hello all, i've been vaping for about ~1-2 months now using halo cigs. a stranger came up to me on my smoke break and we were talking about e-cigs for a while and he went on and on about how it's just as bad as cigarettes, if not even worse, with "all the different chemicals". i vape halo's juice which is made in the USA w/0 nic. how bad could vaping really be for me? i couldn't help but look at him like he was the crazy one, but it was the first time someone has talked down to me for vaping and it's a little bit upsetting.
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Was he a smoker? That'd actually be a little funny (in a really dark way yeah... but still). Did he produce any, oh, scientific studies to back up his claims or did he just enjoy acting superior?
Nobody can tell you it's "perfectly safe". It's too new to know the long term effects. But the base liquids PG and VG are classified as safe and used in tons of products in everybody's house. PG is used in medicines even.
The last study I read (actual research study) detected nothing of any consequence in the vapor. Definitely nothing as bad as cigarettes.
And, by the way, Mister Expert doesn't drive a car does he? You ever seen the poisons that come out of the tail pipe of a car?
Everyone has their opinions about ecigs, don't let it bother you. The fact is a lot of people "think" they know but they don't. I don't even bother explaining ecigs unless they specifically ask. If they just make comments about it, then I just let them say it nodding my head while I continue enjoying my vape.
The number I am quite familiar with after reading a lot of articles about the difference in risk between smoking and vaping is it's 99% safer to vape. I can't give you all the links that took me to that conclusion but I can share this article by Rolygate on ECF about the issue. Hope this helps a bit.
There will always be dissenters for every innovation or movement. This is proven throughout our history. If he happens by you again, why not improvise and state that it's as dangerous for you to vape as it is for him to fall off of the edge of the Earth. It IS flat...right?
Ive had my smoker friends tell me the same thing. "Man that thing is probably worse for you! Its artificial! Its electronic! Just smoke real cigarettes if you want to smoke!" I laughed.
Okay, that would be hilarious if it weren't so... deadly.
So... they think their cigs were woven on looms by Peruvian weavers or something? Last I checked, cigs were manufactured in factories by machines using all kinds of chemicals...
mkbilbo has a good point, but even if that weren't true, it still isn't a valid argument.
Arsenic is perfectly natural. Brushing your teeth isn't. Which is better for you?
Arsenic is perfectly natural. Brushing your teeth isn't. Which is better for you?
Vaping?
Not sure.
Really, it's only been around since about 2003. Do we know it's absolutely safe? No we do not. But we are talking about substances that are considered very safe. Like the "base liquids" used in the e-juices. PG and VG are considered very safe and are widely, widely used. You've been exposed to them probably your entire life. They're used in tons and tons of products. Medicines included. If you've ever been around a "fog machine" you've been breathing PG vapor. It's exactly the same thing and just about exactly the same process.
The governments and regulatory bodies that are getting all wound up about "e-cigs" are not even talking about the zero nicotine version. Even they don't seem to care about the PG or VG or the flavorings. They're fretting about the nicotine. But smokers were already getting nicotine in cigarettes (or other tobacco users by their tobacco like, oh, chewing tobacco). The problem is, we were all also getting thousands of other chemicals, over 50 of which were known to cause cancer.
The real issue here is: "Is it safer?"
For someone who does not smoke (nor chew nor dip nor some other tobacco use), I would not encourage them to vape. Not even zero nicotine versions. Maybe inhaling PG and VG have long term effects we don't know about yet? Who knows? Twenty years from now, maybe we'll know. If you are not leaving something worse, maybe you don't want the risk.
But for those who are using tobacco which we know to be extremely dangerous, the bet that this is much, much safer is worth it. I know in just a short time, my health is improved. And I'm looking forward to continued improvement.
Nothing is ever safe or not safe. That's not the way the world works. It's levels of risk and what's more safe or less safe or what risks are worth taking or not. We don't live in Nerf world and never will. Driving on the freeways and highways is seriously not safe. Some 3,000 or so people die every month on those things. About 100 every day. But we still drive don't we?
And speaking of cars, ever seen the list of crap that comes out of the tail pipe of those things? I remember years ago, when I lived in Los Angeles, people lecturing me about smoking and how bad it was for me. I'd point at the brown haze of smog in the sky and ask, "So when you going to do something about that?"
(It's gotten much better but in the 80s, I remember the air was actually freaking brown. A kind of orange-brown haze all the way around the horizon. But my smoking was a killer eh? Hm.)
The studies coming in now show vaping is probably pretty safe. Very much safer than smoking. Perfectly safe? Dunno.
Then again, what is?
Also, coal plants. Once they do something about those, then they can talk to me about how safe my PV is or isn't. Almost half the electricity in the US is produced by pumping poison into the atmosphere (including radioactivity that may be worse than a nuclear power plant of all things). When they fix that, then maybe they'll have some room to talk about vaping...
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