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Health Canada’s E-Cig restrictions deserve to go up in smoke

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Esharp

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Why is it that everyone on here freaks out when someone against vaping says there's "a ban", but suddenly everything is quiet when a pro vaping article says the same (in the first line, no less...)?

Maybe we're getting use to the media being misinformed about the legal status of e-cigs. Tell a lie enough times and everyone starts to believe it as if it were true. You do bring up a good point though.
 

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True. Sheer repetition will cause people to recall it that way.

It is very true. Just the other day I was at a meeting and afterwards was showing and demonstrating vaping to my friend that really wants to quit and got the no nic variety hare that aren't working. As soon as I exhaled a plume another smoker came over and said don't you know that those things are poison? When I explained that it had PG, another smoker trying to quit with an inhaler said...yeah, that stuff is in anti freeze:facepalm:
I try as much as possible to be responsible and represent vaping in a positive fashion because there is so much "stigma" that is purely a result of the smallest inaccuracies in media that are sensational. Perception is reality. It is always better to correct things at the get go and not sit back until things are too far gone and say, if only I had......
 

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It is very true. Just the other day I was at a meeting and afterwards was showing and demonstrating vaping to my friend that really wants to quit and got the no nic variety hare that aren't working. As soon as I exhaled a plume another smoker came over and said don't you know that those things are poison? When I explained that it had PG, another smoker trying to quit with an inhaler said...yeah, that stuff is in anti freeze:facepalm:
I try as much as possible to be responsible and represent vaping in a positive fashion because there is so much "stigma" that is purely a result of the smallest inaccuracies in media that are sensational. Perception is reality. It is always better to correct things at the get go and not sit back until things are too far gone and say, if only I had......
Well done knocking out the misinformation.

I have not yet run into anyone opposed to e-cig ... even non-smokers, and it's been at least 50 people. Most I have found are either indifferent or curious and my dentist asked me to bring in my PV for the next visit, 'cause he wants to see what it looks like. The local Parks Board has approved e-cig smoking on City Property after I made an application. The staff of an insurance company I deal with had a good laugh when I vaped in front of them and thought it was both neat and funny.

Further, none of the aforementioned were even aware there were any official advisories against it's use, so HE's influence isn't going very far ... they are not having any major effect out there.
 
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The other smoker was right, VG (glycerol), PG, and the erroneously-found ethylene glycol are all used as antifreeze, but the first two which are the ones we used are not "poison". They are actually a component of most of the foods we eat and in pharmaceutical applications! There are even several studies where they tried using PG as an antibacterial... They bombarded a room with PG vapor and concluded it was an effective room sterilizer.

Here's a quote from wikipedia as I can't find a site which compared all three in one page.
Ethylene glycol

Ethylene glycol solutions became available in 1926 and were marketed as "permanent antifreeze" since the higher boiling points provided advantages for summertime use as well as during cold weather. They are used today for a variety of applications, including automobiles, but gradually being replaced by propylene glycol due to its lower toxicity.
Poisoning
Main article: Ethylene glycol poisoning

Ethylene glycol is poisonous to humans and other animals,[3][4] and should be handled carefully and disposed of properly. Its sweet taste can lead to accidental ingestion or allow its deliberate use as a murder weapon.[5][6][7] Ethylene glycol is difficult to detect in the body, and causes symptoms—including intoxication, severe ........, and vomiting—that can be confused with other illnesses or diseases.[3][7] Its metabolism produces calcium oxalate, which crystallizes in the brain, heart, lungs, and kidneys, damaging them; depending on the level of exposure, accumulation of the poison in the body can last weeks or months before causing death, but death by acute kidney failure can result within 72 hours if the individual does not receive appropriate medical treatment for the poisoning.[3] Some ethylene glycol antifreeze mixtures contain an embittering agent, such as denatonium, to discourage accidental or deliberate consumption.

Propylene glycol

Propylene glycol, on the other hand, is considerably less toxic than ethylene glycol and may be labeled as "non-toxic antifreeze". It is used as antifreeze where ethylene glycol would be inappropriate, such as in food-processing systems or in water pipes in homes where incidental ingestion may be possible. As confirmation of its relative non-toxicity, the FDA allows propylene glycol to be added to a large number of processed foods, including ice cream, frozen custard, and baked goods.

Propylene glycol oxidizes when exposed to air and heat, forming lactic acid.[8][9] If not properly inhibited, this fluid can be very corrosive,[citation needed] so pH buffering agents are often added to propylene glycol, to prevent acidic corrosion of metal components.

Besides cooling system corrosion, biological fouling also occurs. Once bacterial slime starts to grow, the corrosion rate of the system increases. Maintenance of systems using glycol solution includes regular monitoring of freeze protection, pH, specific gravity, inhibitor level, color, and biological contamination. Propylene glycol should be replaced when it turns a reddish color.[10]

Glycerol

Once used for automotive antifreeze, glycerol has the advantage of being non-toxic, withstands relatively high temperatures, and is noncorrosive.

Like ethylene glycol and propylene glycol, glycerol is a non-ionic kosmotrope that forms strong hydrogen bonds with water molecules, competing with water-water hydrogen bonds. This disrupts the crystal lattice formation of ice unless the temperature is significantly lowered. The minimum freezing point temperature is at about −36 °F / −37.8 °C corresponding to 60–70% glycerol in water.[11]

Glycerol was historically used as an antifreeze for automotive applications before being replaced by ethylene glycol, which has a lower freezing point. While the minimum freezing point of a glycerol-water mixture is higher than an ethylene glycol-water mixture, glycerol is not toxic and is being reexamined for use in automotive applications.[12][13] Glycerol is mandated for use as an antifreeze in many sprinkler systems.

In the laboratory, glycerol is a common component of solvents for enzymatic reagents stored at temperatures below 0 °C due to the depression of the freezing temperature of solutions with high concentrations of glycerol. It is also used as a cryoprotectant where the glycerol is dissolved in water to reduce damage by ice crystals to laboratory organisms that are stored in frozen solutions, such as bacteria, nematodes, and mammalian embryos.
Antifreeze - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_006e/0901b8038006e13c.pdf?filepath=propyleneglycol/pdfs/noreg/117-01785.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc

So the next time we here someone say it's poison, we can tell them "Yeah, it's as poisonous as ice cream!"; you're inhaling them when you go to concerts with smoke machines, you're drinking them when you drink syrups, etc...
 
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