Help! Can't get Genesis Atomizer to Work

[bce22]

Good Morning Guys/Gals,

Before I get started I wanted to say it is a privilege to be part of this community. I have been a lurker since 2011 and I finally decided to join. Thanks everyone for being as great as you are.

Anyway, I have a relatively new Jemit Assets V3 Genesis Hybrid Mech Mod and I am having a heck of a time setting it up. This was the first genesis atomizer that I have owned. Last week I received a Kraken and since the first build it has been perfect so I know that I can do this.

I have tried rebuilding the Jemit about 20 times and none work right. I really think it is a wicking issue, but of course since I have little experience I may be wrong.

I have tried both normal and micro coils with SS Mesh (both #200 and #400). I have tried dual and single wicks.

My process is:

1. Roll my wick. (I have tried rolling solid and non-solid wicks)
2. Oxidize wick (I have tried oxidizing only the top and the whole wick)
3. Insert wick into wick hole (I roll it so that it slides through the hole without getting caught).
4. Wrap coil (3/4 coils)
5. Check Resistance with DMM (single coil about 1.3)
6. pulse coil so they glow evenly (inside to outside).
7. Fill with juice.
8. Cry

Problem is after filling with juice the coils will still glow red. Sometimes only the top, sometimes top and bottom. Sometimes faster they glow, sometimes after two seconds. Bottom line is they always glow at some point and burn my juice.

I have ordered some ss rope wick to try that next.

What can I do? After tens of hours with this I am ready to bury it under all the snow in my yard.

Any suggestions?

 

[Steam Turbine]

The pleasures of Stainless steel mesh! I used to love gennys... Cant stand them any more.

Yep, wicking issue. Make sure to tilt your device often so the wick gets fully saturated....

You could always try to do a microcoil cotton build.

 

[bce22]

Thanks Steam!

Tilting it hasn't really helped make it work. Even horizontal it doesn't wick fast enough. Any other suggestions?

 

[bce22]

Oh, I tried turning it into a hybrid cotton dripper but it burned my cotton. I think the wickholes were too small for bottom-dripping. Specs say 2.5mm but they "seem" even smaller than that.

I will try to build a normal vertical Micro-coil with cotton as a wick into the tank but I would love to figure out how to get mesh to work in this thing.

 

[joaquingt]

you need to remove the hotleg om the positive post, play with your coil tinkering it with a needle while glowing red, until all the coils glows at once, if one of the coils is brighter, repeat the tinkering untill all of them glow at the same level, also for your mesh make sure you are rolling it in the right way so the fibers are vertically on your coil


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[bce22]

Well, I tried the cotton I didn't like how it came out. I tried another 3/4 wrap coil with 28g kanthal and it BURNs baby Burns! No hot legs before filling the tank with juice. I worked it out with pulsing for a minute or two but now nothing but orange glow on the legs after a second and a half of burn time with juice in the tank. It's like it can't wick the juice up to the coil nearly fast enough.

I quit this thing until my ss rope comes in an a day or so.

I am so frustrated with it

 

[joaquingt]

ohh also try this, leave some space betweeb your wick and wickhole and set your wick with some inclination and tilt


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[MoralFibre]

Try some SS *wire* - wicks better than rolled mesh, and it's cheap, and you just need a little bit of mesh (not so cheap) for the coil wrap area at the top only.

Works well for me - no more "tilt to beyond the three O'clock" position" needed.

 

[MoralFibre]

Here's a pic, if it helps...

 

[evan le'garde]

When i first started using a genny i'd just use a cigarette lighter to oxidize. The flavour was exactly like i was expecting. In time i got a blow torch and the taste changed. Don't know why but using the torch made my juice taste metallic. I thought i was burning my juice at first so i'd change the whole lot, coil and wick. Obviously made no difference. After a couple of tankfulls though that metallic taste kind of fades away. I build a 2.6 ohm coil with six loops and vape at 10 watts. It tastes the same at 10 watts as it does with 7, just with less vapour. Can't seem to be able to burn my juice no matter what i do.

 

[4tran4]

Judging by your pics, I'd get those coils a little closer together, you can also make tiny bends where the wire leaves the wick. even sized legs are pretty important imho. As stated above the wick should have some play in the hole as well. My (working) technique is burn (lightly), roll, burn (lightly), burn (lightly),install. I never quench as a metallurgist told me this simply knocks off all your oxidation. anneal your wire (cherry red, a few times) as well. wrap your coil firmly but not tight (light touch).

Not familiar with that atty but you might also try running with the fill screw out. I also pulse a .....y coil for the first few days while vaping...

[a few more observations]

Make that top leg go straight into the pinch like the bottom, it will make the top coil slightly looser and less problem prone (counterclockwise around post). "O"=screw

_O) <--- bueno

/O) <--- no bueno

I use 500 mesh with no hole, or I crimp the hole over. Pulse the hell out (careful not to burn through the mesh!) of it before vaping, should light from the middle out. Hope I helped, vape on!

 

[jboostc]

OP. have you considered an auto dripper build with just cotton wick?
most the guys i know that run genesis style atty's tend to go with that build rather than ss rope or mesh
also if youve built a kraken why arent you vaping from that? lol would much rather use the kraken

 

[davis0710]

After you torch the mesh a few times, are you putting liquid on it and burning it off about 3 times? Also after you have your coil wrapped around your mesh are you putting some juice on there and pulsing the fire button? Also sounds like you have some hot spots on your coil you need to work out. Hope this helps.

 

[bce22]

OP. have you considered an auto dripper build with just cotton wick?
most the guys i know that run genesis style atty's tend to go with that build rather than ss rope or mesh
also if youve built a kraken why arent you vaping from that? lol would much rather use the kraken

I tried setting it up as an autodripper. It didn't work well at all. I think the 2mm wick holes are too small. Every time I wanted to vape I had to remove the top cap and hold the device upside down to make sure the cotton wick under the micro-coil was saturated. I think if my wick holes were 2.5mm it might work.

Thanks for the advice none-the-less.

Judging by your pics, I'd get those coils a little closer together, you can also make tiny bends where the wire leaves the wick. even sized legs are pretty important imho. As stated above the wick should have some play in the hole as well. My (working) technique is burn (lightly), roll, burn (lightly), burn (lightly),install. I never quench as a metallurgist told me this simply knocks off all your oxidation. anneal your wire (cherry red, a few times) as well. wrap your coil firmly but not tight (light touch).

Not familiar with that atty but you might also try running with the fill screw out. I also pulse a .....y coil for the first few days while vaping...

I will try to set the coil legs closer together on my next build. I have never quenched my coil or wick. I use a creme brulee' torch and it seems to work wonderful. I usually have been oxidizing the wick twice or so getting it nice red. For the coil I have been pulsing it to take out hotspots then once they glow evenly I have been giving it a few three second burns.

I don't know how tight the coils should be. On some of my attempts you could remove the wick from the coil without much force, on others it was wrapped tight enough that I couldn't remove the wick without deforming it. Neither worked well.

ohh also try this, leave some space betweeb your wick and wickhole and set your wick with some inclination and tilt

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I have been rolling my wick so it has it falls through the wick hole without touching the sides. I try to position it in the center without touching the sides of the wickhole but with a standard 3/4 coil this is easier said than done. When I tried a micro-coil /ss mesh build it was easy to make sure that it was in the center and not touching the sides. Unfortunately the micro-coil build with mesh didn't work very well.

Thanks for the advice!

Try some SS *wire* - wicks better than rolled mesh, and it's cheap, and you just need a little bit of mesh (not so cheap) for the coil wrap area at the top only.

Works well for me - no more "tilt to beyond the three O'clock" position" needed.

I ordered some SS Rope Wick (7 bundles of 19 threads) in 1/16 and 5/64 sizes to try. I think 5/64 is going to be too wide for this atty so I think the 1/16 will be the one to try.

Thanks for the advice!

When i first started using a genny i'd just use a cigarette lighter to oxidize. The flavour was exactly like i was expecting. In time i got a blow torch and the taste changed. Don't know why but using the torch made my juice taste metallic. I thought i was burning my juice at first so i'd change the whole lot, coil and wick. Obviously made no difference. After a couple of tankfulls though that metallic taste kind of fades away. I build a 2.6 ohm coil with six loops and vape at 10 watts. It tastes the same at 10 watts as it does with 7, just with less vapour. Can't seem to be able to burn my juice no matter what i do.

Thanks for the advice. I have cigarette lights and my creme brulee torch. I haven't tried making a higher resistance standard coil. I have been wrapping 3/4 coils with both 28g and 30g kanthal. The 30g is easier to work with for these standard coils I am finding as it is easier to bend around the mesh wick. I might try wrapping a 4/5 coil to see what it is like.

Thanks again.

I will try the mesh build again. Starting with a 4/5 30g wrap. Should I be using a solid (ie more material) wick or one with a hole in the middle (ie. less material)?

Thanks,

Brad

 

[bce22]

After you torch the mesh a few times, are you putting liquid on it and burning it off about 3 times? Also after you have your coil wrapped around your mesh are you putting some juice on there and pulsing the fire button? Also sounds like you have some hot spots on your coil you need to work out. Hope this helps.

Just saw your post. I haven't been putting liquid on the wick and burning it off. I didn't know that you were supposed to do that. I also have not put juice on the coil/wick after getting the hot spots out when it is dry. I have been filling up the tank as soon as I work out the hotspots when it is dry and crossing my fingers it will work this time by luck.

Of course it doesn't as I haven't really changed much at all.

I will try to burn my next coil with juice under the torch 3x and then after working out the hot spots I will burn it with a little ejuice on the coil and see where we end up.

Thanks for the advice!

 

[MoralFibre]

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I ordered some SS Rope Wick (7 bundles of 19 threads) in 1/16 and 5/64 sizes to try. I think 5/64 is going to be too wide for this atty so I think the 1/16 will be the one to try.

Thanks for the advice!

Brad

Yep, that's the stuff (IIRC! ) - 7 by 19. Can't recall what size I have either 2 or 3mm (dunno what that is in imperial! ). But I think you'll definately notice the far greater wicking ability of the wire, and *like* it!
Cheers, Duncan.

 

[MoralFibre]

Just saw your post. I haven't been putting liquid on the wick and burning it off. I didn't know that you were supposed to do that.
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What that does is create a carbon layer on the mesh, and therefore makes the coil much less likely to short on the mesh.

 

[4tran4]

On my builds the wick usually slides through the coils with a little resistance, I wind not to tight, not too loose, tension is a light EVEN contact, if you are loose on one coil you'll have unhappiness, I inspect with a jewelers loupe after winding. Sometimes you will find a tiny point of no contact causing trouble, or even too much contact. If your tank allows, you can tweak your tension by turning the wick: against the fold will tighten, with the fold will loosen.

The hollow/solid wick is an ongoing debate, do what you like both can work. , I prefer as much mesh as I can fit, and I always crimp any holes over as juice will fire out of that hole with great vengeance

 

[4tran4]

Oh yeah, I do that "burn-off" 2 or more times as well, use a thick sludgy juice. I use chocolate cappuccino.

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Also fill half way, and dry burn when you get a major short for the first few tanks.

 

[davis0710]

No problem OP. Next time you do it, dry burn the mesh till it glows 3 or 4 times. Then roll your mesh up till you can fit in the tank (not to tight and not too lose). After you have it rolled up good burn it about 3 more times. After that saturate it in juice and light it. Let the fire go out on its own. Repeat 2 more times. After you have in the tank and have it could, check for hot spots. After your coil is glowing evenly, put some more juice on your coil and mesh and pulse fire it a few times and put some more juice on and do it again. Fill your tank and Vape On!