Health Insurance and E-cigs
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Yes I recall reading such a thread. He was tested for nicotine for insurance or a job, I can't recall. He'd been vaping for a long time but still used nicotine in his juice.
The tests don't distinguish the source of the nicotine.
This is exactly why some of my co workers said they'd just keep on smoking rather than try to use an ecig.
I've noticed that the insurance and some job apps have changed from smoking to using tobacco products, it figures ya try to get healthy and they screw you anyway.
Cotinine is a metabolic byproduct of nicotine. Nicotine replacement medications produce cotinine just as tobacco does.
SOOOO...you may be chewing the gum and on the patches and will still test positive even if you aren't smoking.
so to ME....if vaping produces a postitive as well as FDA approved NRT methods, then how could the insurance companies discriminate against the method you chose to quit analogs?
SOOOO...you may be chewing the gum and on the patches and will still test positive even if you aren't smoking.
so to ME....if vaping produces a postitive as well as FDA approved NRT methods, then how could the insurance companies discriminate against the method you chose to quit analogs?
Almost all other ways are tested and approved by the FDA. Ecigs haven't been? That's my guess.
BardicDruid, you still using that pen style PV?
In general, if you commit fraud on an insurance application they might not have to pay. (Example not mentioning you have cancer).
However, generally speaking a mistake, or "forgetting" to mention something will not disqualify you from collecting. So if someday you need to collect on the insurance, it will be there. But the insurance company may deduct the extra premium they would have charged you, had you checked the correct box - from the amount of the insurance paid out. Because its not fraud if you answer wrong by mistake, or depending on how its worded, decide an ecig doesn't meet the criteria.
By the way, you don't need to worry about "integrity" when dealing with a health insurer, since there are not any that know the what the word means. So I say "no" on mine and sleep just fine.
However, generally speaking a mistake, or "forgetting" to mention something will not disqualify you from collecting. So if someday you need to collect on the insurance, it will be there. But the insurance company may deduct the extra premium they would have charged you, had you checked the correct box - from the amount of the insurance paid out. Because its not fraud if you answer wrong by mistake, or depending on how its worded, decide an ecig doesn't meet the criteria.
By the way, you don't need to worry about "integrity" when dealing with a health insurer, since there are not any that know the what the word means. So I say "no" on mine and sleep just fine.
Ok here's the guy (Astronomer) who was vaping and tested positive:http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cy-they-test-nic-can-i-still-vape-pass-4.html
Read the whole thread. It's very interesting.
I'm still looking for the amount of eggplant you'd have to eat to fail a nic test.
Read the whole thread. It's very interesting.
I'm still looking for the amount of eggplant you'd have to eat to fail a nic test.
I only eat my eggplants when they're fried up like squash. So I'd think if I ate enough to fail a nic test, I'd probably have more serious problems to be worried about. Like obesity and cholesterol problems.
There is also another problem with this since continine can be present in non smokers who live in homes where other people smoke.
Personally I think it's a non issue, since the argument is about SMOKING or CHEWING tobacco. Not nicotine.
Personally I think it's a non issue, since the argument is about SMOKING or CHEWING tobacco. Not nicotine.
Well for insurance purposes there is no difference.
They get away with that. You think that's fair?
Awww, blocked by our firewall. Well, I think I get the jist from the title. Eating way too many fried eggplants can get ya fired or fined for becoming obese and smoking
There's one big difference between e-cig and NRTs - NRTs are "in" with the medical/legal system and sold by BP. That brings us back to money. You can quit smoking "our way" or your way, in which case we collect more insurance money from you. The FDA gets money from BP.
Awww, blocked by our firewall. Well, I think I get the jist from the title. Eating way too many fried eggplants can get ya fired or fined for becoming obese and smoking
Here's the most outrageous bit:
" Companies are not just doing pre-employment screening for illegal drugs now but all kinds of bad habits and health ailments. A growing list of companies are very open about their strict standards. The Cleveland Clinic has openly admitted that starting September 1st, 2007 if pre-employment screening finds nicotine in a potential employees system they will immediately be denied employment. A company called Clarian Health has sent notifications to it’s large pool of employees letting them know that starting in 2009 employees will be charged $5 per paycheck if they are found using tobacco. The charges don’t end there. Clarian has also stated that if tests show the employee has abnormal levels of cholesterol, blood pressure and a growing list of other tests they will be charged $5 on each paycheck for each occurrence of those criteria."
I happen to know 3 people who are rail thin, eat very healthy yet have high cholesterol.
My husband is very overweight, eats nothing but junk but has great cholesterol numbers.
I don't know mine because I refuse to have it checked.
Left a reply to that one on the site! What a load of hogwash! They'll probably delete it, but it's there for now.
Found a page about vegetables for nicotine. I'm not sure I understand these numbers but I don't need to think you'd need to eat 100s of pounds to test positive but you'd still need to eat a lot :
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http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/junk/nicotine.html
Can some on translate this into ounces or pounds?
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http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/junk/nicotine.html
Can some on translate this into ounces or pounds?
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