Help a noobie trying to get a APV?

[ZongtokerEh]

First I want to say hello to everyone!! Sorry for the long post, I will put a "SKIP TO" You can scroll down to, for those who want to get straight to the point.

I have been reading posts in this forum (among others) for some time. I decided to sign up here, as it appeared the most, and had the most helpful knowledge and information. Thanks to all who have taken their time to share.

A run down of were im coming from and what im looking for.

Ive was smoking every day for about 5ish years. About 3 and a half weeks ago I simply looked at my cigarette pack and saw the picture. It reminded me of my grandma who died of cancer and i questioned my idiocy in slowly killing myself. I simply took my virtually full pack and gave it to a friend. Since then Ive had zero cravings or urges. Even when in a room with a friend having a smoke. Ive always known I wasnt addicted (despite everyone saying "sure....") and only smoked for the sensation and enjoyment, but it was nice to have validation. Despite not having cravings, I do very much miss the sensation of smoking. Ive since discovered the magical world of personal vaporizers, e-cigs, e-hookahs, mech mods etc..

After some extensive research I have come to the conclusion the an APV was made for me. The ability to smoke (well vape) and enjoy the throat hit, and lung sensation, without the ....ing crap they put in smokes, aswell as the option of 0 nicotine. After all my research I have decided to get both a vv / vw and a mech mod. Starting with the vv / vw for simplicity, ease of use, and ability to have long sessions and instant control. I have decided that the SVD starter kit will probably be my first purchase. (assuming the info im given here lines up).



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-0mg nicotine will be used.
-Would prefer pure VG, but willing to use pure PG or create my own mixture of the two.
-I dont care much about flavor. Its more the sensation of smoke being inhaled down my throat and in my lungs.

My questions are :

1. With an Innokin SVD, how close to the real deal can I expect in feeling? If I close my eyes would the sensation be fairly close to a real smoke? Or more like the cheap $15 rechargeable e-cig I got simply for the experience knowing it was going to be crap.
(SVD can adjust from 3.3v-6v, 3-15watts, 2.4ohm resistance and any 18 series battery. Ontop of 2 dual coil atiis, it also comes with 3 build able coils I can create to my liking later down the road, and i am also willing to buy other coils for better sensation).

2. Im aware that mech mods usually create more vapor and flavor, but do they create more smoke sensation aswell?
My disposable e-hookah created noticeably more vapor and flavor then my e-cig, but my e-cig has more sensation.

3. My understanding is that the higher the volt and watt, the more vapor and smoke like sensation?
But simultaneously the lower ohm (mech mods able to go lowest) create even more vapor? What about smoke like sensation?

4. Would the closest thing to the real deal, be a 6 volt sub ohm mech mod? How far away would the SVD cranked at max with
the right coils fair? (I can use duals and large batteries)


I thank you all in advance for your time and help. Im literally oozing with anticipation in joining the revolution of vaping!




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[happydave]

my advice.
get your self and joyetech eGo twist 1000 MAH charging cables for the twist are sold separately.
and a Protank mini 2 or 3
a couple of 5 packs of replacement coils

this will provide you with a rugged easily transportable rig that will allow you to try out vaping, with out spending a lot money.
this is the setup i use when i travel around town. lugging around a heavy APV is something i do not enjoy at all.

 

[Katya]

After all my research I have decided to get both a vv / vw and a mech mod. Starting with the vv / vw for simplicity, ease of use, and ability to have long sessions and instant control. I have decided that the SVD starter kit will probably be my first purchase. (assuming the info im given here lines up).

Hi Zong and welcome. Yes, by all means, please start with a safe regulated vv/vw device. Since you asked, I'll speak freely--I wouldn't start with the SVD--I've seen all kinds of complaints. My advice would be to start with a iTaste MVP 2. Sweet, simple, 2600 mAh battery, great little APV. Ideal for the beginning vapers--and you don't have to buy extra batteries and and a charger. You can find one for about $40--if you know where to look.

-0mg nicotine will be used.
-Would prefer pure VG, but willing to use pure PG or create my own mixture of the two.
-I dont care much about flavor. Its more the sensation of smoke being inhaled down my throat and in my lungs.

My questions are :

1. With an Innokin SVD, how close to the real deal can I expect in feeling? If I close my eyes would the sensation be fairly close to a real smoke? Or more like the cheap $15 rechargeable e-cig I got simply for the experience knowing it was going to be crap.
(SVD can adjust from 3.3v-6v, 3-15watts, 2.4ohm resistance and any 18 series battery. Ontop of 2 dual coil atiis, it also comes with 3 build able coils I can create to my liking later down the road, and i am also willing to buy other coils for better sensation).

I recommend an MVP 2 and if you're looking for a lot of vapor, get a dual-coil topper like Kanger Aero or Aspire Nautilus. No, it won't feel like a gas station disposable.

2. Im aware that mech mods usually create more vapor and flavor, but do they create more smoke sensation aswell?

No idea--don't use them.
My disposable e-hookah created noticeably more vapor and flavor then my e-cig, but my e-cig has more sensation.

3. My understanding is that the higher the volt and watt, the more vapor and smoke like sensation?
But simultaneously the lower ohm (mech mods able to go lowest) create even more vapor? What about smoke like sensation?

Wattage = voltage squared divided by resistance. The more wattage (power, heat) the more vapor. It's nothing like smoking though. It's vaping. It's a different animal.

4. Would the closest thing to the real deal, be a 6 volt sub ohm mech mod? How far away would the SVD cranked at max with
the right coils fair? (I can use duals and large batteries)

See above.

It's all trial and error. Try different toppers, different eliquids--experiment. What works for me may not work for you. But whatever you do, do not start with mechanicals, sub-ohming and cloud chasing. Start with a good setup--good battery and good heads--you may discover that that's all you need.

Good luck!

 

[Katya]

Sorry, the forum is having hiccups again.

 

[ZongtokerEh]

Thanks for the input guys Im not really concerned about on the go use just yet, or size, as i plan on owning more then 1 vape. I figured it was important to have the broadest span of volts and watt, and attachment options for the ability to try the largest variety out. From there the plan was to keep svd as home use and buy a more on the go vape based on what i preferred. While still allowing me maximum variety while at home. The mvp looks great! Its actually one I was thinking about for future more portable use. I can charge my phone and ipod!! Genius! The main ones i had previously narrowed it down to for 1st purchase were:

svd
vamo 5
lambo 4.0
zmax 5

I mainly chose svd due to simplicity, but they are all basically the same. Would you more so recommend one of those over the svd? Although the mvp is a bit cheaper, I am able to get any of those for only about $20ish more. Im still not set on anything really. But I know myself well enough to know that i would thoroughly enjoy a good APV . I really enjoy smoking shisha out of a hookah despite lack of any throat/lung hit. Ive also tried a few friends cheaper APVs, and despite not being quite were I wanted, I would still be happy with them. So im good with spending more to get more.

 

[chimsweep]

As I was reading your post and got to the part about..closing your eyes and imagining a real smoke...I tried it..though real smoke is not what I try to mimic after a year, but I hit my SVD and watched the plume of vapor envelope around my head....yes it's like smoking on steroids...so much better tasting, better for you, just better. I am super impressed with the SVD and looking to getting the MVP2. Innokin fan here, reliable, fun, and relatively inexpensive. On a side note, I have had 3 Vamo's, the SVD is much better for the same price.

 

[GeorgeWachsmuth]

I agree with Katya, get an Itaste MVP 2. Yeah, its a box but don't let that scare you away. Its very comfortable in the hand, its adjustable, no extra batteries needed, it can charge a phone in a pinch, you can get wraps to personalize it and it's pretty inexpensive. Check Youtube for some of the reviews on it.

 

[dice57]

First I want to say hello to everyone!! Sorry for the long post, I will put a "SKIP TO" You can scroll down to, for those who ****SKIP TO****

*Notes

-0mg nicotine will be used.
-Would prefer pure VG, but willing to use pure PG or create my own mixture of the two.
-I dont care much about flavor. Its more the sensation of smoke being inhaled down my throat and in my lungs.

The higher the VG the thicker the juice, and the more critical the wicking. I mix 70-80% VG. Like the smoother flavor and provides decent vape. But that's just my preference. Think the most frustrating part of starting vape is to find ones favorite blends and ratios in their juice.

My questions are :

1. With an Innokin SVD, how close to the real deal can I expect in feeling? If I close my eyes would the sensation be fairly close to a real smoke? Or more like the cheap $15 rechargeable e-cig I got simply for the experience knowing it was going to be crap.
(SVD can adjust from 3.3v-6v, 3-15watts, 2.4ohm resistance and any 18 series battery. Ontop of 2 dual coil atiis, it also comes with 3 build able coils I can create to my liking later down the road, and i am also willing to buy other coils for better sensation).

An svd will get ya 15 watts max I believe. That's a good place to start and it will take time to build well enough to max it out. The main thing to get best vape possible is the atomizer. A decent re-buildable atomizer, rba, is where I found more satisfaction from vape that smoking could never provide.

2. Im aware that mech mods usually create more vapor and flavor, but do they create more smoke sensation aswell?
My disposable e-hookah created noticeably more vapor and flavor then my e-cig, but my e-cig has more sensation.

Mech mods is one way, since the lower the ohms the higher watts burned. Provided one can build and know their stuff. Also with the high amp regulated mods such as the DNA30, SuperMax, and that 100 watt capable, one can now enter the high watt regulated vape. Still one must be able to build as well as a mech user, but less attention needs to be concerned about the exact ohms of the build and focus more on the optimum build for the rba, and vape it at what ever watts they desire.

3. My understanding is that the higher the volt and watt, the more vapor and smoke like sensation?
But simultaneously the lower ohm (mech mods able to go lowest) create even more vapor? What about smoke like sensation?

The higher the watts produced at the coil the more energy is released and the more juice is vaporized. But one must be able to build and wick it properly and provide adequate air. One can't just throw a PT on and dial it up, it is a skill one acquires in their vape journey. But you have to start somewhere, and a 15 watt capable regulated device is a good place to start.

4. Would the closest thing to the real deal, be a 6 volt sub ohm mech mod? How far away would the SVD cranked at max with
the right coils fair? (I can use duals and large batteries)

With a decent rba, and once one becomes competent at their builds and has the juice dialed in, you would never think of vape as anything but the real deal. Vape is not smoke. Vape can provide all the pleasure and sensation that the best smoke could provide, but smoke could never replace the satisfaction I get from my vape. Smokes pales in comparison, and then there's the health issues.

 

[GPC2012]

The SVD is a good APV, I have one my wife uses a Vamo V3. Both are good, not to difficult to operate and well built. When it comes to vapor everything is so personal. I prefer a VG/PG mix that is very high in VG as it produces more visible vapor. My wife on the other hand prefers the bigger throat hit that PG provides. We are still experimenting with brands and flavors. With me I like to be creative, with my flavors, most of my ejuice is from MT Baker build your own. We are finding that my wife likes simple flavors with tobacco flavor in them. I can give her almost anything with 555 tobacco added to it and she is happy. It's all subjective to what you want or feel like that very moment. We have both Aspire BDC tanks and Hyper tanks. that we use predominantly.

I haven't gotten into the RBA/RDA and mech mods, too much arthritis in my hands to wind coils or the fine dexterity it takes.

 

[tmrr]

I had to think about the real deal sensation thing for a minute. It's been a year and when I think about it now vaping is my "real deal." I like it 100% better than smoking cigarettes, weird huh? I have 4 APVs (evic, mvp2, vtr & itaste vv vw) and enjoy them all. I think the 2 of mine I'd pick to respond to this thread would be MVP2 + Nautilus and Itaste VV VW + Iclear16.

Best taste & cloud, MVP2 and the Nautilus definitely contributes to this. I would choose a liquid like Vapetrik Dorky Stud or Good Life English Bulldog. The liquid you choose would seem to play a big part in how real deal this will seem. I would definitely have some PG in the liquid, throat hit (which is less with VG) seems very real deal to me.
The vv vw iclear 16 is going to seem like a very odd recommendation, here's why I mention it. If part of real deal involves the feel in your hand of a cig that's not going to come from a box or larger tube mod. The vv vw is very lightweight. The iclear16 gives hot vapor, which I have not found in any other tank. Think of real deal cig inhale temperature.