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Health canada cant do this

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kellyd

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People we have to pull together and send comments to Health Canada about how they are making people to go back to cigarettes by closing down these sites that sell vaping supplies.
Dont sit there and go oh well someone else will send them a message we all have to and show them how many people out there that have given up smoking cigarettes and how they are feeling better where they can walk up a flight of stairs and not be out of breath.
I have already sent them an e-mail voicing my concerns.
PLEASE PEOPLE SEND THEM A MESSAGE
 

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When writing to politicians -

Written letters are more effective than emails.

CC a hard copy or email to your MP and at least one other politician. This keeps everyone accountable.

Keep it short and to the point. Be personal. You're a voter - what affects you personally matters to someone. What you think about something often matters to no one.
 

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I guess it wouldn't hurt to send a letter, but from what I've been told, it isn't going to do very much. Last year, James from JC announced he was throwing in the towel when the heat was on. Last minute, he chose to continue. By his statement, I think he was ready to close at the next sign of any communication from HC. For personal reasons, he chose to stop. I think what really needs to happens is a supplier needs to stand up & challenge the cease & desist order.

Back in the 1990's, a Toronto Furrier(person who sells furs coats), Paul Magder kept his shop open on Sundays & Holidays. He simply tossed the orders in the garbage & collected 500,000 in fines of which he actually paid only $20,000. He pushed it all the way to the Supreme Court but for reasons unknown, his fight was never heard. It is said he went bankrupt because of this. I believe he went bankrupt because people opposed the sale of fur & there was less of a demand for fur coats, legal costs & unpaid fines. Anyhow, the point I'm trying to make is it was mainly because of his defiance that Ontario soon after legalized Sunday shopping.

I think until someone stands up to the authorities & challenges the fines in court, nothing is going to change. Of course, no one would want to be burden with the financial setbacks of challenging these fines, so I'd like to see a separate coalition set up with 4 or 5 key suppliers(Mopar, Jack, JaytheVapingguy) Under the coalition, they collect 1% from all sales from all Canadian e-Cig suppliers & put it into a fund. This growing fund would be set aside for such a fight when the time comes. So hypothetically, 5000 e-cig users spending 1000/yr x 1% could raise $50,000.00 yearly.

As an individual, no one can really afford to take on the government with legal costs, as a democracy of e-cig users, we all can take on the government with just 1%.
 

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Mike, it wasn't just "communication", they actually got shut down this time. James made a post in the thread about it here :(

Your right, Chelly - I messed that part up. I reread James' quote. It was a cease & desist & James is following the order and allowed to open up for a final sale.

He is shutting down as of Feb 1st
 
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JQside

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When writing to politicians -

Written letters are more effective than emails.

CC a hard copy or email to your MP and at least one other politician. This keeps everyone accountable.


Keep it short and to the point. Be personal. You're a voter - what affects you personally matters to someone. What you think about something often matters to no one.

This is more effective than holding the entire HC accountable where no one would care. We need to focus on one or two individuals. Get their pictures if possible and post them in appropriate sites. Email them and show the link where their names are mentioned. Until they're put on the spotlight they'll keep maintaining their ignore and smug attitudes.

Have as many CCs as you possibly can in your snail mails.
 

mekks

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I emailed her and got an auto out of office response with an email address to direct urgent concerns too, so I sent the email to that dude too. I told her in my PS that I hope she enjoys all the calls/faxes/emails she's going to receive from my friends so ya'll better make me proud!!

Making you proud :) my email has been sent waiting for the out of office now for the other one..lol
 

mekks

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I can't help but find it ironic that HC shuts down Juicy Clear but then allows them three days to put a sale on the very juice they are against. Ironic but WAY better than confiscating it all which is what I would have expected actually.

True, but i still kinda hope their inbox is flooded with emails on Monday :)
 

smokum

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Respectfully, and only IMHO...

Every once & a while HC makes another blitz...... this has been going on since March of 2009 after HC's first official announcement HERE

And long after the vets had moved onto other vendors, a fresh vaper will catch on and get riled up about the injustice and a new (for lack of a better word....) hysteria starts up again.

Now, I'm not belittling the importance nor the need to gather and fight this abuse of power...... I'm just stating what I've observed repeatedly over my tenor here.

You'll soon enough do the same, and at the same time there will be more start up vendors to fill the shoes and take the risks....... then the next batch of new vapers will repeat the process.

It sucks, but its a reality of being at the birth of a new potential mainstream phenomenon.

PEACE & VapeOn
 

kalvinf

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Its a dam shame they are closing down Juicy Clear, but legally I don't see how they can, HC is the real criminals here...

This looks like HC invoking their new powers under Bill C-36:

"Health Canada inspectors and police no longer require a warrant to enter private property in Canada. Under this new law, police and Health Canada inspectors can remove anything from a home, and not have to report what was taken to the local court." Bill C36 - Health Canada's New Powers Put Canadians at Risk | Suite101.com

So fundamentally they have a legal basis to proceed but at pretty much the equivalent of the Nazi SS under the dictorial directives of the German government during WWII.
 
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