring you down and go back to smoking...its just so not worth it! From reading your replies, it looks like you've already made up your mind that nothing is going to take you back to your smoking days...and that is so great to read!!
I'm PROUD of you!!!!!
My wife has been nothing but supportive since I made the switch. We've been married for 34 years and she's never known me as a non-smoker. She's never really nagged me about it, but from time to time would ask me when I was going to quit. One day, a couple of months ago, I came home with a starter kit and explained to her what it was and she was concerned about the safety of vaping, so I told her I'd been reading for a couple of years and it was indeed considered to be safer than smoking by orders of magnitude. While she never high-fived me or threw a party in my honor, she seems very happy I've made the switch.
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