Hello from ABu Dhabi. I'm here for only one mission.

[zahzoo]

Welcome Ksubaihi!!

I would suggest checking out One Stop DIY Shop for "Do It Yourself" supplies.

I used several flavors made by The Flavor Apprentice company that are alcohol free. You can also check out their ingredients at Perfumer's Apprentice

Good luck with your search.

 

[3mg Meniere]

Have you talked to your Imam about this issue? Between letting eliquid breathe and the vaporization of the liquid, I'm not sure that every Imam would interpret the Quran as prohibiting this.

I wouldn't be very concerned about that. When I was a child, I was allergic to cheese and fish, which left very little protein-containing foods for me to have in Fridays. My mother talked to our priest about it, and he said that it would be ok for me to eat meat on Fridays. My conscience said otherwise, however. It is all a matter of conscience.

You are welcome, Ksubaihi.

 

[Ksubaihi]

Have you talked to your Imam about this issue? Between letting eliquid breathe and the vaporization of the liquid, I'm not sure that every Imam would interpret the Quran as prohibiting this.

You know Sed, Islam isnt a complicated religion at all. While i would go to an Imam to shed light on the Prophets' teachings and Quran interpretation for some topics, I would also make my own assumptions based on pure logic and avoiding doubt. In the case of alcohol and inhaling vape, no one can honestly prove that vapors dont taste and swallow some of that e-liquid. One the other hand, and further complementing your point here, alcohol is used for medical reasons whether during surgery or the intake of medication. Now the question here is, are we vaping for medical reasons??

 

[Ksubaihi]

Welcome Ksubaihi!!


I used several flavors made by The Flavor Apprentice company that are alcohol free. You can also check out their ingredients.

Good luck with your search.

Thanks Zahzoo....I'm there !

 

[Ksubaihi]

Thank you all. My prayers are with you. Salam.

 

[Sed Contra]

What's the difference between medical reasons and health reasons?

Would Allah prefer that you vape alcohol in an infinitesimally small amount with no chance of intoxication or that you risk smoking?

Theologically, does it matter if it's defined as "medical" if it's a healthier alternative? Obviously, if you can avoid alcohol, avoid it, but what do you think Allah would prefer under the circumstances? It's an interesting theological issue...does vaping eliquid with alcohol violate the spirit of the Law? It's not like pork being a matter of cleanliness - alcohol can be good or bad.

 

[Razzlematt]

Razzlematt. Thats really interesting. You know, when contacting ejuice suppliers, I dont mention anything about religious restrictions, i actually inform them that for medical reasons, I cannot consume even the slightest bit of Alcohol. I figure if the suppliers see a possible legal consequence of them lying, they'll be honest. But anyways, because of religious limitations, i just cant take the risk. In the risk of sounding too extreme, My attitude is, when i meet God, I'll tell him that I did the best i could with no compromises.

Whilst taking Antabuse, even the slightest hint of alcohol residual will cause me much harm (trust me, I've experimented).

Leaving the juice bottle open to air for a few days does away with those concerns. I think your God would believe this.

 

[Mada]

Hi Ksubaihi,
Here is my feedback :
1. As far as i understand , if you leave the bottle open for 24 hours, the alcohol will just vaporize.
2. I have been vaping like a beast and never had any feeling of "alcohol" !!Nothing !!
3. I am not 'emam' , but alcohol is forbidden in "khamra" (as per quran). And mainly because you could get drunk and not behave properly !!there is no way on earth you will get drunk from vaping !!!
4. If you insist, i have the perfect solution for you !! order PG and VG (with nicotine base) from myfreedomsmokers and make your own unflavored e liquid. It taste GREAT, like Marlboro light.... you have no excuse !!
5. Then you can look around for flavors without alcohol IF you want.

 

[Sed Contra]

Yeah...unflavored nic bypasses the whole issue of alcohol, altogether.

 

[3mg Meniere]

Yeah...unflavored nic bypasses the whole issue of alcohol, altogether.

I like eggs and beans.

 

[Ksubaihi]

What's the difference between medical reasons and health reasons?

Would Allah prefer that you vape alcohol in an infinitesimally small amount with no chance of intoxication or that you risk smoking?

Theologically, does it matter if it's defined as "medical" if it's a healthier alternative? Obviously, if you can avoid alcohol, avoid it, but what do you think Allah would prefer under the circumstances? It's an interesting theological issue...does vaping eliquid with alcohol violate the spirit of the Law? It's not like pork being a matter of cleanliness - alcohol can be good or bad.

I really hoped that I wouldn't get in to a theological debate, so i'll do all i can to keep the discussion about my choices.

And sorry for the late reply Sed.

Islam is very flexible when it comes to 'no choice' situations, especially when health is at stake. But this only applies if there is no choice but to,which isnt my case here. The fact of the matter is that I have alternatives . My choices here are based on the question: Can I continue vaping the few eliquid selections i have now, for good, to please my God? My answer to that is yes obviously. But that doesnt mean I cant investigate and research to find more options, which is what I'm doing now, within the limitations of the rules of my faith of course.
Lets use the topic of pork to clarify here. Muslims don't necessarily avoid eating pork because of its cleanliness (or lack of) but rather because it is simply an order that has been set by Allah. HOWEVER, In the case of eating pork, assume a scenario where inorder for me to survive, i would need to eat pork as i have no other options. This is permitted obviously because survival is a more important order from Allah.
So what it comes down to is, How am i not going to survive, if i have but 2 sources of Islamic-friendly e-liquids (Now 3 with DIY) ?

 

[Ksubaihi]

Hi Ksubaihi,
Here is my feedback :
1. As far as i understand , if you leave the bottle open for 24 hours, the alcohol will just vaporize.
2. I have been vaping like a beast and never had any feeling of "alcohol" !!Nothing !!
3. I am not 'emam' , but alcohol is forbidden in "khamra" (as per quran). And mainly because you could get drunk and not behave properly !!there is no way on earth you will get drunk from vaping !!!
4. If you insist, i have the perfect solution for you !! order PG and VG (with nicotine base) from myfreedomsmokers and make your own unflavored e liquid. It taste GREAT, like Marlboro light.... you have no excuse !!
5. Then you can look around for flavors without alcohol IF you want.

Salam Mada,

Wallah thank you for participating. I need all the help i can get with this dilemma . But I'll just give a response to some of the things you mentioned ,if thats ok.

1. There is no way that you or i can guarantee that all the alcohol will evaporate if you leave the bottle open (steeping).
2. There is no way , unless you are sensitive to alcohol, that a person can feel anything if there are very small traces of alcohol in the liquid.
3. Alcohol is mainly forbidden in Islam because Allah has ordered it, regardless if it makes you drunk or not. The Prophet Muhammad instructed his followers, to avoid any intoxicating substances -- (paraphrased) "if it intoxicates in a large amount, it is forbidden even in a small amount." For this reason, most observant Muslims avoid alcohol in any form, even small amounts that are sometimes used in cooking.
4. & 5. That is a fantastic idea ! And i am very grateful for your advise. God protect you.

 

[Sed Contra]

I'm not interested in a theological debate, either, but the issue is, at least in part, theological...so if the issue is truly about pleasing God and not mere legalism, then it seems appropriate to consider it as such. This is a matter of respect on my part to consider your prophet, Muhammad (may peace be upon him), and not simply the restrictions without any context.

Thank you for engaging. I understand Islam well enough that nothing that you've said so far is new to me, though I appreciate your explanation.

It sounds like you have a number of viable options at this point and you should be able to find a good solution.

Peace

 

[Ksubaihi]

I'm not interested in a theological debate, either, but the issue is, at least in part, theological...so if the issue is truly about pleasing God and not mere legalism, then it seems appropriate to consider it as such. This is a matter of respect on my part to consider your prophet, Muhammad (may peace be upon him), and not simply the restrictions without any context.

Thank you for engaging. I understand Islam well enough that nothing that you've said so far is new to me, though I appreciate your explanation.

It sounds like you have a number of viable options at this point and you should be able to find a good solution.

Peace

Sed, I am very grateful for your comments. It is obvious that you are very knowledgeable in Islam and the points and questions you have raised, im sure, will give necessary food for thought for the muslim readers in this forum.

If i can just make one more thing a little clearer about your quoted post here, the question of legalism is actually exactly what I was trying to raise here ; That it is my true belief that vaping alcoholic based e-liquid is infact not permitted for muslims. Pleasing Allah , inshallah, will be accomplished as a result of accepting this and acting upon it.

Just wanted to clarify. Thank you.

 

[cbrite]

A friend of mine (ECF friend) has a website that you might want to check out. I asked him about the alcohol and this is what he had to say: "my tobaccos contain no alcohol.I extract them with PG only and then mix them with only PG/VG/Nic." His site is EtherVapes

 

[bacc.vap]

I don't know how far you want to take the no alcohol thing, but thought you might want to know that PG(Propelyne Glycol) itself, is a form of alcohol. Propylene glycol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The same goes for VG(Vegetable Glycerin(Glycerol) Glycerol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Dougiestyle]

Took the words right out of my mouth. ^^^

 

[Sed Contra]

I'm not interested in a theological debate, either, but the issue is, at least in part, theological...so if the issue is truly about pleasing God and not mere legalism, then it seems appropriate to consider it as such. This is a matter of respect on my part to consider your prophet, Muhammad (may peace be upon him), and not simply the restrictions without any context.

Thank you for engaging. I understand Islam well enough that nothing that you've said so far is new to me, though I appreciate your explanation.

It sounds like you have a number of viable options at this point and you should be able to find a good solution.

Peace

Sed, I am very grateful for your comments. It is obvious that you are very knowledgeable in Islam and the points and questions you have raised, im sure, will give necessary food for thought for the muslim readers in this forum.

If i can just make one more thing a little clearer about your quoted post here, the question of legalism is actually exactly what I was trying to raise here ; That it is my true belief that vaping alcoholic based e-liquid is infact not permitted for muslims. Pleasing Allah , inshallah, will be accomplished as a result of accepting this and acting upon it.

Just wanted to clarify. Thank you.

Good point. Some reduce the law (in any number of contexts) to "mere" legalism; I am glad that you seem to have no such confusion. I have little tolerance for those who adhere to the letter of the law (whatever it may be) as a matter of what I'm calling mere legalism, while I have a profound appreciation for those who embody the spirit of the law. Many, I'm sure give without the spirit of Zakat ( زكاة) ...not giving for the sake of God, but for any other reason.

May peace and mercy and the blessings of Almighty God be upon you...

 

[Sed Contra]

By the way, the majority of Muslims that I've known have seemed less concerned with God than the rules...I'm glad to have met you!

 

[Robdob]

Ksubaihi, I have had a bit of an education here. I was unfamiliar with the strictness of this law. I have great respect for your adherence. I hope you are able to find what you need so you can stay off the analogs. That is the whole reason most of us are here. Welcome to ECF.