HCigar Nemisis clone questions

[Pegasus1337]

I think that people get into the wrong mods for the wrong reasons.

Although there are times where a kick might serve a purpose. I don't see a time where a mech mod + kick would ever be the optimal choice. Saying things like how it adds protection although true, These days its not that big of a deal. Using good batteries like MNKE is plenty safe enough that I shouldn't have to consider some type of fuse.

I see mech + kick an alternate setup, but its not optimal. I think the purpose of mechanicals is to go nuts with it.
Mechanicals allows you to go into the hotter realms that you normally can't and thats what you should use it for.
I get that your initial post is not geared for me. But I was asking you to make me a believer of this product.
Sometimes during discussions People who own an item tend to find reasons to defend it.
as mentioned earlier I also have this item and you can tell I'm an advanced user.

I really tried to find a reason to use this thing. Mine just sits in a box collecting dust.

I not sure but, I think if you build anything that can fire on a provari, you're better off leaving it on the provari.
its not worth the trouble to go get a mech and kick it. it won't taste that far off and its easier to adjust on the go.
I'm aware of rattlesnake PWM 33.3 chip on SVD. but still. I'd rather have the ohm meter, the battery meter, the VV/VW adjustments.

The moment you go true sub ohm kicks are pointless like you said. .5-.2ohm

Look i'm not trying to talk you out of the kick, I was more hoping you'd talk me INTO it because I already own one.
I can't find a reason to love it.

 

[J Teezy]

Thanks for some of the thought out responses. I should add that with vaping I am more concerned with great flavor production and I don't really care to blow huge clouds. I vape to stay off the analogs and getting good flavor helps with that not the size of the clouds. The reason I want to go with a mech like a nemesis clone is the size factor foremost and then the way it looks. If I can throw a aspire nautilus or I clear on it and get good flavor then I would be happy

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[J Teezy]

What it really boils down to is am I going to get a good tasting vape using a nemesis clone with a tank like a nautilus using the prefab heads at 1.6 to 1.8 ohms

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[KrisAinTX]

What it really boils down to is am I going to get a good tasting vape using a nemesis clone with a tank like a nautilus using the prefab heads at 1.6 to 1.8 ohms

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Stick with the SVD at 1.6 - 1.8ohms. There's no reason to use a mechanical. The SVD will allow you to dial up the wattage, where the mechanical is limited to the power of the battery.

 

[dice57]

Well some people do get mechanicals for sub ohm vaping, but not all do. And a mech with a kick 2 will out vape or match any regulated device this side of a DNA20 or DNA30 mod, except maybe a Beast Box VV, which has a 6 amp limit, 8 volt output, and can take you up to 50 watts with a standard ohm build. Ohm meters on devices are nice, but not as accurate as the atomizer ohm meters, that provide a stable platform to build on. Most regulated mod ohm meters are only accurate up to +or- .05 ohms, and are often not that good. I actually prefer using a mech mod with the kick 2 over the Provari.

When I use the kick 2, it is always dial up to max 15 watts, and provides ever bit of a consistent vape as the Provari does, but if I switch out the atomizer, I don't need to mess with it, and dial it in for max output like I do the Provari. Also a 1600 mah 18490 battery using the kick 2 at 15 watts will last longer than a 2000 mah 18650 battery will on the Provari at 15 watts. so that's another advantage. My kick 2 sat in a box also once I went .5 ohms and lower, then I got another mech mod, so I had the Provari and 2 mechs. I also have a fair collection of excellent high end rba's, but not all are well suited for sub ohm builds and actually vape better at 1-2 ohms. So now in my rotation is the Provari, the Origin with the kick 2, and the Nemesis straight mechanical sporting a quad dual vertical mounted .3 ohm build. I am also anxiously awaiting the delivery of the Stingray Copper Black Mod by JD Tech, which I doubt will ever see the kick in it. lmao.

All I am saying is that the kick with a mechanical is an excellent choice for standard ohm users. I would sooner buy another mech and kick 2 before I would buy another Provari, as good as the P is. And would love it if they'd come out with a Kick 3 with a 30 watt output, would probably buy one. I like regulated mods, but find them limiting, I love mechanical mods and there incredible beauty, design, function and simplicity. I am fighting not getting a rda, because I don't like the hassle of dripping, though I do have two rba's that are tank drippers. I like tanks, fill and go.

 

[dice57]

Thanks for some of the thought out responses. I should add that with vaping I am more concerned with great flavor production and I don't really care to blow huge clouds. I vape to stay off the analogs and getting good flavor helps with that not the size of the clouds. The reason I want to go with a mech like a nemesis clone is the size factor foremost and then the way it looks. If I can throw a aspire nautilus or I clear on it and get good flavor then I would be happy

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I go for total vape satisfaction, flavor is first priority. It just so happens that clouds are formed along with the great flavor.

What it really boils down to is am I going to get a good tasting vape using a nemesis clone with a tank like a nautilus using the prefab heads at 1.6 to 1.8 ohms

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the nautilus would work fine on a mechanical, even without a kick. With a 1.6 ohm coil, you'd be starting out at 10 watts, and drift down from there when voltage drops in the battery, a 1.8 coil would start out at about 8.8 watts and go down from there, but still in the decent vape zone of most vapers. The Nautilus would easily handle 15 watts, so a kick 2 would be a great option. The Nautilus is turning heads in the vape community and is making Kayfun users and some drippers change thier vape game. It is probably the best of the best changeable coil atomizers ever to hit the market. Personally I think some of the kayfun users that are switching just never learned to build a really awesome wick and coil, but I could be wrong, since I haven't tried one, but like the design improvements over the original aspire BDC.

 

[maxd]

after I've got Nemesis clone and liked it -> next one will be the original one,
regardless of the price but to say thanks back to original inventor(s)

just have to collect money,

no jokes

 

[markaricavp]

I look for clouds first then flavor lol.

After educating myself and feeling comfortable, I build 0.3-0.5 sub ohms with the right battery mainly for casual vaping with friends. When I'm traveling, I normally build 1.2 or 1.8 around there, or use my tank.

I recently just got the new Kanger Aerotank and have thought it to be the logical upgrade from the Protank 1. There were also the PT 2 and 3 but I never gave in because of what some people were saying about them. So far the Aerotank solves leaking issues (that the PT 2 and 3 were thought to have but rarely on my PT 1). Being the one that looks for clouds first, but want to use a tank, you'll get more airholes with the Nemesis + Protank 1 than the Nemesis + Aerotank.

Why? Because with the Protank 1, it has holes on the 510 connection, also it has grooves under the bottom cap. The Nemesis has an adjustable airflow and thus it goes into the 510 connection, which adds +2 holes plus the grooves for air to access, and in my opinion was a little better for more vapor. Whereas with the Aerotank, there are no airholes on the 510 connection but instead has an airflow controller as the bottomcap. You got three holes slightly larger than the Protank 1, but the holes on the Nemesis doesn't flow into the Aerotank, so you're only getting it from the three holes. Slightly blow into the tank to see where the air is coming from.

Would I recommend it? Depends on what you're looking for. Building RDAs are easy, and I didn't want the hassle of building an RBA, yet I wanted a tank so I don't have to drip often when I'm on-the-go. The Aerotank fits my needs. I use it on the Nemesis clone at 18350 mode and looks nice also. It also comes with two 2.0 ohm dual coil heads and I plan on rebuilding these when the time comes. Flavor is good, vapor is obviously less than an RDA but better than when I started with an eGo with an iClear 16. Tank capacity is good enough for me. I don't know when I'll get into RBAs, but as of right now, I still love my tanks and sub-ohm RDAs. I'd also recommend them with a VV/VW. If I don't use it in 18350 mode, it's on my iTaste MVP vaping at 5V.

Before getting into mechanicals though, you should invest in an ohm reader and a multimeter. It's the least you could do. Also read the forums. I knew I wasn't educated enough or had the time to build RBAs, so I invested in the Aerotank. Hell, it looks like a smaller version of the Kayfun.

 

[Credo]

I think that people get into the wrong mods for the wrong reasons.

Although there are times where a kick might serve a purpose. I don't see a time where a mech mod + kick would ever be the optimal choice. Saying things like how it adds protection although true, These days its not that big of a deal. Using good batteries like MNKE is plenty safe enough that I shouldn't have to consider some type of fuse.

I see mech + kick an alternate setup, but its not optimal. I think the purpose of mechanicals is to go nuts with it.
Mechanicals allows you to go into the hotter realms that you normally can't and thats what you should use it for.
I get that your initial post is not geared for me. But I was asking you to make me a believer of this product.
Sometimes during discussions People who own an item tend to find reasons to defend it.
as mentioned earlier I also have this item and you can tell I'm an advanced user.

I really tried to find a reason to use this thing. Mine just sits in a box collecting dust.

I not sure but, I think if you build anything that can fire on a provari, you're better off leaving it on the provari.
its not worth the trouble to go get a mech and kick it. it won't taste that far off and its easier to adjust on the go.
I'm aware of rattlesnake PWM 33.3 chip on SVD. but still. I'd rather have the ohm meter, the battery meter, the VV/VW adjustments.

The moment you go true sub ohm kicks are pointless like you said. .5-.2ohm

Look i'm not trying to talk you out of the kick, I was more hoping you'd talk me INTO it because I already own one.
I can't find a reason to love it.

Your reasons are your own. You have your goals, but not everyone shares those same goals. When it is a first mech...many users aren't even sure what their goals are! It's nice to have the flexibility to use the device to meet a WIDE range of goals.

Reasons besides 'sub-ohm' to use mechs.

First, mechanicals have been around a lot longer than batteries that could safely handle 'sub-ohm' vaping. There are plenty of reasons that people like them, ranging from 'visual aesthetics' to 'durability'. Some folks like them simply because they already have a stash of 18mm batteries and want an inexpensive back-up. They can also have a certain 'collector' appeal.

Ever vape on a cold winter day with snow mittens?
Ever vape with work gloves?
It sure is nice to not have to pull off the work gloves to find and hit the tiny rubber/plastic button used by the majority of sub $100 variable APVs out there. Mech's have nice BIG buttons you can easily find and fire. A significant portion of the world population does spend much of their year in pretty extreme winters. There's also a significant number of working folks or sportsmen who wear gloves for other reasons. Tiny little buttons with a 1mm throw can be a real PITA with numb cold or hot sweaty hands through thick gloves. Mech devices give a huge range of button types to choose from, and a heck of a lot of them are sold simply because of the button size and action.

Ever thought it would be nice to have adjustable air flow on your stock tanks and atties? Quite a few mechs can add this ability.

Ever worked in extreme weather/temperature conditions? Maybe you keep your PV in a tool belt/box with other heavy stuff so it gets pretty beat up. It does get old replacing $40 APV units. People who get a bit rough with their PV sometimes find a Mech holds up better. When they do mess one up...chances are good that the battery and regulator (if they use one) is still good. Just slap all the parts in a new tube and be done with it.

You keep saying HOTTER...yet it only takes 3 to 5 watts on a coil to make vapor. Many people are working themselves (and their batteries) far too hard in search of the 'optimal rock concert fogger'. 80% of it is in the air flow and having the 'right wick' to match whatever heat is available. Your so called 'only real purpose' of owning a mech is nuts. For all the talk of 'optimal' builds and getting 80 watts from tiny batteries...well, that is FAR FROM OPTIMAL. Stage Fog machines don't even need that much power.

Not everyone is a hot and heavy 'lung hitter'. Some prefer 'bucked' settings, for lower wattage rigs well below 10 watts, and don't even do direct lung hits. Some keep several tanks loaded with several different flavors and swap them frequently. Be it a $12 kick clone, or a $45 Genuine Evolv Kick 2...it's a very helpful feature to have handy for MANY people...especially when it's their first mech. A Kick helps people try a wide variety of build types to find what they enjoy using (not what others tell them is 'cool').

I've been using Kicks and Crowns since they came out sometime in 2011/12. Both the Kicks and the mechanical (or non-mech/switched unregulated battery holder) tubes have outlasted every sub $200 APV I've ever owned. The regulators make it bone head easy to pop any topper I want on the mech and use it. I could care less if it is 'optimal'...I just want it to work well and not be full of dry hits or flooded coils.

 

[crxess]

I'm have a feeling the veterans will either love what I'm about to say or hate it to death.

You assume correctly.

You present a lot of good information in an unusual format laced with personal opinion. Go with one or the other or at lease discern between the two.

Credo offered short accurate information.

Using Rebuildable Devices has nothing to do with preferred Ohms beyond the fact they can be taken Much lower than some Clearomizers.
RBA are higher Quality Flexible Design devices. They allow the user to tweak to their preference much easier than any Disposable would make possible.
A Nemesis with a Kick or Crown set to 10 watts WILL do the same job as an SVD or other APV set to 10w. That is the whole point of the equipment.

Let there be knowledge
Let there be Personal opinion

Most of all LET THERE BE A DISTINCTION!

 

[tj99959]

There is nothing wrong with everyone having their own agenda. That is what causes inovation afterall.

I chose the HCigar Chi You instead of the nemmy because I like having a drip well instead of a flat top, but both are great clones of great PV's.
Much to my delight I had to add resistance to my normal coil build to get the vape that I like with the HCigar clone.

Now lets's clear up some misconceptions:
HOW you do your builds will make a larger difference than the resistance of your builds. As an example, a good 2 ohm micro coil will blow any 0.5 ohm sub ohm coil out of the water.

As for the Kick, it was a great addition to my old Silver Bullet that I like to use 3 ohm cartos in a carto tank on.


What I love about ecf is that the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Would you believe 188 pages about how to build a carto tank out of a syringe?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tanks/220756-homemade-syringe-tank-mod-looks-easy.html

 

[Pegasus1337]

What it really boils down to is am I going to get a good tasting vape using a nemesis clone with a tank like a nautilus using the prefab heads at 1.6 to 1.8 ohms

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The reason I bothered to spend time on this thread is that too many people buy the wrong things for the wrong reasons.

If all you said was, I want a nemmy. Is it good? then your response will be. its not bad.
The throw pin of the switch kinda rises after usage. It can be locked down but only with certain configurations or it won't fire properly.
But the fact that this is your first mechanical, you have no clue what I just said.

Had you started with, I don't care to blow big clouds, I just want good flavor, where can I go from my nautilus.

I guarantee you, the most popular answer would point you towards a kayfun. I'm sure dice would even agree.
This thread wouldn't have been about mechanicals.

The SVD you currently own can go a long way. Upgrading from a fill n go tank. To a rebuildable tank system would be plenty.
and if anything 1.2-1.8 ohms is exactly the recommended resistance for that item.

Get yourself a Kayfun, its all the hype right now. Get the 3.1 version if you want airflow control.
Get the kayfun lite if you can find a store that will let you try it first and you're happy with that draw because the lite version isn't adjustable.

Get the footoon aqua if money is not an issue. The aqua is even better.

If money is an issue, get a Fogger Ver 3

 

[stylezuk]

There is nothing wrong with everyone having their own agenda. That is what causes inovation afterall.

I chose the HCigar Chi You instead of the nemmy because I like having a drip well instead of a flat top, but both are great clones of great PV's.
Much to my delight I had to add resistance to my normal coil build to get the vape that I like with the HCigar clone.

Now lets's clear up some misconceptions:
HOW you do your builds will make a larger difference than the resistance of your builds. As an example, a good 2 ohm micro coil will blow any 0.5 ohm sub ohm coil out of the water.

As for the Kick, it was a great addition to my old Silver Bullet that I like to use 3 ohm cartos in a carto tank on.


What I love about ecf is that the more things change, the more they sty the same.
Would you believe 188 pages about how to build a carto tank out of a syringe? :lol;
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tanks/220756-homemade-syringe-tank-mod-looks-easy.html

Very true and on point so much is subjective but the goal being perfect vape, I use a 1.8ohm on AGI dripper .25 and and the on a Trident v2 "non clone" a flat 1ohm dual but on out vapour the AGI beats the Trident v2 but on flavour the Trident beats the AGI and then switch Atomic 0.6ohm dual .25 flavour and plumes are amazing now really allot is down to build, I started off with Mec and Kick 2 for regulation and safety some tanks like a certain W other wise it just tastes burnt past sweet spot and then safety as was starting to coil, now I'm only using the kick in UD-v9 why? As it has a massive voltage drop so it solves the weak vape, other mec Cerberus has the Atomic and The Vengeance "no logo nemesis" Trident, it's taken 3 months for me to finally work things out about mods builds and no way mastered as we always learn, I suppose my point is that what works for one may not for another and the journey is part of the fun. #VapeOn

 

[tj99959]

The reason I bothered to spend time on this thread is that too many people buy the wrong things for the wrong reasons.

If all you said was, I want a nemmy. Is it good? then your response will be. its not bad.
The throw pin of the switch kinda rises after usage. It can be locked down but only with certain configurations or it won't fire properly.
But the fact that this is your first mechanical, you have no clue what I just said.

Had you started with, I don't care to blow big clouds, I just want good flavor, where can I go from my nautilus.

I guarantee you, the most popular answer would point you towards a kayfun. I'm sure dice would even agree.
This thread wouldn't have been about mechanicals.

The SVD you currently own can go a long way. Upgrading from a fill n go tank. To a rebuildable tank system would be plenty.
and if anything 1.2-1.8 ohms is exactly the recommended resistance for that item.

Get yourself a Kayfun, its all the hype right now. Get the 3.1 version if you want airflow control.
Get the kayfun lite if you can find a store that will let you try it first and you're happy with that draw because the lite version isn't adjustable.

Get the footoon aqua if money is not an issue. The aqua is even better.

If money is an issue, get a Fogger Ver 3

Well darn, you went and left me out in the cold with all that there knowlege, cuz I don't use any of those.

 

[J Teezy]

The reason I bothered to spend time on this thread is that too many people buy the wrong things for the wrong reasons.

If all you said was, I want a nemmy. Is it good? then your response will be. its not bad.
The throw pin of the switch kinda rises after usage. It can be locked down but only with certain configurations or it won't fire properly.
But the fact that this is your first mechanical, you have no clue what I just said.

Had you started with, I don't care to blow big clouds, I just want good flavor, where can I go from my nautilus.

I guarantee you, the most popular answer would point you towards a kayfun. I'm sure dice would even agree.
This thread wouldn't have been about mechanicals.

The SVD you currently own can go a long way. Upgrading from a fill n go tank. To a rebuildable tank system would be plenty.
and if anything 1.2-1.8 ohms is exactly the recommended resistance for that item.

Get yourself a Kayfun, its all the hype right now. Get the 3.1 version if you want airflow control.
Get the kayfun lite if you can find a store that will let you try it first and you're happy with that draw because the lite version isn't adjustable.

Get the footoon aqua if money is not an issue. The aqua is even better.

If money is an issue, get a Fogger Ver 3

i do not have the SVD anymore. I didn't like the size of it, of mech is appealing as it can get a bit smaller than the SVD when both in 350 mode.

I have been looking at the Kayfun line rebuildables as it seems everyone says they are great flavor producers. Looking into the kayfun lite plus as from what I have researched they provide adjustable airflow which I like (i use it alot on my nautilus depending on what juice is in the tank). Now with that being said I will need another mech or mod to replace the SVD i had. I've watched plenty of youtube videos on building a kayfun coil and it seems pretty easy for the most part, just building to the ohms would take some experimenting.

So I've been trying to locate a good KFL+ clone and can't seem to find any US vendors other than ebay that have any. I'm skeptical to purchasing either of these Newest Edition Kayfun Lite Plus Clone "Adjustable Airflow" SHIP Same Day | eBay or Black Edition Kayfun Lite Plus Russian Style RBA Atomizer with Adjustable 510 | eBay as they don't show a picture of it broken down into its parts

 

[stylezuk]

Well darn, you went and left me out in the cold with all that there knowlege, cuz I don't use any of those.

Lol and no IGO-W or L it's something everyone should have Meant in jhest.