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Kattdaddy

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That FDA approved NRT programs whether prescribed or not have started boosting their advertisments, Lately.
I have noticed a lot more quit smoking commercials that support the patch, zyban, ......, hymnotism, nicotine gum, Chantix,etc.
Sounds to me like the government is trying to play hard ball and broaden the sources that seek the approval of the FDA. I am sick and tired of this crap trying to bring us down and take away our right to use a product that actually works at a better rate. The patch has a 7 to 15% success rate whereas the e-cig has an 88% success rate. I have conducted a study( part of that study was on this site where I asked questions in the frequency of vaping thread) that encompassed over 25,000 vapers, 42,000 smokers, and a control group of 12,000 non-smokers /17,000 previous smokers that quit. (numbers rounded to simplify)
After conducting this study and building my report:
I have found that 37% of vapers quit analogs the day they started vaping, 62% quit analogs within three months or less of starting vaping, and all combined detail gives an 88% success rate for smokers transitioning to a healthier choice. By the way, out of the 25,416 vapers that participated in this study... 7,241 have reduced their nicotine levels to zero and continue to vape flavors. 12, 578 vape 11mg/ml or less and stated that they are continuing to reduce their intake but do not plan to quit nicotine all together. 5,597 stated they just started vaping and plan to stay between 36 to 24 mg/ml for the first six months to ensure they stay away from the analogs.
What I didn't tell you on the site when I asked questions in the frequency of vaping thread is that I was part of variable studies. In support of vaping .. These studies gathered figures on the patch, nicotine gum, chantix, zyban, and hypnotism.
I am not going to list all the figures for these studies but I will say that hypnotism id the only section that busted the 30% mark for a success rate. These margins are substantially appropriate for me to claim that if research backs up long term effects in health for e-cig users.. Then, the vaping community is likely to grow eminsely over the next five years and of course, the success rate will rise along with its growth. Right now, I have only collected data in my study for a little over 25,000 vapers... and with the success rate sitting at 88% among this study, this rate can only change by a margin of 12 to 15% , and if I might add.. blows any FDA approved NRT out of the water. It would continue to do so even if the rate were only 20%.. but I can tell you that there is noty a chance in hell that we will ever loose this fight with the FDA because :
1: Vaping is a healthier choice and I would like to hear from anybody that can prove different.

2: More smokers are likely to start and stay vaping.

3: Outside of the people who desire to collect, Vaping is less expensive that the market price for a pack/carton of cigarettes. ( At this time, but may change if the FDA gets their grubs on the market. They will probably drive up the cost on the e-cig hardware and e-liquids.)

There is a lot more data that I have collected but for now.. I would like to keep this data impertinant to the public. Less ammo for the FDA to try to use should I make it known and I am in cohoots with a Board of Lawyers and health professionals, along with various pertinant parties for our cause. They have decided to use my labor and reported outcome, as an opportunity to support the e-cig community should the FDA throw a red light in our direction.

I would like to take this time to show my appreciation to all of you who took part in my study on this site and I would also like to give a shout out to all the moderators, commitee members, and Smokey Joe for all the support.
Thanks Once Again,
Tom
 

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That FDA approved NRT programs whether prescribed or not have started boosting their advertisments, Lately.
I have noticed a lot more quit smoking commercials that support the patch, zyban, ......, hymnotism, nicotine gum, Chantix,etc.
Sounds to me like the government is trying to play hard ball and broaden the sources that seek the approval of the FDA. ...........I have conducted a study( part of that study was on this site where I asked questions in the frequency of vaping thread) that encompassed over 25,000 vapers, 42,000 smokers, and a control group of 12,000 non-smokers /17,000 previous smokers that quit. (numbers rounded to simplify)........

....... I would like to take this time to show my appreciation to all of you who took part in my study on this site and I would also like to give a shout out to all the moderators, commitee members, and Smokey Joe for all the support.
Thanks Once Again,
Tom

WOW TOM !! --- That's just what I've been keeping an earnest eye out for!

NO NO -sorry... Actually!!!... it's a whole lot more!!

Outstanding !!

Let me be the First to congratulate you!

Congratulations !!!

Thank You !!

fisch
 
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Shortstuff116

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Interesting. I appreciate the time and effort you've put into your "studies" and the numbers are obviously surprising to say the least. The unfortunate part is that no matter how many studies are conducted, no matter how many factual and accurate surveys, analysis, chemical & clinical tests and trials, etc., there are always going to be not only the proverbial skeptics but those two hemorrhoids that we are all too familiar with - money & politics.

Those with the money and who are in the path of losing money to the sale of electronic cigarettes are going to do everything in their power to either eliminate the threat or gain absolute control over it. Personally I believe the latter of the two, and in short time will price it equal to the current price of tobacco use for each and every consumer in the market. It's purely a matter of economics and profits and a whole lot of lobbying in between.

Myself, I'm not the least bit worried about my future with PV's in that the technology is simple enough to allow individuals to literally make his or her own device(s) and juices and allow us to keep the disgusting tobacco products out of our lives. I don't care if they make the possession and use of my PV components illegal, they can go to hell for all I care as I will always enjoy a healthier life with or without their "permission".

And yes, I actually saw a commercial on TV just last night on the nicotine gum for the very first time. Your numbers along with many other facts that will be difficult at best for anyone to dispute are going to continue to come to light and provide an interesting and soon very public battle for all those involved. I don't think this new market of electronic cigarettes are going to be easy to "sweep under the rug" as so many things often are, but as I said, those two hemorrhoids of politics & money are already coming into play and will ultimately decide the end results.

You know, I recently discovered a device which has literally saved my life in many, many ways and the bad part is that there are those in power who I know are already going to do everything they can to try and stop me from using it.

Gotta love it!

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Kattdaddy

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Hey, doesn't anyone remember? They (FDA) just got a $100,000,000 Federal (I think maybe our money???) disbursement for NRT advertising this spring.
Sure hope they're are getting our money's worth!

And that is one of the things that really ruffles my feathers.... All that money could have been used in a better method to conduct research rather than advertise a product that doesn't stand the chance to really work effectively. I have tried quitting on the patch, chantix, zyban and the gum over the years and nothing worked... but I have been cig free since day one of vaping and will never go back. These government B$^$$^ need to learn to keep their nose out of our business!!!
 

Kattdaddy

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well! ---I'm a bit surprised, but we can certainly tell who the wee-hour
red-eye board elves are around here....can't we!!?;)

Definately a night owl here!!! Lol... I usually only get three or four hours of sleep anyway.. This forum keeps me entertained..LOL
 

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True. Had an interesting talk with the maker of Premier cigs tonight. For those too young to remember, they came out in between the years of 1986-early 1989. He was an engineer that worked on these things for quite some time. Knows all about the processes etc. RJR gave his company an annual budget of 1 BILLION dollars to develop the smokeless cig. SSI technologies based out of Janesville, WI. I showed him my 510 tonight at a family Christmas party and he was impressed. His main area of expertise was the charcoal element that heated up PG and tobacco at the same time. Anyway, getting off topic.

What killed his business and contract was the fact that the FDA classified it as a drug delivery devise. Patches were by script only then and so was the gum. Things are obviously different now, but we face the same stigma. A drug delivery devise. Just some food for thought.
 

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Interesting numbers, but like Marlbuzz said, has it been published? Peer-review publication is the only thing that counts. Numbers without information about methodology, statistical methods, etc, is pretty much just noise. Not trying to bust your balls or anything, I just really, REALLY want a study like this to be done, but done RIGHT.
 

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Could you imagine if they actually banned nic juice for sale? I mean the neighborhood dealer would be hustling you like "Hey you, I got what you need, I got it, You need that nicotine dont ya... well I got ya covered!" As soon as you pay the guy the undercover cops bust you and all you can say is "I NEEDED THE NICOTINE" In a shaky trembling nicotine withdraw ridden voice. LMAO that will be the day :)
 

leeshor

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This is normal, they alway advertising heavy during this time of year.

I wouldn't be surprised if Smoke Assassin upped their ads as well.

Yep, far as I can tell it started up first thing this morning on Atlanta Talk radio. Heard their ad 3 times while out this morning.

BTW: They want to give me one, yea -- right!
 
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