HELP!! Experienced diyers only

[Mattpelt30]

I'm about to order some supplies to try my hand at DIY juice. Upon looking at liquid nic from different vendors they come in either vg or pg based nicotine. This may be a dumb question, but if I want a 50/50 mix would I factor the liquid nicotine base as my pg 50% when inputting in the calculator, or would that only be nic strength and then add seperate pg when adding vg into the calculator? If the nicotine is pg based I guess I wouldn't add as much pg to get a true 50/50 mix?


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[Wingsfan0310]

If your Nic is in PG, then the amount you need to add counts towards your PG.

Example: I use 100mg/ml Nic in VG. So if I'm making 10ml of 15mg/ml Nic ejuice. I would add 1.5ml of my VG NIC. That 1.5ml would count towards my VG. If I was shooting for a 50/50 mix, I would add 3.5ml more of plain VG to get 5ml total of VG (50% of 10ml).

Cheers,
Steve

Edit I use the E-juice Me Up juice calculator. You can download it free here:
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[albcig]

yes the nic liquid influences the final output. but a true 100% equal 50/50 pg/vg its not needed imo. your liquid will have a slightly higher pg ratio. so what? btw i use this calculator. is very simple

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[glasseye]

Even the flavorings can affect the final ratio. I don't bother with that, don't really care much. The calculator I use allows me to change the flavor carriers to PG or VG but not alcohol. Just throwing it out there but if you use 20% PG based flavoring, for example, it'll throw it off if you want true 50/50 and don't account for it.

 

[Mattpelt30]

If your Nic is in PG, then the amount you need to add counts towards your PG.

Example: I use 100mg/ml Nic in VG. So if I'm making 10ml of 15mg/ml Nic ejuice. I would add 1.5ml of my VG NIC. That 1.5ml would count towards my VG. If I was shooting for a 50/50 mix, I would add 3.5ml more of plain VG to get 5ml total of VG (50% of 10ml).

Cheers,
Steve

Edit I use the E-Juice Me Up juice calculator. You can download it free here:
eJuice Me Up - Best eJuice Calculator

Where do you get your supplies, and what do you think I should get to start out with, I like pg/vg mix so could I get base nic vg, then just get pg seperate and get my flavors. That's all I need right? Other than your tips you gave me the other day on sweeteners


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[Wingsfan0310]

I get my supplies from Wizard Labs. I'm not sure what strength you want your Nic ejuice to be. Lets say you want it to be 18mg/ml strength and a 50/50 mix. I would get 36mg/ml Nic in VG. You would use 50% in your mix resulting in a 18mg/ml juice. The other half would be PG + flavors (most flavors are in PG). Hope that helps!

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Mattpelt30]

I get my supplies from Wizard Labs. I'm not sure what strength you want your Nic ejuice to be. Lets say you want it to be 18mg/ml strength and a 50/50 mix. I would get 36mg/ml Nic in VG. You would use 50% in your mix resulting in a 18mg/ml juice. The other half would be PG + flavors (most flavors are in PG). Hope that helps!

Cheers,
Steve

Just put in my order to wizard labs! Reasonable in their prices as well. Can't wait to give it a shot thanks for the help


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[Wingsfan0310]

Your Welcome and good luck on your DIY Adventure

Cheers,
Steve

 

[albcig]

mixing a 36mg/ml to get a 18mg/ml is not very effective. you need a higher nicotine base. i would suggest the 100mg/ml. you should be cautious working with that of course. but its not as dangerous as you might think. just some 20ml, 10ml, 2ml syringes and some graduated cylinders and beakers is all you need.

 

[dead not sleeping]

Wizard Labs is a good company to deal with. Good customer service, and you need a team of horses and a Scout Troop to get it out of the shipping packaging, but that's a good thing.

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[LoveVanilla]

mixing a 36mg/ml to get a 18mg/ml is not very effective. you need a higher nicotine base. i would suggest the 100mg/ml.

This is not good advice for first-time DIYers without appropriate background, experience, understanding of risks and consideration of their environment.

 

[disco180]

When wanting to make 50/50 blends and using PG based nicotine you have to make sure you have @ least a 36mg or higher Nic base, like Albcig said. I made this mistake early in my DIY days, flavors and nic will raise your minimum PG/VG level above 50/50 I was trying to save money on lower nic mg base diluted in PG @ 28mg. All my mixes were 65/35 and higher because I had to use more NIC(PG) in order to get my nic level to 18...24 would have been out of the question it would always have to be 80/20. the bigger the batch of juice you are making the more flavor and nic you use resulting in more PG.

 

[MasteroftheVape]

I like how a basic diy101 question was posed to "experienced diyers only." Not bustin anyones chops but regardless if your new to DIY or a 3 year vet, everyone can be a valuable contributor.

 

[SoUnique]

Agreed! 36 mg is fine for the first few mixes. After that move up to 60 to make it more cost effective.

This is not good advice for first-time DIYers without appropriate background, experience, understanding of risks and consideration of their environment.

 

[jotook24tovaip]

I'm kinda new to mixing still on my first 250 ml. bottle of nic. (36mg./ml.) Since I aim for 10/12 mg./ml. that's a Lotta juice. What I do is start out with a # of my pg base nic. say 3ml. I then add twice that in pg/vg to suit (for me vg. I like heavy vg.) Which gives me a nic. base of 10/12 after flavors. For larger mixes (rarely) I might add a half a ml. of nic. to make up for flavor. A simple system and with my base prepared it makes flavor math a little easier. A roookies

 

[Mattpelt30]

I like how a basic diy101 question was posed to "experienced diyers only." Not bustin anyones chops but regardless if your new to DIY or a 3 year vet, everyone can be a valuable contributor.

Yea well all can contribute but not all have the knowledge that experienced ppl have. Nicotine is very hazardous, I want to benefit from the knowledge of the trial and error that the experienced diyers have.


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[albcig]

to me 250 ml looked like a lot of liquid in the beginning, but after my first liter of DIY liquid vanished in 3 months i began to be skeptical about it. ofc i gave most of it to my friends or new vapers and so on, but when you have so much you tend to be generous. so... yeah. i started with 36mg/ml to 18mg/ml. but you immediately start to notice that working with higher nicotine levels is not that dangerous and significantly cuts down the price. so start with whatever makes you feel safe. you will go to 100mg/ml in no time and start noticing the benefits.

 

[LoveVanilla]

While there are reasons for high-nic concentrations, cost or safety are not among them. Check the math (data from WL):

48mg Nicotine solution - 500ml = $34.29
100mg Nicotine solution - 250ml = $29.99
Propylene Glycol USP - 250ml = $5.49

500ml of 48mg Nicotine solution:

$34.29

500ml of 100mg Nicotine mixed to 48mg:

$29.99 * 96% + $5.49 * 104% = $34.50

As you can see the 48mg is in fact CHEAPER than 100mg. So let me make this point again:

==> noobs should be using the lowest concentration meeting their needs -- and under 50mg. <==

It is poor advice to steer them towards higher concentrations. And ill-advised. Do you get my drift? Come on; do us all a favor. PM if you want to discuss.

 

[albcig]

While there are reasons for high-nic concentrations, cost or safety are not among them. Check the math (data from WL):

48mg Nicotine solution - 500ml = $34.29
100mg Nicotine solution - 250ml = $29.99
Propylene Glycol USP - 250ml = $5.49

500ml of 48mg Nicotine solution:

$34.29

500ml of 100mg Nicotine mixed to 48mg:

$29.99 * 96% + $5.49 * 104% = $34.50

As you can see the 48mg is in fact CHEAPER than 100mg. So let me make this point again:

==> noobs should be using the lowest concentration meeting their needs -- and under 50mg. <==

It is poor advice to steer them towards higher concentrations. And ill-advised. Do you get my drift? Come on; do us all a favor. PM if you want to discuss.

many things are dangerous to many people if they don't know what they are doing. for example swimming, driving, cooking, etc, are indeed very dangerous things. if you can't trust yourself doing this then don't even try. there are countless shops where you can buy ready made juice and be very happy with it. regardless of things people advise in the end you are the one responsible for what you do.

 

[b-wood]

While there are reasons for high-nic concentrations, cost or safety are not among them. Check the math (data from WL):

48mg Nicotine solution - 500ml = $34.29
100mg Nicotine solution - 250ml = $29.99
Propylene Glycol USP - 250ml = $5.49

500ml of 48mg Nicotine solution:

$34.29

500ml of 100mg Nicotine mixed to 48mg:

$29.99 * 96% + $5.49 * 104% = $34.50

As you can see the 48mg is in fact CHEAPER than 100mg. So let me make this point again:

==> noobs should be using the lowest concentration meeting their needs -- and under 50mg. <==

It is poor advice to steer them towards higher concentrations. And ill-advised. Do you get my drift? Come on; do us all a favor. PM if you want to discuss.[/QUOT

sure its cheaper if you compare 250ml of 100 and 500ml of 48. you would have to compare 500ml to 500 ml. 100 would be cheaper. not saying you should buy 100, just saying it is cheaper.