Has VG Disabled my vapor?!

[untar]

He's talking about mechs though, not regulated/unregulated electronic mods.
He literally says

I have not heard of any horror stories where somebody has a regulated mod that has blown up in their face

seems like a bad source for your claim.

You are correct though that even in electronic devices you have to check that your wraps are intact and the battery could indeed short if they're damaged.

But it's not like internal battery mods have no drawback, you can't switch it off completely (obviously battery always stays inside), you can only charge via usb, you cannot check if the battery has inflated, you have to 100% trust the circuit design (which not all manufacturers get right, even not in <current year>).
I'd recommend an istick pico over a smok stick any day.

 

[Lode]

You are correct though that even in electronic devices you have to check that your wraps are intact and the battery could indeed short if they're damaged.

But it's not like internal battery mods have no drawback, you can't switch it off completely (obviously battery always stays inside), you can only charge via usb, you cannot check if the battery has inflated, you have to 100% trust the circuit design (which not all manufacturers get right, even not in <current year>).

Usually one can turn off the internal battery devices with some clicks on the firing button. In the devices I've had so far it was 5 clicks.

I trust the current well known brands making devices with internal batteries completely. Just like I trust the well known brands of cars and airplanes. (Even though accidents do happen with them, even due to mechanical failures sometimes.)

 

[untar]

Usually one can turn off the internal battery devices with some clicks on the firing button

The device isn't completely turned off and still consumes battery charge. If it was 100% off then you wouldn't be able to turn it on again

I trust the current well known brands making devices with internal batteries completely.

That trust is misplaced, even a higher end manufacturer recently failed to prevent a device from self-overdischarge (resulting in a damaged LiPo fresh out of the box), and as I pointed out earlier most accidents seem to happen with cheaper internal battery devices.
I much more trust a company making a dedicated charger than a company buying the cheapest charging board on the Chinese market and cramming it in their mod.

 

[Lode]

Dear untar,

I would never get in a car let alone board a plane if I were you...

Just kiddin'...

But what goes for vaping devices with internal and loose batteries goes also for all other devices that run on batteries. Or do you take the battery out of you smartphone when you are not using it.
(I don't have one, but am not completely unfamiliar with them. I do have a wireless house phone with build-in rechargeable battery and used to use a mobile phone years ago. But now just that home phone and my laptop (with Skype and email automatically checking for new mail every 5 minutes when my laptop is on) is enough for me. No need to be constantly connected to the Internet or family, friends and acquaintances even on the street or road. Gimmie me a break, please... .

 

[stols001]

Um to the OP, nic salts may be your best bet, the issue may wind up being getting the ratio you need for 6 mg in nic salts, especially with a 50/50 juice, but you can certainly research and look around if you want. Some folks feel that some flavors can be harsh and give more throat hit too, like citruses, cinnamon, menthol, etc.

You may want do like a "mini DIY" where you get unflavored juice in the ratio you want, and you can buy wholesale nic salts in a 50/50 base usually, too, and add the nicotine to your premade juice. At 6 mg/ml I don't believe there would be that much flavor dilution. I'm going to say its your best bet, unless you want to change devices, which it doesn't sound like you wish to do,.

Some DIY vendors will sell a sample of nicotine for the cost of shipping, so there may be an inexpensive way for you to find out if nic salts will work for you (depending on your location of course).

The claim that nic salts are absorbed faster is unsubstantiated and I'm not quite sure where it originated from, other than perhaps folks using oh, 59 mg/ml nic salts (there are devices and salt juices that offer that sort of option) and I could see that RATIO of nic salts FEELING like it is absorbed more quickly, even if it's merely a higher strength.

I got into nic salts because I didn't want ANY throat hit, my entire respiratory system was shot when I got here. I get 0 throat hit from nic salts, so it's worth exploring.

If you do want a higher VG device there are several, even pods and AOI that are capable of supporting that, if you decide a higher VG ratio is the way to go, for you.

Good luck,

Anna

 

[HauntedMyst]

To answer your question, yes, the VG can be too thick for your device. You can buy some PG and thin it or just use water.

 

[Baditude]

But it's not like internal battery mods have no drawback, you can't switch it off completely (obviously battery always stays inside), you can only charge via usb, you cannot check if the battery has inflated, you have to 100% trust the circuit design (which not all manufacturers get right, even not in <current year>).
I'd recommend an istick pico over a smok stick any day.

Should have also added that LiPo batteries (internal battery mods) use a more volatile (as in more likely to result in flames and explosions) battery chemistry than external batteries ("safer" hybrid chemistry). When LiPo's fail, they fail quite spectacularly. Of all the lithium ion battery types, LiPo's are potentially the most dangerous to cause bodily harm or property damage.


SMOK internal battery mod (LiPo) explodes into a huge fireball while charging on the kitchen counter.

 

[tara81]

Batitude is showing a video of a smok product . Smok is known for making items cheaply. It was also charging , not being used. I also think this smok product doesn't even have venting holes.

 

[Baditude]

Batitude is showing a video of a smok product . Smok is known for making items cheaply. It was also charging , not being used. I also think this smok product doesn't even have venting holes.

I agree with all of your points.

My point was to counter someone's previous statement implying that using a regulated mod with an internal battery is somehow safer than using a regulated mod that uses external batteries. That is not true. Both types are dangerous, LiPo's argueably more dangerous simply because of their chemistry.

 

[Lode]

So it looks like using LiPo batteries used in mechanical mods with no regulating protection circuits needs a sign for the inexperienced:

As far as regulated devices go, it seems like boarding an air plane. Yes, accidents do happen. But the odds are very slim yours will crash. Not enough not to board that plane or worry about it. Better -more fun- to just enjoy the flight.

The reverse is making plans for what you are going to do with all that money when you win the Jackpot in a lottery...

 

[stols001]

Oh I worry a great deal about airplane flights, and I understand how the physics work and all, but it just makes no sense to me that an object that large should be suspended in the air, and yes, I took my kiddo to the Air and Space museum all the time.

With that said, I did have one friend drop me to the airport once, and she was an even worse driver than me, that's hard to do. When I got out my parting words were "Thank you, Myfriend, this is the first time that I was driving to the airport and actually thinking, "It is true that driving to the airport is like, scarier and more deathly, overall, than the flight itself."

Fortunately she had a good sense of humor. But here's the thing, airliners are required to have a certain amount of maintenance, and there are far more regulations about WHO CAN FLY them. The majority of deaths are from small private plane crashes, because they don't get the same level of attention.

So, while it is true that it is sort of uncommon for batteries to blow up, you still have to be your best battery engineer and your best vaping pilot and do routine maintenance and know the risks.

OTHERWISE, you turn into more of a battery DRIVER, and nobody wants that. It doesn't take away my enjoyment of vaping to handle batteries safely.

Oh, also I had to talk myself out of thinking about winning the lottery there was a time in my life where I fantasized about it almost daily (even though I never bought tickets because my brother told me it was a "tax on stupidity" and I couldn't argue). The more I imagined winning the more dissatisfied I was with my lot, and comparatively, well, my Lot was Just Fine, and I was only making myself miserable.

Also, as a rule, lottery winners tend to say it was one of the worst things to ever happen to them, they all get divorced, and most of them like, spend their winnings in less time than you'd think. I am AFRAID of winning the lottery these days, although maybe it would make some stuff easier. Oh yea, we all SAY it will be different, but it doesn't seem to be, very often. So if I see the husband with a ticket, I automatically put some spiritual "blight" on it. SO far that has worked, but I will not deny that the "odds" are also probably working in my favor, etc. LOL.

Anna

 

[Baditude]

So it looks like using LiPo batteries used in mechanical mods with no regulating protection circuits needs a sign for the inexperienced:

I've never seen a mechanical mod that used a Lipo battery. Only an idiot would do that and it would be insanely dangerous.

 

[Lode]

Good to know Baditude. Thank you.

 

[Lode]

Hi dear Anna,

I much enjoyed reading your post.

I believe we are not really these humans. This is just our disguise. From experiences I learned for example that when our bodies sleep, as consciousness -spirit- we are in another realm. There we exchange information about what we did the day before while "down there in those biological robots" and what we will do the next day when we are back in those virtual reality suits.
We plan it all, all in cooperation with our Source Self. The plan being that what we enjoy "there" be extended to the souls of the humans we seem to be here.

In that state we have the greatest respect and love for each other and ourselves, because we know that compared to our infinitely great happiness we enjoy "there" experiencing being but a human in this world is like spiritually being tortured to death. Yet we came here anyway, so also the human souls would know and enjoy that Who they really are has and is infinitely great courageous, wise, creative pure altruistic Charity.

We also knew that this would be completely forgotten in this dream like Matrix world, and that it would be considered completely nuts if someone would even bring it up. That we would accuse and even hate ourselves and each other for all the imperfect things we would seem to be doing as mere humans, so that it would be hell for us here, until also here we would begin to remember how things really are, and Who we are in truth.

This has been symbolized by stories about someone who lived in a paradise like garden and palace with his father, but who gave that all up to go to the world of human suffering, undergoing the worst imaginable nightmare -Maya- until he would wake up coming to true self-recognition -enlightenment- to then free humanity from its suffering due to ignorance of who they really are. That is the story of Siddhartha Gautama who turned into the Buddha, the Enlightened One.

Same as the story of God taking on the human appearance, knowing beforehand that compared to His original happiness He would undergo being tortured to death, missing being Himself terribly, even crying out "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?" while experiencing being nailed to the merely human nature and experience.
All to come to His life and Self again when His joy would also be in the humans, by resurrecting in them so also they would know and enjoy what God enjoys, as they would know it is God experiencing being them, thus having given Himself -His Self- to them completely.
That is the story of Jesus, the anointed Savior. Anointed by His own divine grace on Himself.

It's all playing out now. Those stories are allegories who point to Who we really are. Our true Identity is the Savior who has saved us from who we but seem to be. Time only exists to give us time to come to that divine Self-realization. Meaning that God would have time in this world to come to His Self-consciousness in us, all entirely to our benefit.

We are the One as Who we have given our Life for the humans we experience being here... to have it again when also they would have it.

Our soul becomes the Mother of God when we accept this as true. Immaculate in the sense of not accepting merely human concepts which would contaminate this pure divine Self-consciousness.

Much Love indeed.

 

[Pete M]

Hi dear Anna,

I much enjoyed reading your post.

I believe we are not really these humans. This is just our disguise. From experiences I learned for example that when our bodies sleep, as consciousness -spirit- we are in another realm. There we exchange information about what we did the day before while "down there in those biological robots" and what we will do the next day when we are back in those virtual reality suits.
We plan it all, all in cooperation with our Source Self. The plan being that what we enjoy "there" be extended to the souls of the humans we seem to be here.

In that state we have the greatest respect and love for each other and ourselves, because we know that compared to our infinitely great happiness we enjoy "there" experiencing being but a human in this world is like spiritually being tortured to death. Yet we came here anyway, so also the human souls would know and enjoy that Who they really are has and is infinitely great courageous, wise, creative pure altruistic Charity.

We also knew that this would be completely forgotten in this dream like Matrix world, and that it would be considered completely nuts if someone would even bring it up. That we would accuse and even hate ourselves and each other for all the imperfect things we would seem to be doing as mere humans, so that it would be hell for us here, until also here we would begin to remember how things really are, and Who we are in truth.

This has been symbolized by stories about someone who lived in a paradise like garden and palace with his father, but who gave that all up to go to the world of human suffering, undergoing the worst imaginable nightmare -Maya- until he would wake up coming to true self-recognition -enlightenment- to then free humanity from its suffering due to ignorance of who they really are. That is the story of Siddhartha Gautama who turned into the Buddha, the Enlightened One.

Same as the story of God taking on the human appearance, knowing beforehand that compared to His original happiness He would undergo being tortured to death, missing being Himself terribly, even crying out "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?" while experiencing being nailed to the merely human nature and experience.
All to come to His life and Self again when His joy would also be in the humans, by resurrecting in them so also they would know and enjoy what God enjoys, as they would know it is God experiencing being them, thus having given Himself -His Self- to them completely.
That is the story of Jesus, the anointed Savior. Anointed by His own divine grace on Himself.

It's all playing out now. Those stories are allegories who point to Who we really are. Our true Identity is the Savior who has saved us from who we but seem to be. Time only exists to give us time to come to that divine Self-realization. Meaning that God would have time in this world to come to His Self-consciousness in us, all entirely to our benefit.

We are the One as Who we have given our Life for the humans we experience being here... to have it again when also they would have it.

Our soul becomes the Mother of God when we accept this as true. Immaculate in the sense of not accepting merely human concepts which would contaminate this pure divine Self-consciousness.

Much Love indeed.

Dude, what liquid do you use?

 

[Layzee Vaper]

O/P you could try adding a small amount of water to your VG heavy juice (about 5%) this should thin it enough for it to wick properly on your existing set up.

With regard to battery failures, it's important to remember that they are very rare. Millions of us use these devices every day with no problem whatsoever. Some use internal batteries, some replaceable, some regulated, some mech. From a safety perspective they all have their pro's and cons.

The media do a very good job of sensationalising any failures, they often don't even say the type of mod or the experience level of the user. Luckily forums like ECF are pretty good at promoting good practise and highlighting any individual mod specific problems.

In real terms smoking is still a much greater fire risk, yet 1000;s of fires every year, directly attributable to smoking largely go unreported......

 

[stols001]

Our soul becomes the Mother of God when we accept this as true. Immaculate in the sense of not accepting merely human concepts which would contaminate this pure divine Self-consciousness.

Much Love indeed.

Unless this is an example of how I sometimes stray way off topic I don't quite get it, but I'm glad you found a cosmology that "works" for you. I mean, who am I to judge another person's cosmology but other than that.... ???

Unless Google translate did something REALLY awesome, in which case, thank you Google and I don't say that much.

Anna

 

[Lode]

Unless our moral conscience would be so completely suppressed to the point we pay it no attention, when we do pay attention to it we see it functions like a compass always pointing us in the direction of how our true Self is: What we morally dislike, we are dislike, dislike meaning unlike. And what we morally like, is what we are like.

Is it not true that strictly speaking you only morally approve of honesty, courage, wisdom, creativity, and unselfish love and disinterested charity?
And that you morally disapprove of everything that is contrary to those virtues?

It is the conscience your highest moral Ideal has as you. And that moral Ideal has been named "God."
That Ideal is your real will and desire, not the human will and its desires. And it is God having your real will and desire as you.

 

[Pete M]

Unless our moral conscience would be completely suppressed, it functions like a compass always pointing us in the direction of how our true Self is: What we morally dislike, we are dislike, dislike meaning unlike. And what we morally like, is what we are like.

Is it not true that strictly speaking you only morally approve of honesty, courage, wisdom, creativity, and unselfish love and disinterested charity?
And that you morally disapprove of everything that is contrary to those virtues?

It is the conscience your highest moral ideal has as you. And that moral ideal has been named "God."

I think this is the wrong forum, this should be under APV and Mods Discussion

 

[Nermal]

I think this is the wrong forum, this should be under APV and Mods Discussion

Yeah. Maybe