hcigar nemesis vs magneto???

[MattMann228]

Which hits harder?

 

[csantiago1911]

Nemesis.

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[SpookyDriver]

I have both and prefer the Nemesis. I use them both with Kick2's, though. Never tried them "naked".

 

[MattMann228]

I only have the magneto but wanting to get a nemesis. The mag is my first and only mech and I am trying to figure out what my next purchase will be. Lol.

 

[Mikey6]

I have both and I think the neme hits way harder on both my kraken and igo-w. Might be a mental thing but I don't know.

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[crxess]

V-drop on any mod depends on several tings.
Materials used
Machining Accuracy
Cleaning preparation before use
Maintenance

Battery Tubes don't Hit, they Deliver current to the topper of choice. Getting that Topper to Hit is where the Magic happens.

 

[Pegasus1337]

Which hits harder?

nothing against you Matt, I'm just heavily against the term "hits harder"

have you ever noticed that in all youtube reviews or conversations people always say something hits hard?
no one ever says the opposite? hits like a princess, hits like a poodle? they always say hits like a train or truck?
and when they say hits "harder" they never bother to mention as opposed to what?
Like you won't hear someone say a caravella hits harder than a turtleship regardless if its true or not because while you praise one item you don't want to step on the toes of another item especially if there is any proud owners of a turtleship in the room.

Anyhow, 2 things:
#1 I think the question should be, which one has better conductivity. Then obviously all you would need to do is look over the materials of the firing pins and the body material that completes the circuit. Often times the brass version of any mod "hits harder" is simply because the brass body is more conductive than stainless steel material.
We know that the order of these metals is: (reference: Electrical Conductivity of Materials)
Silver
Copper
Aluminum
Brass
Stainless

So if a company were to release a copper mod, it would..........you know "hit harder" than say a brass or anything lower.

#2 Does it matter which one hits harder? or is this all a semi illusion when it comes to vaping? Hear me out on this.
If we used a kick in a mech mod which MANY of us do. does conductivity matter to the point where you will taste/feel it?
The kick is simulating X watts regardless of various parameters and even if it is off a bit you can crank the kick.
So for this coil and mod I would kick it at 8 watts but for this other coil and mod I would kick at 9 watts.

Ok fine lets NOT use a kick. So mod A is more conductive than mod B, But wouldn't we just build our coil a little hotter?
Perhaps less wraps? thicker gauge? Twisted coils? to achieve roughly the same output?
So therefore any mod out there, if theres a little more voltage drop. couldn't we just compensate for that with the build?

This is why I tell people, So what if your mod is copper pins, brass pins, stainless pins and not silver.
There are so many variables in vaping that you can "tweak" different juice strengths, different gauge wire, different wicks, different build setups, different devices. You can always compensate and tweak a satisfying vape.


Final thoughts: Buy the one you like with the features you really need. Don't lose sleep over the smaller things.
"hitting hard" is a relative term. No one ever goes into an Auto parts store and asks which jumper cables hit harder.

 

[Keynith]

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nothing against you Matt, I'm just heavily against the term "hits harder"

have you ever noticed that in all youtube reviews or conversations people always say something hits hard?
no one ever says the opposite? hits like a princess, hits like a poodle? they always say hits like a train or truck?
and when they say hits "harder" they never bother to mention as opposed to what?
Like you won't hear someone say a caravella hits harder than a turtleship regardless if its true or not because while you praise one item you don't want to step on the toes of another item especially if there is any proud owners of a turtleship in the room.

Anyhow, 2 things:
#1 I think the question should be, which one has better conductivity. Then obviously all you would need to do is look over the materials of the firing pins and the body material that completes the circuit. Often times the brass version of any mod "hits harder" is simply because the brass body is more conductive than stainless steel material.
We know that the order of these metals is: (reference: Electrical Conductivity of Materials)
Silver
Copper
Aluminum
Brass
Stainless

So if a company were to release a copper mod, it would..........you know "hit harder" than say a brass or anything lower.

#2 Does it matter which one hits harder? or is this all a semi illusion when it comes to vaping? Hear me out on this.
If we used a kick in a mech mod which MANY of us do. does conductivity matter to the point where you will taste/feel it?
The kick is simulating X watts regardless of various parameters and even if it is off a bit you can crank the kick.
So for this coil and mod I would kick it at 8 watts but for this other coil and mod I would kick at 9 watts.

Ok fine lets NOT use a kick. So mod A is more conductive than mod B, But wouldn't we just build our coil a little hotter?
Perhaps less wraps? thicker gauge? Twisted coils? to achieve roughly the same output?
So therefore any mod out there, if theres a little more voltage drop. couldn't we just compensate for that with the build?

This is why I tell people, So what if your mod is copper pins, brass pins, stainless pins and not silver.
There are so many variables in vaping that you can "tweak" different juice strengths, different gauge wire, different wicks, different build setups, different devices. You can always compensate and tweak a satisfying vape.


Final thoughts: Buy the one you like with the features you really need. Don't lose sleep over the smaller things.
"hitting hard" is a relative term. No one ever goes into an Auto parts store and asks which jumper cables hit harder.

Maybe he meant hits the wallet harder...

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[csantiago1911]

If this matters to anyone, here is what I found.

I have bought two Magnetos and given them to family members as gifts. When setting them up, I was able to test them for resistance and v-drop. I was also able to compare their performance to my other mech mods (Hcigar M16, Hcigar King, FT Launcher V2).

The spring loaded head in latest version of the Magneto topcap has more resistance than the top cap my other mech mods. Further, the spring on one Magneto topcap broke during use, necessitating the purchase of a replacement topcap.

In actual use with a 0.9 ohm coil on a Nimbus clone, the vape was noticeably cooler on the Magnetos than on the other mech mods. This was not really a big deal, however... the Magnetos just required a slightly lower resistance coil build to duplicate the performance of the other mech mods.

In the final analysis, I agree with Pegasus1337. The increased v-drop of a mod can be compensated for in the build. The much bigger issue to me is the durability of the spring in the Magneto topcap. For that reason alone, I will not buy any more Magnetos and consider other mechs to be more durable.